Thurman#1

Sorry, but saying that in one sentence and then going on to spray all over the place with Sammy Watkins references and all sorts of other things really does not make it clear that that was your point. Only that that was one of many things you were saying. And again, when you go off in many directions, people are going to reply to all of what you said, not just one sentence of it. If that is the only thing you meant, fine. I find it irrelevant. I only care deeply about whether the guy we picked does well in our system. How LaPorta does is of minor interest to me and has nothing to do with how good a pick Kincaid is, to me. None. If you care, I guess that's your business. I don't. Nor do I find the horrendous Watkins pick (more specifically the awful at first glance trade-up to get the Watkins pick) at all relevant to Kincaid. I guess even mentioning that Watkins disaster pushes my buttons. If I over-reacted, I'm sorry. Did you have to bring that up?

Oh. Well, you might want to make your point clearer then. None of us actively want that. Not that it matters much. What matters is whether Kincaid is good, not how he compares to a guy with a somewhat different skill set on a different roster with a different scheme. Kincaid shows every sign of being very very good in our scheme with our guys. LaPorta's good too. Which is pretty much irrelevant to me and I think most Bills fans. Though so far I like watching him play as well.

He's right. FAs can be much better targeted for present needs. Drafts are more for the future, particularly as good teams draft later and thus tend to get guys who are not as football ready. Oh, sorry. Even you're confused, hunh? I'll give you some time to go back and see if you can find something salvageable there.

Sorry, it was a very stupid point about Super Bowl windows.

There are indeed loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and being outperformed. There are also loads of examples throughout the league of players drafted higher than other players at their positions and outperforming them. Strangely, you didn't mention any of those cases, the ones that didn't fit your narrative. Which is what cherry-picking is. And again, you had to go back nine years to find your example there.

You are absolutely cracking me up here. That's precisely the definition of cherry picking. You search till you find the examples that fit your narrative and you ignore all other examples. Specifically squarely and strictly cherry-picking, not to mention that the Watkins pick was nearly a decade ago and has absolutely nothing to do with this regime. Kinda sad, and an on the nose case of cherry-picking.

I see. So somebody (you?) tried to hijack a Kincaid thread, and here I was assuming that in that Kincaid thread you might be talking about Kincaid? My bad. Should've figured you might have been completely off the point into the weeds. So I may well have missed the point, since I only looked at your post and not the ones you were replying to. Still, you were absolutely cherry picking as I suggested. Not to mention completely off the point talking about a different position and a different Bills regime.

Yes, we do. It's called cherry picking. And shouldn't be taken seriously. More, it's dumb cherry picking, comparing guys taken at #4, #7 and #12 and with complete ingenuousness wondering who can imagine why they might be better early in their careers than a guy picked at #25 who plays a position where guys genuinely start slower in their first years than do WRs recently. Just pathetic.

Yup, shoulder problems. I'm not worried in the least, myself. Week 7 43 snaps Week 8 58 snaps Week 9 52 snaps Week 10 41 snaps Week 11 51 snaps Week 12 58 snaps bye Week 14 60 snaps Week 15 33 snaps Week 16 2 snaps This ain't mysterious. He's injured, he's getting fewer snaps. He'll be fine.

Bills Chiefs Ravens in no particular order. The Browns aren't that far behind the big three, though, IMO.

Not much more to say. Exactly that. He's hit 50% on every single snap for weeks. Every snap, and way beyond 50%. Hell, I hit 50% of Von's 100%, and I'm no spring chicken. You don't get to be a pro athlete till you get to maybe 85%. The problem is that the difference between 90% and 100% is the difference between NFL average and terrific. That's why it's really hard to tell what will happen, even for doctors who spend all their time on stuff like this.

He's had 122 defensive snaps. One hurry. One sack, three pressures Five solo tackles and four assists. One tackle for loss. Two QB hits. That's the basic reason, I think. He hasn't been impressive when he had chances. He's stuck out a few times but not often enough. He looked good in camp, but hasn't shown much since.

Oh, bull####. Seriously. When you win, you don't need excuses. Cause you won. When you lose, that's when the excuses don't stand up well. Honest to God, you guys absolutely crack me up. When we win big, you say, "yeah, sure they can win big, but they can't win the close ones." The Bills go win a few close ones and now you're complaining they should have won big. There's no way to win with you folks. There's absolutely always more to complain about. It's nonsense.

So, [sigh] ... you know your headline disagrees with your post, right? And that it just isn't so? Maybe if you want to try again, think a bit, first?

Agreed it was a dangerous combo, and they had nothing to lose and were able to have approaches nobody had seen on film. It was a tough game for us and a big game for them. But IMO it's really really overstating it to say that was their Super Bowl. It wasn't. It was a very important game for them. But "players want to impress next year's coaching staff"? That's every player, every game, every year. Overall I agree. If we'd lost, those excuses wouldn't have held up. Having won, they do, they are legit reasons the Chargers were able to keep it close.

Then when he throws a lot but we lose, it's "we've got to have a run game to take the pressure off."

"Narratives against him," that's classic. It'd be hard to find a clearer case of confirmation bias. Up and down play is what's against him. We saw it again in L.A. Still an absolutely excellent QB. Simply doesn't look like the MVP this year though. He's giving you just what you asked for. He argues that he's really good but has some significantly poor plays also. You go right to "trade him." You're getting just exactly what your posts deserve.

More like from Russ Brandon.

Wow, nice pickup. 1985 - 2002. It's got to have been him. And here I was thinking he's Giannised it out of nowhere. Thanks. The 28th overall and a 4th rounder. He was worth more but in those circumstances they weren't going to get more.

Head injuries don't have to be involved. Just saw a story a couple of weeks ago about Antetokounmpo making up a story in his head and making himself believe it for motivation. https://theathletic.com/3699137/2022/10/19/giannis-bucks-nba-season/ A rookie Mamukelashvili was remembered by Giannis as having said this before his first practice with the team: “He said, ‘Yo, Giannis, I’m gonna shut you down in practice today.’ and I was just tying my shoe, but he did not know me,” Antetokounmpo told The Athletic. “It was like our first interaction, first time to meet somebody, but he didn’t know me. And he is like a kid that has so much energy, he loves to talk too much. He was like, ‘I’m gonna shut you down today. I’m going to bust your ass.’ And I was just tying my shoes. And I can see Jrue, I can see Khris was like …” "As he tells the story, Antetokounmpo pretends to look up from tying his right shoe, raises an eyebrow, flashes a disproving look at the rookie, then gives the same glance to his teammates on the left and right and goes back to tying his shoe. “They had the face (too),” Antetokounmpo recounted to The Athletic. “And I just, I didn’t say a word to him. I just tied my shoes. I did my lift, I had my vitamin. Practice started, I had one target: Mamu. And I killed him. The Bucks posted a video on the Bucks’ Instagram, social media.” https://theathletic.com/3699137/2022/10/19/giannis-bucks-nba-season/ Then the reporter goes on to show the guy never said anything nearly that disrespectful. Some of these guys just nurse stuff that they can use to give them a sense of disrespect, whether it happened or not. It sounded possible on first reading (as did the Giannis story), but with the research others have done here .... That's probably what happened. God, yes, that blocked punt. Just absolutely insane!!!!

Apparently not. That sounded wonky to me, so I looked it up. "Basically, a little bit of air removed from the ball makes it easier to kick accurately because you get more ball surface in contact with the toe," Timothy Gay, physics professor at the University of Nebraska, told NBC News. "The more air you remove the shorter the range because the ball behaves more like a mattress and less like a stiff spring, so that the kicker expends more energy deforming the ball and less giving it velocity." https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/super-bowl-xlix/pigskin-physics-whats-big-deal-about-deflated-footballs-n290466

Holy crow, hadn't seen this before. Wow, what a project you've signed up for!! Impressive! I'll follow with interest. Good stuff!!!

... says the sad uncle nobody is talking to at the adults table. For the second time now, it was you who said "the SB winner." Know how many SB championships Randy Moss has? Zero. Yet another stupid argument from you. Welker and Edelman were the #1 WRs on those teams. We have a terrific WR too. Gronk was also fantastic. James Cook in 2023 with three games to go has already outproduced Gronk's best career year.

MVP of the Super Bowl? Woooooooooooooooh!!!! Gee whiz. OK, so I misunderstood your argument, but what is apparently your real argument is even sadder than what I thought. He had a good Super Bowl game, so he and his 500 plus yards that season were good? Yup, sad indeed. Again, he had five games over 39 yards, and those three were 81 yards and a TD, 79 yards and no TD, a 77 yarder with a TD and a 77 yarder with no TD. That's the guy who made the huge difference? Pathetic. Especially so when you have to try to quote Super Bowl announcers saying something that you remember them saying to back your point up. Beckham had a pretty decent season that year. That's something. But it ain't all that much that it allows a sensible argument that the Rams skill players outside of Kupp were all that good. No wonder you have to go outside of your own sad self-imposed boundaries to desperately try to scrape up an argument. Which SB did the Bengals win again?

Kupp is the GOAT what? The GOAT Rams receiver in 2021? You get no argument from me that he was insane that year and really really good generally. He was. I think you misunderstand GOAT. All terrific players you mention, though, fair enough. But so is Diggs.