bobobonators

I agree about bringing nothing to the table. How often do we even put players in motion? This offense has 0 creativity. Its a wonder we manage to put up +20pts.

We cant run the ball 40x a game when theres no creativity in running game. Our guards arent good enough to dominate anyone either. This team may be better suited to set up the run by passing a bit more.

The only difference in those two plays u describe is that Brady was hit on the non passing hand which absorbed the brunt of the force before Hughes' arm hit brady's passing hand. Had he made contact with his passing hand first that wouldve been a clear fumble. Watch the replay again to see what im talking about. Sometimes luck is necessary.

We play against the vikings and jets and then go into bye. If we go into bye at 5-3 id be ECSTATIC. But we also cant dismiss this loss. The inability of this team to beat the pats is embarrassingly bad.

In my opinion, after 2 weeks the move to Orton has been CLEARLY the right move. The guy came on off the street and has thrown for basically back to back 300yd games after EJ never threw a single 300yd game in a season and a half. Orton should still improve a bit once he gets more reps with starters.

This thread should be renamed: official NH doesnt know how to call a sweep, screen, or misdirection play. Every run play goes up the middle - our weakest link on offense arguably.

Yeah man, im with you. I have no idea how someone who watched that game comes out saying we were able to run the ball. We pretty much abandoned the run as the game went on. We shouldve abandoned the run earlier IMO. I formation run up the middle is all NH apparently knows how to call for a run

Kyle Orton is the only reason we were even in the game in 4th quarter. EJ and his 150yd passing game wouldve been awesome to watch.

Like others stated: a total team effort in suckiness today. 1. Turnovers 2. Penalties 3. Coaching How many times does NH call a run play right up the middle in a standard run formation? 80% 90% of the time? Orton took a while to get going but once he did he was pretty damn good. As the game went on we went away from the run and started passing it more and it was successful too. We wasted way too many plays in first half just running it into woods butt - as has been the case during most of NH tenure. Its almost as if it takes NH an entire half to get warmed up with his playcalling. The defense was awesome in 1st half and AWEFUL second half. Clearly pats made adjustments at half and improved tempo and passing game was more effective. We never blitzed. Brady sat back there and had a day. Same crap we see every year for last decade plus. Im so sick of it. We didnt play smart today. Duke williams made hotrible penalty in end zone. He couldve had int if he just turned around for the ball. He was horrible all game really. Glenn got beat on a couple of plays and looked average. Spiller had a bonehead fumble which just gave the pats more momentum/points before half. Chandler was best player today. By far. Just a bad loss because with all the GARBAGE play we had we were still only down 1 score late in the 4th quarter. This game couldve been won if our heads were in it and we played smarter.

l m a o.

how many times is spiller lined up in the slot or put in motion?

Lets try this 1st down: run for 4 yds 2nd down: run for 4yds 3rd down: pass incomplete 4th down: punt or 1st down: pass incomplete 2nd down: run for 7yds 3rd down: run for 2yds (4.5 avg in 2 runs) 4th down: punt Your argument isn't empirical b/c i can play the same silly game as there are thousands of variables in a drive. 5.0ypc is 5.0ypc. End of story. It's awesome to be able to consistently gain positive yardage on runs like freddie does - it's also frustrating when you can't have big plays.

Improved quite a bit as in: going from 3.8ypc to 5.2ypc. CJ was only given 107 carries. Do you want him to rack up yards when he's on the sideline too?

Do you have empirical evidence that method is not as effective at producing scores in a game? Or is this just anecdotal? 5.0ypc is 5.0ypc anyway you slice it and dice it.

In all seriousness, I just don't understand the CJ hate. The guy has been a class act (as far as i'm aware) in buffalo. the bills drafted him in first round and then rarely utilized him his first season. Then CJ improves quite a bit his second season and goes BONKERS his 3rd season, and the HC, OC are gone and an entirely new offensive scheme that apparently doesn't know how to call a run play that's not an iformation running in right into Wood's butt.

For as bad as some of you say he is, he still has a career average of 5.0 ypc (higher than Fred's 4.5). There's no reason why CJ can't be targeted in the passing game more than 2x per game.

he's what i imagined the guy in the "fun chat with a lions fan..." looks like. d-bag. This practice is very popular in european soccer matches - hopefully it doesn't start catching on over here. so dumb and potentially dangerous.

lolol. Like their kicker, he probably got released from his job this week and no longer has internet access.

Im not saying anything negative about Fred. Hes a beast. This convo isnt about him. Its strictly about CJ and how his skillset can be bestbutilized to benefit this offense the most. Of course woodhead has also been successful between the tackles to a certain extent as well but thats not the skillset that teams like the chargers and pats coveted about him. How many times do you see woodhead run it up the middle in standard run formations? Its rare. Hes always been lined up all over the field creating mismatches, in addition to being a feature back to run between the tackles - many times on a draw play.

Lol. Im glad you see the humor in the coaching staff's inability to be creative with the talent on the team. CJ spiller went from 3.8ypc in 2010 to 5.2ypc in 2011 to 6.0ypc in 2012 only to go back down to a career low 3.5 this season Hes on pace for about 40 targets in the passing game this season. Less than 3 a game. Its definitely hilarious.

my thoughts exactly.

How many times has CJ ever been used in this fashion? http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2013/10/4/4799140/how-the-san-diego-chargers-utilize-danny-woodhead We'll see.

I guess you missed the part where I said "he doesn't need to be a starting NFL RB". Those two guys that are in the same spot as Spiller but yet still see 2x as many targets in the passing game.

Sproles and Woodhead? My point is that why not implement Spiller more in the passing game with quick slants/screens as opposed to simply running him up the middle? I would forget the RB label and start thinking outside the box. He doesn't need to be a "starting NFL running back," but can still be a weapon on the offense as opposed to a nobody. Woodhead was targeted 86 times in the passing game last year. Sproles 89. Spiller 40.

Comparing CJ to Fred is not fair: Fred simply runs better between the tackles. CJ is better in space. The OC's inability to utilize CJ properly falls squarely on the OC and NOT CJ. Gailey turned CJ into one of the biggest threats in the NFL - that's someone who knows what they have and properly utilize it. Hackett has a Ferrari and is utilizing it like a Dodge Ram. That's on Hackett and it's my single biggest gripe with the guy.