All_Pro_Bills

Tell us what do you know about vaccines that leads you to believe I know nothing about vaccines? And please provide detail. Enlighten us with your wisdom.

This is coming from somebody that got the shots but I don't like the current messaging. The CDC is recommending even vaccinated people should mask up in specific areas where cases are high. But they've been out there pounding the table insisting the vaccines are effective in producing immunity. Immunity means I cannot get sick. And that vaccination is the best and most direct path to returning your life to "normal". So far so good. But the current message is saying I can be vaccinated and still get infected and get sick but the illness will not be as serious than if I wasn't vaccinated. Then the vaccine is by definition NOT a vaccine. A vaccine immunizes me from getting sick, period. It is really a pre-emptive treatment. A treatment lessons the severity and duration of an illness. And we already have some very effective treatments for people in at low risk and other protocols for high risk. So if I can still get sick and have to wear a mask and adhere to other social restrictions what's the benefit of getting vaccinated? I can get sick and seek treatment with a number of MAB's that are highly effective when it happens and I don't have to incur the unknown longer term risks of a genetically altered biologic "vaccine".

I also think Beasley expressed his concerns in a clear and intelligent manner. They sound reasonable.

Viruses mutate. Can we predict the specific mutations? No. I'm not saying that. But as a general rule the become more contagious but less lethal. And there are other variants already out there besides the Delta. And yes scientists don't all agree but the ones that don't agree with the official narrative get silenced, blocked from social media, have their you tube videos taken down, get criticized by media shills. Don't get to speak their peace. Which causes others to not speak out of fear. Which suppresses the process of scientific discovery we all depend on. And the CDC and NIH story keeps changing about the vaccine. First the story is COVID vaccines are safe and effective and provide immunity to the virus. So get your shot, take your mask off, and resume normal life. Now the story is vaccines will not keep you from getting infected but will protect you from serious and critical illness so even vaccinated people need to wear a mask again. The problem is that characterization doesn't meet the standards for classifying the active agent as a vaccine. That description applies to treatments. Equivalent to Tami-flu for influenza. So I guess its not really a vaccine. But we already have safe and effective treatments, approved and awaiting approval, for people that are at low risk of getting a serious and critical case. All without the unknown risks of adverse long term impacts of the mRNA gene therapy "vaccines". MABS from companies like Lily and Regeneron. Others awaiting approval from companies like Humanigen. And we know who is at "high risk" of developing a serious and critical case so we can customize responses and protections for those specific individuals. And there are effective treatments for these cases too, approved and awaiting approval. And we know children under 18 have as close to zero chance of death as can be measured. So we need some sort of policy "time out" or a big reset here. Because they're headed down the blanket lock down and restrictions path again. That didn't stop it before and it won't stop it now. So the choice is the virus is going to spread and you can screw up the economy. Or the virus is going to spread and you do not screw up the economy.

The outbreak is predictable. Its following the same pattern previous viral outbreak have followed. Waves, mutations, everything. I've seen recent proprietary forecast models that suggest the delta outbreak cycle will be much shorter and lower in cases and a lot lower in deaths than previous cycles. And if scientist were actually in charge of this response I might agree with you. And if leadership was following the advice of experts across the scientific community I would agree with you. But they are not. They are accepting the views of those that agree with them and rejecting the views of those that disagree. Supported by science or not. That's not our best. All while sending mixed and confusing directives out to the public.

Of course you added that as all roads lead to Rome. So is the government protecting us right now from the domestic enemies working from inside in the government?

I can meet you in the middle here. You've got the party out of power always feigning concern over spending proposals of the other party. But when they get into the White House those concerns disappear. Visa, versa. They produce these wild projections about how the initiative "will pay for itself" but over time it never does. But I'm still not willing to completely absolve the voters totally of blame. If I ran for office against these free spenders of either party in Congress on a promise to restore fiscally responsible policies, cut spending, balance the budget, and over time bring the national debt down to zero I wouldn't stand a chance. And every special interest and money grubber addicted to government spending would be all over me. Calling me every despicable term and attaching every negative characteristic to me across the political spectrum. Heck, I can envision some big spending leftist saying "remember what happened in Germany when Hitler tried to balance the budget?"

I agree. But you'll experience nominal gains with "hard assets" which I expect worst-case will keep you even with dollar depreciation. To lower dollar exposure in my 401K, which has limited options, I'm allocated funds to Large Cap Euro/Asia funds and indexes and emerging market funds. I think all the citizens allowing themselves to be bribed into voting for politician's that promises them a lot of "free" stuff are complicit. If I ran for any federal office on an agenda of fiscal responsibility I would lose in a landslide. Most Americans are going to experience a very large drop in their standard of living in the near future and in some respects they deserve what they're going to get. Free medical care, free college, free phones, free housing, free food. EV subsidies and tax credits which I never understand that subsidize EV purchases for a couple pulling down over $250K annually. I'm entitled to this, I'm entitled to that. As you and I know nothings free.

And I win big because all this government spending will accelerate an already high and increasing inflation rate as I've structured my investment portfolio over the past 15 months to take advantage of those specific circumstances. And while all the clueless who cheer on expensive debt funded government spending programs, that will absolutely 100% guaranteed need to be monetized by the Federal Reserve, will suffer because the value of the currency and the falling purchasing power of their income will dramatically downgrade their lifestyles I will be in great shape. So thank you for supporting such foolishness. The good news is there is still time for others to do the same but that window is closing.

"The government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are." And there it is, plain and simple. The problem here isn't that uninformed people are hesitant to get vaccinated, or that others are spreading mis-information, or that some political or moral beliefs are getting in the way of ensuring society is "safe" from the virus. The problem is a large percentage of the population has concluded the government and many public officials cannot be trusted to be honest and tell the truth. Even people choosing to get vaccinated share this distrust. The message and messenger lack credibility. They look around at all the hustles and cons being perpetrated on them and see this as just one in that series. The same people that are looking to "force" you to get vaccinated won't enforce the law against shoplifters in San Francisco or stop scumbags on the streets of NYC from beating and robbing 75 year old grandmothers in broad daylight. Obviously corrupt public officials are allowed to continue in the jobs. Political and social protesters that are on the "right" side of issues are allowed to rampage through the streets of cities burning and looting and causing physical harm. They let thousands of un-vaccinated virus carrying refugees into the country and are dispersing them throughout the country and become indignant when anyone questions this contradiction in policy where citizens are subjected to draconian measures while what some view as invaders can roam freely to spread the virus. But these same characters that turn a blind eye to corruption and lawlessness elsewhere are more than happy to send storm troopers around neighborhoods to kick in doors to make sure everybody is wearing their masks watching TV together or that nobody assembles in groups of more than 4 people standing too close together. They work to silence informed and "expert" dissenters but impose unclear and constantly changing and sometimes irrational proclamations they claim "follow the science" but can't even clearly explain or articulate just what that science is saying. And when questioned their answer is "just obey us". They parrot the safe and effective mantra about vaccines but impose public policy that suggests they don't work. They look like liars, and they are liars. If this was ancient Roman they would be crucified and displayed along road sides for the public to see the consequences these corrupt officials faced for their crimes. Why should anyone trust them to tell you the truth about the vaccines when they lie about everything else? Some posters support mandates and cite past mandates such requiring polio vaccines for school children but in that era the government had legitimacy. And the risks and dangers were clearly understood and communicated by trusted medical professionals and public health officials. The vaccine was safe and effective and time has shown that to be true. And while I wasn't around at the time I don't believe Jonas Salk became an overnight billionaire for developing the vaccine. Contrast that to today. Everybody everywhere is in on "the take". Public official, private corporations. And nobody was out there shutting down the entire US economy or suggesting you'll lose your job or livelihood if you refuse to comply. To get this done right we need a new group of public health officials and political leaders. People that can be trusted. And it ain't this current crew that's for sure.

Committed to the myth vaccine hesitancy is concentrated in Trump loving white supremist's and not prevalent among communities of color which distrust, for good reasons, government?

I get some of it and this might not be at the 5 level but of what I do comprehend the potential exists for the active agents in the vaccines to produce a condition that may over-stimulate the immune system in the event of some viral load which produces cytokine storm. This condition causes inflammation in the respiratory system and other organs which can cause them to function poorly and potentially shut down eventually leading to death. One treatment called Lenzulimab that's been submitted to the FDA for EUA showed statistically significant positive results in phase 3 clinical trials in suppressing cytokine storm for hospitalized patients. Its been with the FDA for two months and a decision is expected shortly. I'll defer to any virus experts here on anything I might have missed.

If I recall the Benghazi incident, somebody ordered the rescue mission "to stand down". And we never found out who that was as the administration was less than transparent about the order. And President Obama, the leader of the most transparent administration ever and the father of the modern US surveillance state was okay with keeping that under wraps. A couple likely suspects were Secretary of State or the National Security Advisor. Now will some smart ass Trump obsessed fanboy tell me the comparable for Trump leaving American diplomats and embassy staff to die?

So why would they need a BLA approval to mandate that vs. a EUA? Which was my original question. A BLA is certainty here given 10's of millions of doses have already been distributed and administered. At most the BLA might be returned for additional data such as more information from the clinical trials. But chances of denial on efficacy and safety reasons? Zero.

So what attribute of a BLA approval will provide justification for a mandate? While a BLA approval will put the stamp of market approval on the shot and replace the EUA that limits its use to the duration of the emergency it does nothing to alter or modify the safety and efficacy profile. So you're just saying a procedural change in approval status is the justification? Please explain if you could.

What the left doesn't seem to comprehend is how they're getting played by the establishment. In this case through their support of Biden in return for what is so far an empty promises. You can call it the political elite, or the deep state, or the 1%. This "ruling class" has not firm allegiance to any political party. There's just one party, their party. They are not Democrats or Republicans. If it was Bernie Sanders vs. Jeb Bush these same forces that are backing Joe Biden the Democrat would be backing Jeb Bush the Republican. Because both Joe and Jeb are members of the exclusive clue while Donny T. and Bernie are not. Its no more complicated than that.

And effective. Effective in generating generous profits for shareholders and stock option grants for executives. Consistent with the quote, "its the profit game!" Steve Martin in The Jerk. I live in an area where Big Pharma has a large footprint. Lots of HQ, regional offices, and other facilities. This explains all the new Porches, Lexus's, Range Rovers, Corvettes, and even a couple Ferrari's I've seen buzzing around on the local roads the past few months. So Big Pharma says thank you America for your compliance and obedience to the program..

No worries. Joe thinks he's at Disneyland going through the Hall of Presidents exhibit while singing "its a small world after all".

From this point forward the capitol city shall be referred to as Floyd, Ohio. Elite virtue signalers, speaking from their well-guarded exclusive all white communities, shall proclaim this a great step in the right direction in the quest for racial justice. While politely asking people of color to please stay out of their neighborhoods and ignoring the fact the administration has done nothing in 6 months for minority communities except for token superficial gestures like taking down a couple inert statues and giving Federal employees another holiday. Nothing on the $15 minimum wage, nothing on education, nothing on crime, nothing on anything (Now awaiting some dullard to ask "what did Trump do for minority communities?" Those idiots just don't have a clue.)

True story. Yesterday I received the explanation of benefits on a claim from June when a medical emergency sends my wife to the hospital ER. She spends 4 days in ICU and another 4 days in step-down care and is released in good shape. The EOB looks wrong to me. It says service type provided is "surgery". There was not surgery. It should be "emergency services". I'm somewhat of an expert when it comes to medical claim processing as I previously spend 8 years managing a technical group that supported claim processing systems at an insurer. So I e-mail my carrier suggested the provider submitted it incorrectly. They're checking into it. And when I ask them for the diagnosis and procedure codes the doctor submitted one of the diagnosis codes is as follows: "NA Z20822Diagnosis --- CONTACT W/AND (SUSPECTED) EXPOSURE TO COVID-19". Complete BS, as she presented not a single symptom of COVID and was vaccinated. No cough, no fever, no sore throat, no respiratory distress. So now she's counted as a "suspected case" and during the hospitalization got two COVID tests and both returned negative. Oh, and because of that diagnosis the charge got jacked up big time! There ya go...

Well I feel so much better knowing you care.

Oh, I won't answer the question. One of the people who won't answer a question is calling me out for not answering their question. Wow. That's the definition of irony. Another guy with a love affair with Trump that just can't move on. Biden most likely will be dead before November 2024. And you can take that to the bank.

Do you think Biden's indifference to the gun violence and crime against people of color in inner city communities enhances his chances for 2024?

obviously you as you seem to be an expert on it.

Latest poll suggest support for Biden polices is dropping. And that 60% of Democrats are gun carrying illegal immigrants committing crimes! https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/outside-covid-19-biden-receives-mixed-approval-ratings