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There is a bit more involved. But yeah! Should the Bills be able to build duplicate that same power run game the Jets had in 2009-2010, and play keep the ball away from the other team, all the while wreaking havoc on opposing QB's. The is the same blueprint the 2009 Baltimore Ravens gave the world when they went up to New England in the Wildcard game, and pounded the Patriots 34-14. Ravens QB Joe Flacco went 4 of 10 for 34 yards, one INT . Meanwhile they had 52 rushes for 244 yards, and four TD's with the run game. That Ravens D sacked Brady 3x, and intercepted him 2x. Just a darn shame that nobody in the Bills FO noticed what the Jets or Ravens did in 2009.

There is no question in my mind that Ryan is worlds better in area of expertise as his defenses have remained in the top 10 his entire 6 years with the Jets. Meanwhile St Doug fielded one of the worst O lines ever, and his offenses have been in the top ten worst. Ryan will field an even better defense in Buffalo as he has better players. The problem is that doesn't translate to wins. Greg Roman is 1000% better then Nathaniel Hackett, no question. The problem lies in the fact that the offense won't improve if the line doesn't get some quality player upgrades. The run game that Roman is so good at simply won't work. Lots of yards with no actual ball control, just like the 2013 Bills. and as I pointed out his team started to deteriorate with all the same people, coached, players, GM. For whatever reason they moved away from what made them so good in 2009-2010. This is my issue, and in my view the HC still needs to take responsibility for his team the last four years. Apparently, very few Bills fans don't see it this way.

I'm very happy that St Doug, the false offensive minded coach is gone, along with the moron of a choice for OC. Its just that now everything will depend on the front office finding upgrades for the O line, and at QB. This is something they have had two years to accomplish, and each year they have gotten worse rather then better. This last year the O line was graded as 29th out of 32nd, and at one point this season they graded as the very worst line in the league. Be specific, elaborate.

I'm not miserable at all. I'm just trying my best to understand why so many of my fellow Bills fans are ecstatic over the hire of a HC that just went 4-12, and didn't have a winning season the last four years! His zip code changed. His uni, and team patches changed. Yet the circumstances of his situation of his last job didn't change.

Hence the reason i said he lost his vision. But then, it could have been OC Brian Schottenheimer's vision all along, as his father had won by building a very powerful Charger running team up to 2006 with LaDainian Tomlinson rushing for 1815 yards, and 28 TD's. In any event the Jets lost that ball control ground and pound running attack that helped the defense so much by keeping them on the bench nice and fresh, and kept the ball away from the other team. So it begs the question of what can we Bills fans really expect this year? I simply don't have the blind faith that most Bills fans are drowning in ecstasy over with this hire. My avatar isn't just about the Ryan hire, as its also about who hired him. Its about the front office staying the same with no senior football adviser. Its about not knowing if the third worst O line in the league is going to be upgraded with some actual quality talent this season, as its been the same bad players two years now. Nobody on that line is even close to elite, or a top player. Its about if the new OC is going to be hamstrung with inferior talent on the line and at then QB position so he gets all the blame when the team fails.

Allow me to explain in more detail. In 2011 the Jets still had Mike Tannenbaum as GM, and he was the one that drafted Revis, DaBrick, Mangold. They had both Cromartie, Revis, Bart Scott, and QB Mark Sanchez who was the QB in 2009, 2010. It was the exact same coaching staff, and basically the exact same players on both offense, and defense from the previous two years that they went to the conference championships with. The only difference between the years previous was they stopped running as much as the did in the previous years, and they asked Sanchez to pass more. Then for whatever reason the defense wasn't quite as good as it was previously, as they finished 20th in points allowed, and 5th in yards allowed. The Jets still had the 5th ranked defense in the NFL that year. If you look at their roster most of their starting defense played a full 16 games. The Jets simply stopped running the ball as much as they did the two years previous, and this got them away from their ball control offense. Pound the rock with ball control, and play great defense was what made then so formidable in Ryan's first two seasons as Jets head coach. Isn't the head coach responsible for the entire team, both offense and defense ? Its why I say he lost his vision, or perhaps it was never his at all, and Schottenheimer did what he wanted? That first year in 2009 with Sanchez as a rookie the Jets had 393 passing attempts vs 607 rushing attempts. (wow, talk about ball control) The Jets went 9-7 that year, and all the way to the conference championship. Then in 2010 the Jets had 525 passing attempts vs 534 rushing attempts, and were a very balanced offense. They went 11-5 that year, and all the way to the conference championship again. Then in 2011 the Jets had 547 passing attempts vs 443 rushing attempts, and went only 8-8. They clearly started throwing more, and rushing less. The 2011 Jets had lost their focus on what made them such a formidable team that nobody wanted to play. GM Mike Tannenbaum was with the team thru the 2012 season Now just to give more insight on what happened in 2012 the team changed offensive coordinators away from Brian Schottenheimer to Tony Sparano. QB Mark Sanchez went into the toilet under the new OC as 13 TD's vs 18 INT's. For 2013 they dumped QB Sanchez, OC Sparano, GM Tannenbaum. Brought in new GM Idzik, OC Marty Mornhinweg, QB Geno Smith who stunk it up 12 TD's vs 21 INT's For 2014 things got even worse and mostly because of a bad offense. Now granted the Jets have rushed quite a bit the last few years, but it was similar to what the Bills did in 2013 with lots of yards, and no ball control. Pounding the rock with ball control, and playing great defense is what made the 2009-2010 Jets so good, and they stopped utilizing that pound it out ball control offense after 2010. The defense has been a top 10 unit all six years, and it didn't matter.

I can visualize EJ being more then good enough to run an offense as a game manager while limiting his pass attempts to around 25 per game. The bigger questions are if Whaley can find some quality talent for the line this off season, and can the new line coach work well enough with the younger players to get them better. With a solid line that can effectively run block well enough to move the chains like the 49ers, or Ravens do every game. Then I can also see the Bills offense improving to around 15th or better. The Bills also need some better blocking TE's, and to have the WR's become better blockers. Think Hines Ward type blocking. The run game needs everyone on the field to be a good blocker, save the QB.

The entire reason the Bills traded him away was because he didn't run crisp, precise routes, and was free lancing to get open. This apparently confused EJ so they moved him. Another reason might have been his high salary, and his propensity for injuries. Then stated he didn't work out all that much in the off season which brought his desire to be a top player into question. I suppose it would depend on Stevie's current attitude and if the Bills bring in a different QB to start. Then, If he is realeased I wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets go after him as he flourished in Chan Gailey's offense. Chan is the Jets new OC under Todd Bowles

Gonna be interesting to see if the Bills new coaching staff can get some of the young players coached up this year. To see if the FO can add some quality talent. I hope Pears at RG, Urbik are finally history. 49ers Mike Solari the possible new o line coach or Redskins Chris Foerster. Things are looking better.

Bowles did an amazing job considering all the injuries to his defense. Gonna be an interesting 2015.

"Jets hired Chan Gailey as offensive coordinator." So, its a done deal, Chan to Jets. Interesting quote from Rotoworld, http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1 "If the Jets choose to keep Percy Harvin at his $10.5 million salary, it could mean big things for him. Gailey likes to spread his offense out and run fast. He was Chip Kelly before Chip Kelly was a thing. We like the hire for the Jets." The Jets have a really good O line, WR Percy Harvin, WR Eric Decker, TE Jace Amaro, a Spiller clone in CJ2K, and a bruising RB in Chris Ivory. The previous Jets OC was just lame, and didn't use the talent on hand very well. Not sure what this means for Mike Vick, but I think Geno look better running Chan's "pistol offense".

John Elway wants Peyton Manning back in Denver From PFT, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/13/john-elway-wants-peyton-manning-back-in-denver/ “I did have a great conversation with Peyton,” Elway said. “The bottom line is we want him back and it’s going to come down to what Peyton wants to do.” Elway said he isn’t sure how the 38-year-old Manning feels physically, but Elway believes that if Manning thinks he can hold up for another season, the Broncos want him to do it.

I recall the two teams that crushed the Patriots in the beginning of the year. Miami and Kansas City. I think Gronk was coming off an injury so they brought him back slowly. In that 33-20 loss against the Dolphins Gronk had 4 rec for 40 yards in week one, and then 3 rec for 96 in their win in week 15. The Chiefs just destroyed the Patriots 41-14 in week 4. Gronk had 2 rec for 31 yards. That KC team ran the ball 38 rushes for 207 yards vs 28 passes, and played great defense by getting 3 sacks, 3 turnovers. The Chiefs showed the blueprint to beating the Patriots, as have the Ravens. Play great defense, and pound the rock to play keep away from Brady. I hope the Colts, Seahawks or Packers crush the Patriots this year.

This is really good news, as the Bills needed to move away from Pat Morris. Can Solari bring that 49er O line with him?

I was sorta hoping the Bills FO would have signed him, or even talked to him when he was a free agent before he went to Denver in 2012. Although I love Manning I just don't see him doing great things here unless they fix some offensive problems. He could help Roman learn to call a more progressive passing offense, and what he could teach EJ would be amazing. If Fred Jackson thought that Kyle Orton was the hardest working player in in terms of preparation, then he hasn't seen Manning in action.

Thanks for pointing that out. I corrected the final results of those two years, and it really didn't have any bearing on whats transpired with his teams over the last four seasons in terms of what made Ryan successful hist first two years. His best coaching job for me was that #1 overall defense in 2009, and they were a terror that season. Although Manning ripped his defense for 377 yards, and 3 TD's in the AFC Championship game. Pierre Garcon had 151 yards, Austin Collie had 123 yards. Revis must have been covering Reggie Wayne in that game.

Great, more snarky responses with no intelligence behind them.

What is it with the mentality of this board that ignores facts because they want to believe their shiny new toy is the best in the playground. I posted facts, now deal with them. Oh, yea. I tried to trick you with all those facts.

To those that think that because the Bills hired a guy who went to 2x AFC championship games as a Wildcard are not understanding that Rex Ryan doesn't have the offensive players needed to have the kind of success he had in way back in 2009-2010. Just want to add that most fans that are happy about the hiring of Ryan are not understanding he LOST his vision of what made those first two years in NY successful. Then, I highly doubt the 2015 Buffalo Bills are going to achieve any kind of ground and pound attack with one of the very worst offensive lines in the NFL. Doug Marrone tried it in 2013 by leading the NFL in rushing attempts, and being #2 in rushing overall. All he managed to do was gain a lot of yards while going 6-10, and the O line was better in 2013. It was way better in 2012, and got worse because they never adequately replaced LG Andy Levitre Now guess what? Here it is going on three years and this GM still hasn't replaced Andy Levitre with anyone near his talent level, and Andy wasn't that good a run blocker.

In 2009 Rex Ryan inherited a pretty good team from Eric Mangini that already had a a bunch of good players on both sides of the ball, a solid O line as DaBrick, and Mangold were drafted in 2006 under Mangini.Then the next year it was under Mangini that Darrelle Revis was drafted by the Jets in 2007. Mangini was fired by the Jets after taking them to a 9-7 finish in 2008. That first season for Rex Ryan with the Jets in 2009 they only drafted 3 players in that years draft, and they were all offensive In QB Sanchez, RB Shonn Greene, and OG Matt Slauson . So that #1 overall defense came from previous drafts. In his first season he drafted Mark Sanchez, and went to the conference championship with a record of 9-7 as a wildcard. The managed that by pounding the rock, and playing great defense. The Jets did the same the very next year at 10-6, and went to the conference championship. For whatever reason the Jets got away from what made them a formidable team in pounding the rock, as they kept asking the QB to throw more while they ran less. **Then they went 6-10 in 2012. **They went 8-8 in 2013. They went 4-12 in 2014. That's right, 4-12 in 2014. The more important stat is that whatever Ryan was doing the first two years he lost his vision, and stopped doing. To those fans who think that Rex Ryan will now give the New England Patriots / Bill Belichick- Tom Brady fits. Rex Ryan's Jets went 1-7 against New England the last four years. 2014 0-2 2013 1-1 2012 0-2 2011 0-2 2010 2-1 * 2-1 when the Jets beat the Pariots in a wildcard game 28-21 2009 1-1 The final result is 4 wins vs 9 losses against the Patriots in six years. Bottom line: Rex Ryan lost his vision as to what was working that even got him to the playoffs the first two years, and that was pounding the rock and playing great defense. Those first two years the Jets ran the ball more then they threw it, and the next four threw more then they ran. Don't blame this all on his personnel either because his decline started with Mike Tannenbaun as GM, and only got worse under Idzik. The more they tried to force Mark Sanchez to throw the worse they looked, and ultimately got rid of him after 2012 because the Jets no longer had confidence in his abilities as an NFL QB. Now under Chip Kelly, (who I think is an offensive genius) has Sanchez throwing more then his team is running it, and managed to get a 4-4 record out of Mr Buttfumble. This doesn't mean that Sanchez can come to Buffalo and find success. BTW, The John Harbaugh Baltimore Ravens have had the key to beating Bill Belichicks Patriots 2009 1-1, and that win was in the playoffs.In 2012 he went 2-0 to win the super bowl. He has an overall 3-5 record against the Patriots

Just about any head coach hire would be preferable to Marrone in my view, as he lost me when he was out on the practice field "hands on" with the O linemen only to see them get worse. St Doug is about as far removed as an offensive guru as Rex Ryan is. Marrone seemed to be more intent on helping his BFF with special teams then his OC. Yes lord, I am very grateful Nathaniel Hackett is no longer with the Buffalo Bills. The bright spot for me is the new Bills OC! Greg Roman looks to be my type of offensive coordinator, as someone who will build a power run game to allow the QB to manage the game. Just what I've been hoping for the last 10 years. Now sadly, the weight of the entire offense is on this one mans shoulders. I get that Ryan will field a defense equal to, or even better then Schwartz's #3 overall defense. Ryan had a top 10 defense his last four years, and it didn't get him a winning season. My complaint here is with this HC hire is the Bills didn't find a head coach that has an eye for QB's, offensive talent, and unless Roman is that guy, the team is screwed again this year. We won't fully know this until next season starts. The Bills already had a good defense, and needed an infusion of actual offensive intelligence. I think whomever Ryan hires as his O line coach will be of the utmost importance in developing some of those young linemen. Someone mentioned that Bill Callahan's contract with the Dallas Cowboys is up. If the young players can't be coached up then the Bills will need 3 of 5 new players for that line.

No reason for you to even be posting in this particular thread telling other Bills fans to go away. Why even enter into a thread just to stir stuff up? Want to dispute that the Bills didn't take a step back, then fine, feel free. Just don't condescend to other Bills fans that they need to go away because they don't agree with your opinion. Don't like the posts, then don't read them. Try and comprehend, like I already pointed out, I'm not on the Rex Ryan bandwagon. I really dislike that loud mouthed buffoon, and so much enjoyed the Buffalo Bills destroying his Jets teams this season. A loser HC that went 4-12 last season. 3-9 vs the Patriots over six seasons, and 1-7 the last four years. This hire makes little sense to me.

I'm not on the Rex Ryan bandwagon. Why don't you follow the tail to the unicorns and butterflies to gush about Rexy. This thread is for the fans that don't like the hire, and are commenting on it. The man is a loud mouthed jerk who didn't keep his promises in NY to win a SB. Heck, the guy couldn't even win the division in six years.

Rex Ryan has basically fielded a top 10 defense in his last six years with the Jets 6th, 11th, 8th, 5th, 3rd, 1st. To what result you ask? Where did it get him against the AFC East division, and more importantly against the Patriots HC Bill Belichick (2009 9-7 wildcard), (2010 11-5 wildcard), (2011 8-8), (2012 6-10), (2013 8-8), (2014 4-12) 3-9 overall against the Patriots in his six years, and 1-7 the last four. Never even won the division in six years.