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We can’t afford Kamara IMO, he will cost too much to acquire and too much on the cap. I wasn’t referencing you, which is why I replied separately directly to you and didn’t bring that up. Lol. My point with the post you replied to is that people always think we can maneuver the cap when it’s a player that poster wants, but when they aren’t a fan of a different player the cap is suddenly a bigger issue.

But keep in mind, it’s only $7M and Allens new deal doesn’t hit til next year. We could swing this even if we didn’t do a new deal. This would be the year to do it. But I would expect Beane would do a new deal ahead of the trade anyway if he made this move.

I do find it interesting to see some of the same people complaining about not being able afford a $7m contract (here and some other threads this came up) are also ones advocating to trade for Khalil Mack, who in best case scenario would be a $17M contract to absorb. Saquans contract isnt that bad, and it’s for this year only. Allens new deal doesn’t kick in until next year. If there was ever a year we could take a chance on a player who has shown to be an elite play maker and is still young, this is the year.

That’s why I mentioned in my post that the caveat would be a new contract here. I wouldn’t say he hasn’t lived up to his promise, he showed it. The Giants team has been in shambles ever since though. I named them specifically because of their standing as top end RBs. I am not saying a change of scenery is automatic he stays healthy, just saying it’s not fair to just say he can’t. Any player in the league would have had the same ankle injury if they rolled it as nasty as his was this year, and it’s argued he made it back sooner than most would have. Not every injury is a sign of persistent injury issues. It’s not like he had ticky tack soft tissue issues. He had a couple bad luck plays where things got bent the wrong way.

Because Josh cant keep this pace up and expect his body to hold up. The guy leaves 110% of himself and his soul on that field every Sunday. His body takes a pounding running the ball. Great he is 25...but at some point that beating is going to catch up with him, it always does. We need to take some of that weight off him literally.

They can still do a new contract with him.

They said the same thing about Fred Taylor, Frank Gore, Matthew Stafford, etc too. Sometimes you just have a run of bad luck, doesn't always mean its a permanent issue. And like I said, Buffalo has the best training facilities and program in the NFL to help him to get and stay healthy. Then there is having another RB and Allen here to take a lot of the load off of him too. So, its a gamble I would take, especially if only costs us say Moss a mid to late pick.

That is why I think Moss and a 4th gets it done, and I would do that in a hearbeat You clearly did NOT read the post. If you had, it had the caveat or redoing his contract as part of the acquisition.

Beane always says what he means and does what he says. And he said to expect Cole back, he has one more year on his contract. So I really don' there is much chance of him being cut, unless Cole does something stupid. I do think he is a possible trade candidate though. But barring a trade, he will most likely be our slot WR still this year. I did just post a thread about Saquan and how we might use Cole in a trade with the Giants. Makes a lot of sense on both sides given Cole comes off the books after this year and could give immediate help to Jones to see if there is anything there to work with. And could bring us back draft picks or someone like Saquan.

Why I think it makes more sense than ever, and why I would actually like to see this happen. And I am a fan of Devin, not a knock on him at all, but Barkley just brings more to the table. Schoen just studied under Beane's masterclass on how to rebuild an organization. Clear the cap first, asses what you have, and start rebuilding. Giants have a terrible cap situation, first things first will be to start fixing that. Barkley doesn't make them better, that OL is atrocious and the QB position isn't settled. He IMHO is almost a lock to be traded somewhere, I really don't think he will be on the roster week 1 in NY. Plus, Daboll just came from an offense where he didn't lean on the run game. Bills are in a unique position to be able to offer the Giants something in return that can help them try and remain competitive (they want to instill a new culture from the get go) and pieces they are familiar with. We could send them back a RB that could come in and immediately compete to start for them in Moss or even Devin that are cheap on the cap too. And then we redo his contract like when we acquired Diggs. Additionally, if we needed to, we could include Cole in a package as well which would be a great piece for the Giants to get because he comes off the books after this next season and he would be an immediate on field help to whoever is QB this year as a move the chains specialist. There are going to be a bunch of disagree emoticons and quick replies hating this idea because people think Saquan is done, especially with the injury history. But I would not write him off so fast. There have been a long list of guys where a change of scenery to a better situation allowed a player to flourish. And the talent was there with him, but he has been saddled with an atrocious OL the whole time and even worse QB play. Plus, we have the most state of the art training facilities and team in the NFL, if there was ever a place for a guy to go and try and put the injuries behind them its here. And its already proved to be effective as we have had some guys who cant shake the injury bug elsewhere come here and stay healthy at multiple positions. Additionally, we will still have either Devin or Moss at RB and Allen at QB...meaning we wont need to run Barkley into the ground like they kept trying to do with him in NY and EMC in Carolina. This will help keep Barkley healthy as well, and a healthy Saquan in this offense could be explosive. Trade ideas: Put these and more in the poll too Package A - Moss and a 4th. Package B - Cole, Moss, and a 6th. Package C - Devin and a 5th. Package D - Just draft picks...but I think both teams will be interested in one of our RB's being included.

2 biggest holes: DB (Tre coming off injury, Levi FA) and DT (Star winding down, Phillips FA). I think they will make a strong push to bring both Levi and Phillips back which will help shore up those holes if they can, but they still need to add another young corner (we have terrible depth) hopefully with speed and someone with size at DT. Next up...IOL. I don't expect any big moves at WR given Cole is still here one more year (unless they trade him) and Davis is ready to start opposite Diggs. Probably bring in someone in FA or mid rounds of the draft.

Tremaine Edmunds is doing what he is being asked to do. I would like to see a new DC use him differently. Unfortunately, Daboll went to Giants which probably means Frazier now wont get a HC gig as that was his best shot.

That’s actually not accurate. Brees for example struggled to make the playoffs for a while in NO for example. Same for guys like Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, Stafford, and Wilson. And guys like Goff, Foles, and young QBs on rookie deals still have made a lot of recent SBs the past 10 years.

Disappointed. I wanted him to go to Miami so Frazier would leave and go to the Giants. Now I don't think he is in the running for any other jobs. I don't want Frazier back personally, and its not just because of the Chiefs game, I just think I am ready to see what a new DC does with the pieces we have here.

Mahomes led the NFL in yards gained on throws at or behind the LOS. Allen was like third. So we do pretty well at this too.

No brainer.

BB - I am not shocked, his team way over achieved to the offseason expectations. He nearly won the division, something no one thought they would come close to with a rookie QB that has a noodle arm. Vrabel - Deserves it. To somehow maintain winning and get the #1 seed knocking off some tough teams after losing Henry was remarkable coaching job. I thought they were toast when Henry went down. Quinn - I dont have a huge issue with this, I think there were a lot of worthy candidates this year. But their defense out performed expectations and had 2 guys have exceptional seasons on it.

Allen would be the 2nd player taken without question if the NFL was to redraft the whole league tomorrow. And honestly, I am certain there are some GM's that would take him over Mahomes even though Mahomes would average out to going first overall. There isn't a QB in the league that can do something Josh cant do. But there are some things Allen can do that no one else can, not even Mahomes. My guess it would go: Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow. I personally would take Herbert over Burrow, just feel like his extra mobility gives him an edge for me, and I think Burrow gets bailed out a lot by the talent at WR. And I expect his arrogance to at some point begins to work against him, kind of like I think it does for Rodgers. But I think the choice between the two is a toss up across the league, so wouldn't surprise me to see Burrow go 3 over Herbert, especially if they upset the Chiefs this weekend.

You cant say though they are faster at every position then not list the same positions for both teams. And we are plenty fast enough, speed isn't what lost us this game. Tre White being lost for the season and a combo of miscommunication and bad defensive play calls at end of game did. Honestly, if Tre plays, I have no doubt we win by double digits.

They wouldn't have gone for 2. If the penalty can be applied to the XP, then that includes the 2 point conversion, and instead of being attempted from 2 yard line, the yardage penalty would have moved them back way further. Sounds like some are saying it would have been McDs choice to apply to XP or KO (I just thought it was KO), and if that was the case, I assume he applies it to XP to try and increase odds they missed it so they would only need a 3 instead of a TD on the final drive.

Then stop suggesting it being thrown is something worth investigating. I already showed you how ridiculous of a suggestion that it is.

Well if its something that can be added to the XP, then yeah, it would have made the XP tougher, but I doubt it changes anything. Butker is one of the best kickers in football, and while any kicker is capable of missing kicks (he missed one at end of half even), odds are the outcome is the same. And as far as taunting goes, I don't think what Hill did is any different than anyone high stepping into the end zone. And I have seen plenty of other times where people are waving bye to someone they ran past and not get flagged. I think it becomes taunting more when a player gets into someones face or stands over them enticing contact or reactions. This is way way way down on my list of things I think about this game.

Here is the issue thought: Squib kick likely eats 4 to 6 seconds and ends up around the 35 or 40. And after the kickoff, they had 13 seconds and after one play were around the 40 eating up the same amount of time. If Frazier runs the same D after the squib giving Kelce that read for the seam and the play happens the same, it is the same result. So there is no guarantee here that a squib kick changes the outcome. It was a mistake by someone that Bass did not get the squib kick call, but end of the day, there is no assurances the result is different. Kelce saw what Frazier trotted out there, told Mahomes if they play it like that he can get the seam. Mahomes saw it was the same formation after the TO, yelled to Kelce to do it at the LOS and they got a big play to get into FG range. And that wasn't the end of his FG range either, could have come up shorter and still been within the range of Butker. It was a series of errors, most compounded by the defensive play call by Frazier.

Doesnt the flag get tacked onto the kickoff though?

Oh stop. Don't say "I don't think he did" while at the same time floating he might have. This is an absurd line of discussion. You do realize Kelce was mic'd up and called his own route change based on Fraziers defensive call and Mahomes confirmed the change at the LOS before hiking it right yelling "Do it Kelce, Do it"? So wouldn't that mean Frazier would have had to been in cahoots with Kelce, otherwise how could he know Kelce would audible his own route to exploit the formation? I mean how could Frazier give them a gimme if he wasn't aware Kecle was going to change his route to take advantage? Oh wait, I got it...thats why Kelce was "mic'd up" because Frazier was tapped into his hot mic being they were in cahoots! Thats it. Nailed it. 🙄