EasternOHBillsFan

Holy crap, we actually agree... LOL I should write a piece about him and call it "The Tale of Sir Robin" This came out today as well... only legislation will move this Rock of Gibraltar! There is hope yet for PC opposition forces...! http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9375313/roger-goodell-defends-washington-redskins-name

Actually, my point went unnoticed because of the volume of this debate. The person Jim Brown obviously is not like many of the other athletes of his generation, and he has a personality problem. If the guy is a wife beater and is proven to be a jerk because of how he acts long after his playing career was over, then people have a right to call it as they see it. Here is my example HOF list of players who don't have the image problem Jim Brown does: Lenny Moore, Baltimore Colts, b. 1933: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-11-23/sports/bs-sp-catching-up-lenny-moore-20111123_1_joe-paterno-lenny-moore-penn-state Willie Davis, Cleveland Browns/Green Bay Packers, b. 1934: http://www.lasportshall.com/inductees/football/willie-davis/ Jim Parker, Baltimore Colts, b. 1934: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-sp.parker19jul19,0,2116898.story Did they have any less of a past of overt racism as Jim Brown did? Did they suffer any less than Jim Brown did? Probably not... he reacted poorly to the bad things that happened to him, and that's a choice he made, not anyone else.

These men don't have the same attitude or are wife beaters, and have sterling legacies: Lenny Moore, Baltimore Colts, b. 1933. Willie Davis, Cleveland Browns/Green Bay Packers, b. 1934. Jim Parker, Baltimore Colts, b. 1934. Jim Brown has an attitude problem and despite what affected him, he's still acting like he's entitled. Experiences don't justify crime, so why should we justify how Jim Brown acts?

That's how bad it can get, that's for sure... but he may be lucky and have it only partially affect his abilities to speak and to prevent further spread of the cancer.

Nobody??? Really??? Come on, step off of it and realize some of us have seen the effects of this kind of cancer... we may not be experts, but for God's sake, we're not totally oblivious nor harbingers of the words of doom... please.

People are going to be very surprised to see him post surgery... my boss's surgery to try and remove the cancer left his face like Roger Ebert's... he had to use a pad to write down longer speech and carried a towel to wipe his drool. It wasn't enough to save him, and I can only hope this surgery is enough to save Jim Kelly.

My boss died from it a couple of months back... still pisses me off we can't cure this after decades of cash, cash and more cash...

Hopefully the Jim Kelly hate posts will stop today for good... I didn't like him as a person when he played, but he has obviously changed over time and has really been hit with two serious blows. The one thing I think about all of this is how in the hell does a healthy person get cancer? Probably from the toxic dumps that killed my Dad...

GREAT to see!!!!! +1,000,000

That sounds fine by me... I'm glad you can be honest about it unlike others who seek to defend their position by masking opinion as fact. Standing down... LOL

Neither is yours... your righteous indignation doesn't fool me, that's for sure. It is a FACT that at least one Native American is offended by the use of "Redskins", but it is an OPINION to state that a majority are offended by it, and an OPINION that anyone non-Native American who is not involved in polling the whole of the race states it as such.

Eric Moulds did the exact same thing for years, and it cost him a Hall of Fame spot... imagine what he would have been with Kelly 10 years prior... a true shame.

Why are you here again then? To not root for the possibility of an OROY or a DROY is not being a Bills fan, that's for sure.

The Bills haven't had a Rookie of the Year since 1987 with Conlan (DROY) and 1970 with Shaw (OROY)... and yet I don't care because the pre-preseason is always exciting when new blood arrives!

We blew the box up in the draft and free agency, and so your optimism is warranted. However, the concerns over our guard, cornerback and quarterback situation give me pause. The Colts pulled it off, so it is not a pie in the sky idea to think this, although DROY will be a LOT harder than OROY.

C.J. Spiller has an excellent chance to be MVP (or at least with the most total yards as a RB) because we may finally have a coach who understands you don't allow a 5+ YPR running back to be used as a passing gimmick.

It didn't take you long to be The Grinch, did it? You never dissapoint.

When you act like he did in front of the cameras during the draft coverage and fire your agent a couple of days after, it makes it easy.

So, the only alternative for those who disagree is to try and label those who disagree as bigots, stupid, anything to stuff an agenda down peoples' throats. Like I said as you did, what's next? You see, it never ends... when these things are resolved, new issues will crop up into a death spiral for free speech in this country. The line can't continuously be drawn and redrawn- that leaves us up against the wall with nowhere to go. Spin the wheel... who's the next offended group??? Step right up!

Really? If you use the word, you can't automatically claim it is offensive and/or racist. That is called hypocrisy... to say it is not the issue is simply not true- it has a LOT to do with the issue. Either it is accepted, or it is wholly unacceptable... no in betweens.

There is that name calling again... stick to the argument instead of the name calling. Not everyone will be happy and some will be offended by a myriad of things. If we banned everything offensive to everyone, we'd be left with no culture at all. You cannot please EVERYONE,.. why is that so hard to understand???

Eventually the so-called offensive language, names, and other aspects of society will be so filtered and or/removed that any assemblance of free speech in this country will cease to exist. That is tyranny by the minority, and that is why I am so against the Redskins changing their name or it even being an issue. Political correctness has gone so overboard it is ludicrous...

That wasn't a debate... that was an attack that deserved an attacking response... apples and oranges.

As I said, like in PPP, calling people names instead of sticking to the subject. What do you expect when agree to disagree is not enough? I'm above that PPP crap, like I said.