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  1. FINAL VERSION 3.0

     

    NOTE:  This was a rushed, crazy, and more aggressive one just for fun including a 3 team trade rumored but probably doesn't happen.  

    1. Chicago - Caleb Williams, QB, USC:  No brainer here, everything points to this being their guy.
    2. Washington - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU:  I have believed this pick to be Drake Maye in v1.0 and 2.0, and I have someone I trust who has insight who told me that both QB's were in play and had supporters inside, and Maye got momentum there for a little bit.  I have not gotten a recent update to know for sure if there is still a chance Maye could go here or not, but given most buzz out there is still sticking with Jayden, I am reluctantly changing this to Jayden even though I won't at all be surprised if this was Maye.
    3. *TRADE* - Vikings (previous Patriots) - Drake Maye, QB, UNC:  In a historic multi team trade...Vikings, Patriots, Cardinals make draft history.  Minnesota decides to pull the trigger after Maye gets past Washington and Patriots have deal in place with GM Ossenfort (formerly of NE) to safely go back 1 where Cardinals also go back with Chargers so they can still get their QB and Cards still get MHJ and Chargers going to 11 where they can safely address OL.
    4. *TRADE* Patriots (previous Cardinals) - JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan:  With a deal in place with Cards before moving off 3, they still get their QB and net some extra draft ammo.
    5. *TRADE* Cardinals (previous Chargers) - Marvin Harrison Jr, WR, Ohio St:  hNo team has more power in this draft than the Cardinals who brilliantly add more draft assets to an already treasure trove of picks while still getting their guy.  
    6. Giants - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU:  Missing out on moving up, they take a major weapon in Nabers to help address what is an anemic offensive group.  
    7. Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame:  Not a lot to say here, maybe the safest mock pick in the draft outside Caleb...Having the best OT in this draft fall in their lap here is a gift they sprint to the podium to select.  
    8. Atlanta - Byron Murphy, DL, Texas:  Atlanta looks to bolster their DL with the best DT in the draft who is a guy that just moves different than the other DT's in the draft, who can get off the ball and shoot the gaps to wreak havoc.  He is as much a force against the run as he is the pass as well and who could become an anchor up front for Atlanta for years to come.  One of the edge rushers could be in this spot too such as Turner or Verse.
    9. *TRADE* - Bills (previous Bears) - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington:  Im skeptical we do this TBH, but its a version 3 mock and I am taking a few more risks and liberties here on the news we are being aggressive to move up.  Bills get their absolute stud WR who seems built to be in the Bills locker room for the next stage of Allens prime.  
    10. *TRADE* Colts (previous NY Jets) - Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia:  With the Jets missing out on one of the big 3 WR's, they move back and pick up some extra draft ammo and Colts get maybe the biggest mismatch creator in the draft and a young QB's best friend in Brock. 
    11. *TRADE* Chargers (previous Vikings & Cardinals) - JC Latham, OT, Alabama:  This is best case for Chargers, hey get to trade back adding more picks and land the guy they really covet in JC Latham who should be here at 11.
    12. Broncos - Bo Nix, QB, Oregon:  Broncos explore trading back, but ultimately go ahead and take their QB and not mess around.  
    13. Raiders - Michael Penix, QB, Washington:  After missing out on going up to get Daniels, the Raiders pull the trigger on Penix who by all reports they are also very high on.   
    14. Saints - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn St:  With big needs at OT, Saints also have the draft fall well and are able to take the 2nd best OT prospect in the draft. 
    15. *TRADE* NY Jets (previous Colts) - Brian Thomas Jr, WR, LSU:  Jets get their weapon for Rodgers while still picking up some extra picks from the earlier trade down to probably address OL to help protect Rodgers.  
    16. TRADE* Eagles (previous Seattle) - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo:  After giving up the most TD passes in the league, the Eagles need to address CB in the worst way, and if Mitchell getting into the mid teens they see the opportunity to go up and get one many see as the best corner in the draft.  
    17. Jaguars - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas:  Jags need to keep pace with Houston, and not sure Kirk, Davis, Zay combo is scaring anyone and look to add some explosion so they can see if TD Jesus is really the long term answer at QB.
    18. Bengals - Troy Fatanu, OL, Washington:  Bengals have to find a way to keep Burrow on his feet and healthy and signing Trent Brown on a one year deal with his injury history isn't enough to keep them from looking to the future here.   
    19. LA Rams - Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA:  Buzz here is that McVay is gonna go offense in his first ever first round pick and is trying to trade up.  Not getting into the top 10, Rams stay put and bolster their pass rush with maybe the best pure edge rusher in the draft. 
    20. Pittsburgh - Graham Barton, IOL, Duke:  Steelers need a Center and here is their chance to add maybe the best IOL prospect in the draft who can potentially come in and shore up that Center position for years to come.   
    21. Miami - Dallas Turner, EDGE, Alabama - The trenches for Miami are an absolute mess and they could go OL or DL here, but with steep drop off on the DL after the first round, they take one of the best pass rushers in the draft, especially given the plethora of JAGS they brought in FA are nothing more than role players.  
    22. *TRADE* Seattle (via Eagles) Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida St:  Seattle has the draft fall great for them after trading back with Eagles and still getting one of the premiere edge rushers in this draft to help bolster their ailing DL.
    23. *TRADE* Commanders (previously Vikings, Patriots, & Chargers) - Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon St:   Commanders are aggressively looking to move for an OT and they move up to get one of the best in Fuaga.  Chargers, looking to rebuild both sides of the trenches and address WR in this draft see an opportunity to load up more picks here on days 2 and 3 to do just that.
    24. Dallas - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia:  Dallas wouldn't surprise me to take a WR here, but I think the smarter play is address the obvious needs on the OL with the guy with the most upside.
    25. Packers - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson:  With the trade of Douglas to the Bills, GB looks to the draft to find its next CB opposite Jaire and take one of the top corners in the draft in Wiggins.  If Wiggins is gone in the real draft here, I can also see some OL help in bound with this pick as well.
    26. Tampa Bay - Chop Robinson, EDGE, Penn St:   With pass rushers dropping off soon, Bucs look to bolster that unit with the explosive Chop Robinson. 
    27. Arizona - Jer'Zhan Newton, DL, Illinois:  As I had in v2.0, Newton has been vocal about loving the Cardinals and if he is here I think this will most likely be the pick as AZ looks to bolster a unit very much in need of the help.  
    28. *TRADE* Bears (previously Buffalo) -  Darius Robinson, DL, Missouri:  After the trade down with the Bills, the Bears take the versatile Robinson who can help inside and on the Edge.
    29. Detroit - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa:  Lions could very well take Adonai Mitchell here or even someone on the OL, but with a high powered offense already in stow, I have changed my mind and have them addressing their biggest need and taking the talented corner from Alabama to help bolster their defense. 
    30. Ravens - Jordan Morgan, OL, Arizona:  I have moved off WR here for Ravens given the fact they lost 3 OL this offseason and if they want Lamar and Henry to be at their best, they need to bolster this unit and Morgan can potentially play RT or G giving them a versatile player to plug in.  
    31. 49ers - Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia:  With a major WR run expected to begin at the top of round 2, 49ers look to add one with them looking at having to move Aiyuk possibly at some point. 
    32. Chiefs - Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas:  I still think Ja'Lynn Polk could be in play here, or potentially OL or someone like Kool-Aid, but word is they want to add more speed at WR and have been trying to move up for that, so thinking Mitchell could be a guy here not previously believed to get to this pick.  

     

    I really did not have the time to put into this third version as I wanted, in fact, its a minor miracle I even got it done TBH.  So excuse craziness and any errors that I may have missed as I moved guys and teams around the board.  

     

    But it was fun to cook up some creativity vs the more likely scenarios.  

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  2. 6 minutes ago, Logic said:


    Disagree. You talk about him like he wasn't actually a good college football player.

    He was a freshman breakout and posted three years of good production at Texas.

    But honestly...I don't want to spend the second best day of the football year arguing about any prospects. I've done enough of that the past few months. Today is a day for joy and pizza and booing Roger Goodell.

    We'll stick with "agree to disagree" on Worthy, and we can check back in with each other as his NFL career goes along.

     

     

    Yeah all good dude...but the college resume stuff isn't a great counter point as the first round draft history is littered with the corpses of stud college players at big schools who flamed out in the NFL.  

     

    Hey, thats the beauty of the draft, lots of opinions and no facts (facts being NFL on field experience)...just hopes and dreams for all.  Gonna be a fun night, this is one of the more exciting and interesting overall drafts in a while.  Enjoy bud

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  3. 6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    I think the issue is if the fastest guy hits, you automatically have one of the best weapons in football.

     

    it’s a ceiling v floor argument

     

    Agree, but Worthy size limits his role at the next level IMHO.  Guys like Hill and Tank Dell play bigger than their size, Worthy doesn't and the lack of strength I think is going to limit his ability at the next level.  And guys like Tank are more the exception than the rule on top of that.  For a team like say Dallas, I can see him being a great addition potentially opposite Lamb, on turf, etc.  But for a team looking for a WR1...I don't think he is that dude.

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  4. 39 minutes ago, Logic said:

    Just to circle back to previous Xavier Worthy discussions. 

    Not that it should be at all shocking that the fastest guy in combine history would go in round 1, but...Vegas seems to think that's what's about to happen.
     

     


    Too bad the fastest guy in combine history doesn’t translate to the field and play like the fastest player in history.  Too much is being made about his straight line speed in shorts IMHO.  Actual game day speed is made up of more than a forty time.  Meanwhile he only caught 6 of the 23 deep ball targets and only caught 5 of his 21 contested catch targets.  40% of his snaps were in slot, and 21% of his targets were screens.  
     

    Worthy is going to get over drafted and most likely be a complimentary piece somewhere than a lead dog.  

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  5. My concerns on Worthy further explained on his 2023 season:

    1. Only caught 6 of his 23 deep ball targets.
    2. Only caught 5 of his 21 contested targets.
    3. Working over the middle of the field he had some drops and incompletions by alligator arming some opportunities, which with his frame that is not surprising.  
    4. 40% of his snaps were from the slot.
    5. 21% of his targets were screens.

    Im not gonna hate taking him, I mean the speed is exciting.  But this guy plays to his size as compared to someone like Tank Dell or Tyreek Hill who are typical guys brought up when talking about Worthy.  But both those guys both play bigger than their frame and are stronger for their size than Worthy is.  

     

    So where my concern comes from is the WR room makeup overall.  We are a team who already has 3 guys in Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid who are going to all be commanding Slot snaps...adding a WR in the draft who played 40% of his snaps in the slot and has not shown great deep ball skills makes me a bit concerned about the how these guys blend together.  

     

    Again, if we end up taking him first, I won't be pissed, but I will be concerned on where we are going to get size and toughness from on our offense outside Allen when the weather gets bad and the games get more physical in the playoffs.  

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  6. 6 minutes ago, alg said:

    I rarely post, but feel I owe the community an outlandish projection. And I have earned the right.

    - KNEW that Allen was the Josh before the pick when 90% of this board had Rosen.

    - Picked Oliver as the target.

    - Sorta knew Kinnkaid was the man.

    - Strongly believed Diggs would be traded even though everyone claimed the cap was a no-go.

    - IDK, I may be in Beane's head ... that's why I need to type this. With that out of the way:

     

    Setting the stage:

    - Most teams now regard Malik Nabers as the #1 WR

    - MHJ dropped a bit due to non-combine participation.

    - Rome is showing up on more mocks out of the top 10.

    - AZ is going to cash in on a trade-down.

    - And if AZ doesn't, the Chargers will.

    - LAC could go WR, but almost everyone expects Joe Alt.

    - The Giants likely shut out of QB convo, will go WR

    - TN is all about an OT. Maybe like LAC.

    - Bills signed L Collins.

    - Diggs was not the only player feeling their oats on Twitter. D Dawkins was there too with his predictions. And post-season, with the googly eyes hoping he would get his extension. 3x20m.

    - LAC wants to move down, and TN needs OT too.

     

    The Terms:

    - If the Bills believe they have a replacement on the roster for Dawkins, he will be used as trade bait for LAC/TN.

    - Bills could then make that trade without exhausting this and next year's draft capital.

    - 28, 60, 2025 2nd for 1.5/7 + 4th.

     

    Projection:

    - 1-4 QB

    - LAC - Joe Alt

    - NYG select - Nabers, a diva in waiting. He will make Diggs and his passive-aggressive antics look like a straight-shooting choirboy.

    - Bills via TN - MHJ.

     

    I may be overestimating Dawkins' return. And of course, misreading the tea leaves. But that is my Mighty Kreskin moment for the 2024 NFL Draft.

     

     


    So what are you saying the offer is exactly because it looks like you’re saying Dawkins plus a bounty of picks still.

  7. 36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

     

    The crazy thing is that he's sort of a Khalil Shakir comp.    6' tall T-Rex armed slot receiver who has transitioned gradually more outside and put up big numbers.    Maybe @Alphadawg7 is selling Khalil way short.  ;)    And truth is........guys who compare to St. Brown basically never turn into anything at the NFL level.   His list of physical comps is a bunch of players who never made it.

     

     

     

     

    The NFL is always evolving, and as I think as it does players and the attributes they are able to succeed with will too.  And while certain attributes may not be ideal, the right player who has that extra something to get there, over come, and reach their potential can still succeed at high levels.  And I do very much think Shakir has that extra something to get the most out of his talent.  

     

    Also, I love St. Brown and his story.  I knew he was gonna be a star and was my kind of player when I watched him on Hard Knocks between how he finished hot the season before, how hard he trained and worked out with his dad, and how he knew every WR drafted ahead of him and had that chip on his shoulder.   Which he very much did and helped me win some championships that year in fantasy as I targeted him and got him in most my leagues.  

     

    Will Shakir get to his level...I don't know, but I do know that I wouldn't count him out on doing so either.  

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  8. 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    They are in a no lose position because they trade back or they get Marvin Harrison (or possibly Nabers as some think they prefer him). If I were them I wouldn't do the Giants trade down. I'm only interested in getting a major haul to give up Harrison. But they may well decide otherwise. 

     

    I also don't think Mitchell gets to #20 either. But half a chance Arnold might and I'd have been interested in him there too. Was more just an example of how you have to play the draft as it goes not as you think it will go. Because there are always surprises.

     

    Yeah, totally agree. Honestly what AZ does at 4 starts to get impacted even with what Commanders do at 2 and then again with what NE does at 3.  Its 100% gonna come down how the draft falls at the top in how AZ handles their pick and how aggressive other teams are to get to their pick based on what QB gets there.  

     

    Gonna be a fun draft, and I also agree on Arnold.  All in all, AZ IMHO is setup maybe the best of any team in this draft this year between where they pick and how many picks they have coming in that are in first 3 rounds.  

  9. With the 21st pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select:  Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia

     

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    Look, we are the fastest team in the NFL, but we also know our QB Tua is kind of a little soft princess where if he can't get to his early reads he turns back into a pumpkin.  All this speed means nothing if we can't get our soft as Charmin 1 read QB some time to throw the ball because if we have to rely on his improvisation skills one more season then all of us on the coaching staff and FO are gonna be trying to start OnlyFan foot fetish accounts next year to pay the bills.  Our DL is full of guys who may not start in the XFL, let alone start in the NFL, but all the guys we would consider here were off the board.  So the choice was easy to go get a mammoth of a man to protect our Oompa Lumpa of a QB so he has a chance to not suck and blow 4 game divisional leads late in the season and actually beat teams with a .500 or better record. 

     

    @stinky fingerand the Philadelphia Piss Drunk Eagles are on the clock.  Here is comedian Artie Lange telling one of the funniest and best Eagles fan stories of all time for context:

     

     

     

     

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  10. 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

    With the 20th pick in the 2024 TSW Mock Draft version 3.0, brought to you in association with @Virgil Sports and Media Enterprises, the Arizona Cardinals select:

     

    Quinyon Mitchell, Cornerback, Toledo

     

    I didn't necessarily plan to trade up here but watching the board as all those offensive tackles, quarterbacks, wide receivers and defensive linemen went it became very apparent to me that the value on the board was at corner - where it just so happens the Cardinals have a huge hole. They signed Sean Murphy-Bunting in free agency who is just about serviceable to play one side, but Starling Thomas V, a former UDFA out of UAB is the presumptive starter at the other spot. They need an upgrade. Mitchell is the top corner on my board and has the potential to develop into an elite corner in the NFL with his size, speed and competitiveness. Trading up 7 spots for him while swapping one of my three thirds for a fourth was a no-brainer. 

     

    I think what is most interesting about this scenario is @Alphadawg7 did the Cardinals in v2.0, traded back at both picks and ended up with Odunze and Wiggins. I've stood pat at #4 and traded up and snagged Harrison and Mitchell. Both scenarios I think would make Arizona better immediately. Proof that there are multiple ways to play it and you have to let the way the board falls drive your decision making over and above getting fixated on players or positions. 

     

    The aforementioned @Alphadawg7 and the Miami Dolphins are now on the clock.

     

    Yeah both scenarios would be a great draft for Arizona...my only issue is with it is that I don't think Mitchell gets to the 20th pick.  

     

    But the net of both our moves were a little more different:  In yours you got MHJ and Mitchell and have 2 thirds left and 1 fourth.  In mine, I got Odunze and Wiggins and have 5 thirds (4 of them early thirds) and two early 4th round picks.  And if that trade really happened between AZ and Giants, AZ likely gets more than what I took in that mock because of the bidding war will drive the price up for a QB.  

     

    So I would still prefer to the trade backs if I am AZ, but either way, if the draft went the way it did for you, it would still be stellar and something they would be excited about.  

  11. 52 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    I thought (I could be wrong) that NFL.com used the official data from the combine.  They typically lack data from players who didn't participate in drills at the combine, for example, even if data from their college pro days is out there.  Of course a typo is possible anywhere, I guess.

     

    I'm not paying so much attention to his height and weight, as to his scouting report because Zierlein usually says stuff I nod about if I come back to it in a couple years.  I "get it" that there's an argument to be made for BPA, but taken to its extreme obviously you could wind up with a team full of DE and no DT or something.  So "need" has to crawl into there somehow.

    Like many here, my perception of the Bills current best receivers (Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir) is that all of them do their best work with a free release, and none of them are at their best trying to win a release against press man on the boundary.  Samuel can do it, but I think I read his most recent years have been ~75% of his snaps from the slot.  Shakir can play on the boundary but at best "he has to demonstrate" against press man and his short arms handicap him there.

     

    IMO, we really have lacked someone with the tools to win against "sticky" physical coverage even with Diggs on the team the last couple of years and it's cost us in playoffs.  It certainly cost us in 2019 when our top receivers were 5'10 John Brown and 5'8" Cole Beasley, and Allen wound up directing critical throws to Duke Williams and Pat DiMarco in the playoffs 'cuz Brown and Beasley were being erased.

     

    So when I read stuff like " lacks play strength and release quickness to defeat a quality NFL press" and "lacks the physical tools to catch when contested and needs to prove he can hold up to a more physical brand of football" as well as "needs to improve efficiency and quickness getting off the ball.  Lack of hand strength gets him bullied on contested catches......Takes reps off when he’s not expecting the throw to come his way......Fails to adjust his speed to ball placement consistently enough." I have a hard time seeing him as the right match of "need-adjusted BPA" or whatever it is being called now.

     

    Of course, as Beane has pointed out, there are different ways to fill needs, so if he falls to us and we've rated him as BPA because they have enthusiasm for his potential, So Be It but I'm going to have uncomfortable CJ Spiller flashbacks if the Bills trade up for the guy.
     

    I honestly can't pretend to know enough about college football to have a meaningful personal opinion about who we should draft, but I do have views about where the Bills current roster has shown itself lacking the previous season and likely to lack after new-league-year roster moves.

     

     

     

     

     

    This is exactly my concerns with Worthy.  One of our biggest issues is that our offense has NOT been suited for tough physical games, especially in bad weather.  We want an outdoor stadium then you better have a team that excels in the bad weather if you want that to be an advantage and not a disadvantage.  When the howling winds, rain, snow, etc come the first thing that gets negated is speed and the first thing that gets magnified if toughness and physical play.  If we already had some size and strength on this team, then great, go get that elite speed guy.  But we don't, not even at RB.

     

    I just feel like come late season and postseason, we need more toughness than just Josh Allen.  

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  12. 3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Not according to nfl.com draft profiles

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/xavier-worthy/3200574f-5274-1496-c9ca-5c4709faa05b

     

    Same point though


    if you google “How tall is Xavier Worthy” his height he’s 6’-1” every where else though.  So not sure what’s accurate, but during combine the big knock was being over 6 feet tall and weighing 164 pounds. Here is a couple for example

     

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4683062/xavier-worthy
     

    https://texassports.com/sports/football/roster/xavier-worthy/12556

     

    Either way, he’s still a stick figure though as you said.

  13. 22 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:


    It’s either BTJ, Worthy or trade down imo if they don’t go way up 

     

    Only way I can see them go way up is if Odunze/Nabers gets to at least 12.  And there are paths for that to happen.  

     

    I think BTJ is very likely a target and one they would go up and get.  I hope we don't move up for Worthy though.  If we take Worthy at 28, fine, but I am not a fan of moving up for someone who has real question marks if his light frame can hold up to a WR1 role for 17 games and playoffs.  Will he even be able to get off the line in snow/bad weather games in Buffalo when the game gets more physical and slower?  LOVE the idea of his speed, but I fear his best traits are vulnerable to what comes with playing in Buffalo.  

  14. 1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

    I can't dream that big because I can't figure out a way to come up with the draft capital and money.  

     

    But I have come up with a path for DHop. Tenn could be tempted to grab Rome at #7 (which is unrealistically high for the Bills to get to).  This would make DHop and his paltry $13M salary expendable (if he isn't already). Tenn just spent big bucks on Ridley and drafted a 1st round WR last year.

     

    I love the idea of pairing DHop with the speedster X Worthy.  But I think to get Worthy the Bills may have to do Beane's usual small move up.  Maybe not even that small - they may have to move ahead of Miami.

     

    1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

     

    Good point on Miami  

     

    As I said before...I HOPE Miami takes Worthy, would be one of the worst moves they could make and I would love every second of it.  I assure you it will result in the firing of the whole regime a year from now.  With a better roster than they have now, and the fastest roster in the NFL the past 2 seasons they have only beaten 2 teams who had a winning record, blew a 4 game lead in the division with like 5 games to go, and haven't won a playoff game.  

     

    Their trenches are a total mess now and there will be great prospects on both sides of the trenches at 21.  Taking a guy who is going to be WR3 and maybe get 30-40 receptions this year (unless injuries give him more opportunities) is not changing anything for them.  

     

    As it is, they are staring down the barrel of missing the playoffs (which they barely made last year) this year.  Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Texans, Bengals are all there...then you got Jets, Jags, Steelers, Browns, Colts, and maybe Chargers who will also all likely at least make some playoff noise if not flat out make the playoffs.  

     

    Nothing will be funnier to me than seeing Miami take Worthy and McDoofus show he has no idea how to build a football team outside of Madden.  

  15. 1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

     

    If we do this, I hope we trade up again in the 2nd for Coleman or Legette or Polk. Pair the speedy small WR with the big bodied contested catch specialist. I don't care if it means we have barely any picks on day three and have to give up one of our 2nds next year. Get two physical studs that win in different ways and put them on the field with Josh Allen for the next 5+ years, and the rest will figure itself out.

     

    Sadly, if we move up for any WR in the first there is very little chance...I would say almost no chance...we take another WR in the 2nd.  We have some many other positions we need to address and we don't have a 3rd plus we will be without whatever other picks we included to move up in the first.  

     

    If we stay at 28 and take Worthy, then maybe they would go WR in 2nd too (and I would be pounding the table hard for Polk if we were to take a WR in the 2nd), but still without a 3rd and badly needing to address a couple other areas, I just highly doubt we go WR - WR even without trading up in rounds one and 2.  

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  16. 1 hour ago, Logic said:


    Thanks for this.

    I don't view Legette as having the highest bust risk at all.

    I think Adonai Mitchell has a far higher risk of busting than Legette.

    Legette suffered through injuries, motorcycle accident, etc, all throughout college. When finally healthy, he posted 1200+ yards and 7 TDs in the SEC. He is known to have an exceptional work ethic.

    Mitchell's career BEST year saw him post 845 yards and 11 TDs. He doesn't have the injuries to fall back on that Legette had, either. And whereas Legette's work ethic is lauded, the word on Mitchell is that he takes plays off when the ball isn't coming his way.

    Give me the guy who was hurt a bunch, but who -- when healthy -- put together an excellent year of production the SEC over the guy who, despite having all-world measurables, never posted even 850 yards receiving in a given season.

    I could even argue that I feel Brian Thomas Jr has a higher bust potential than Legette, but there's no need to open that can of worms, too.

    At the end of the day, I think it's all personal preference and "Beauty in the eye of the beholder". We've all talked circles around these prospects for three months. Time for the draft to just get here, so that we can see how NFL teams feel about these guys.


     


    I agree on Mitchell.  And end of day, we all have our draft crushes this time of year, it’s what makes the draft so interesting.  
     

    My 2 top targets outside the big 3 are Thomas and McConkey personally.

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  17. 1 hour ago, Logic said:

    Just came here to say that Xavier Legette being ranked as a "back half of round 1 player" is not at all controversial, shocking, or worthy of scorn.

    Scouts are higher on him than the draft community.

    We all become completely certain of things because the draft analysis community tells us these things over and over and over again and we take it as gospel. But year after year after year, they're wrong about a lot of things.

    Remember the year Ryan Nassib came out and many had him mocked in the first round? Scores and scores of mock drafts had him as a 1st round or, at worst, 2nd round player. He went in the 4th.

    That's just one random example, but there are TONS of them.

    So just because the mock draft industry told you that Legette won't go at, say, pick 22, doesn't mean he won't. Just because they say Brian Thomas Jr is absolutely the 4th best WR prospect doesn't mean they're right.

    Furthermore, if "only one year of notable production in college" is the reason we're writing Legette off, then lets please also write off Brian Thomas Jr and Adonai Mitchell and the majority of the other good WR prospects, please and thank you. There are a lot of one-year-wonders this year, and not all of them even have the medical justifications that Legette has.

    Dude's gonna be a baller. Watch.

     

    I agree with your overall point...but here is a counter point too:  Every year there are guys who are big and run fast in shorts at the combine who get over drafted over the potential of what that means despite not having the college resume to support the draft slot.  

     

    Legette has sky high potential, but he also has probably the most risk of the guys expected to go in first 2 rounds.  I don't think he is ready to be a complete WR1 at the next level and has a lot to work on that could take a couple seasons before you know what you have in him long term.  Which is why I like some other guys in the first over him.  

     

    My stance is...I won't hate the pick if he is who we take in the first, his potential is still exciting...but I will be cautiously optimistic on year 1 expectations to say the least.  I would feel more comfortable taking him in the 2nd though, again, he does have elite potential, it is just that he also proabably has the highest bust risk too.  

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  18. 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

    He lost me with Xavier Leggette as round 1 and the 4th receiver on the board over Brian Thomas Jr. I've watched a lot of these and nobody has ever been that high on Leggette. It reminds me of when Chris Trepasso had Mason Rudolph as his QB1 and said he would be the next Marino. I think these guys try to be controversial on purpose so if it pans out then they look smart 

     

    Yeah, I am pretty skeptical he goes first round.  Thomas is clear WR4 for me, and I think McConkey, Mitchell, Franklin, and Worthy are gonna likely go (in no particular order) before him.  Then, again in on particular order, you still have Coleman, Pearsall, Wilson, Corley, Polk (who I am hearing is one of the drafts biggest risers leading up to Thursday), McMillan, etc who are all going to have a good shot at going round 2 as well along with Legette.  

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  19. 1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

    I think that they are going to do it, if Mike McDaniel gets his way. There were reports that the Fins staff all went to Austin to look at Sweat on Texas' pro day, but that McDaniel spent all day drooling over Worthy. 

     

    As the GM of the Dolphins in the TSW v3.0 Mock there is no F-ing way I am taking Worthy even though I am fully aware they might actually be that dumb on draft night.  So I definitely agree he is a legit option at 21 on draft night because McDaniel is a buffoon who has no clue how to build a football team.  Personally, I think McDaniel is fired after this year as I don't see them making playoffs.  Teams like Bengals, Jets, Steelers, Browns, Chargers, Colts and some others all have a legit shot at being better this year and being or challenging to be a playoff team.  Then you still got Chiefs, Bills, Houston, Ravens, Jags, etc.  

     

    Miami barely made it last year and choked the division away with a stronger roster than they will have this year.  So to use a first round pick on a guy who will be penciled in as your WR3 this year with Hill and Waddle there would be just stupid unless they are trading one of Hill or Waddle.  They are so bad in the trenches, and its going to be their achilles heal this year.  

     

    None of this is about Worthy who I think will go first round.  Its about the Dolphins make up of their team and how taking Worthy for them is a Madden team building move, not an NFL team building move that will probably get this regime fired a year from now when they go down as the fastest team in history to not make the playoffs.  

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  20. 8 minutes ago, H2o said:

    With the 11th pick, in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select....... Byron Murphy II, Defensive Tackle, Texas. 

     

    After Daniels was off the board at #3, there was no QB worth trading up for in our eyes. The defense, however, does need some work as well. We take whom we feel is the best DT in this draft. A guy who will slot in as a 5-Tech in base sets, and a 3-Tech when we go into our 4 man fronts. He gets after it on the interior, having had 6 sacks and generating 36 pressures this past season. He is also stout against the run. A true 3-down interior defender. Brian Flores rejoices. 

     

     

    Side note: Been so busy at work today I missed my chance at trading up for Daniels, who was my guy. C'est last vie. 

     

    @HappyDays and the Bears are on the clock.

     

    Nice pick, I think Murphy is coming off the board much earlier than people think and will be either the first or 2nd defender to come off the board.  He is popular mock to Bengals at 18 or Seattle at 16 (I think there is no way he gets past Seattle though) but I think he might go as high as 8 to Falcons (assuming they don't have their first round stripped in next couple of days for tampering) or possibly 9 to Bears.  

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  21. 59 minutes ago, Brandon said:

     

    I'm not saying it's particularly smart,  but they do seem to be showing a good deal of interest in him. 

     

    Oh yeah, my comment wasn't at all directed like at you personally, I get its because they are showing interest in him, others think he is possibility there.  My post was 100% really about how stupid the Dolphins front office would be if they do it.

  22. 4 hours ago, Brandon said:

     

    I wouldn't be surprised if Worthy goes as early as to the Dolphins at 21.   Even if he goes in the 2nd,  the Bills would have to blow their draft pick load to get Odunze and wouldn't have much left in this draft or the next to use to acquire another 2nd. 

     

    While its possible they do take him at 21...I would say that if the Dolphins draft Worthy at 21 they should immediately fire the GM before their next pick.

     

    Lets Recap:  

    • Dolphins have one of the best, and some would say arguably the best, WR duos in the NFL in Hill and Waddle.
    • Dolphins are the fastest team in the NFL both at WR and RB and fastest offense overall.  Elite speed at both positions.

    Despite all of this, in the last years the Dolphins have failed to win their division, even with a 4 game lead late in the season, have failed to win a playoff game, and have only won 2 games against teams with a .500 or better record in 2 seasons.

     

    So why is that?  Despite all that speed, most in the NFL, the offense is easily defensible by simply disrupting Tua's early reads.  There is no way adding Worthy makes any difference to this teams fortunes.  They are not going to be able to get teams off the field on defense, and on offense, with Worthy as a 3rd WR he won't help Tua when his OL stinks and teams keep disrupting Tua and taking away all the speed advantage they have.

     

    Now add in:

    • Dolphins OL is a mess
    • Dolphins lost everyone who matters in their front 7 and DL is a bigger mess than OL

    Like I would literally absolutely fire the GM the moment Worthy's name was announced...not a knock on Worthy at all, its about Miami needs and team makeup where.  Worthy is a god awful pick for them to use their first round pick on as he will be essentially a WR3 on their team that has massive holes in the trenches.  There will be some really good OL guys on the board at 21.  

     

    I PRAY this happens, I will laugh so hard and I promise you it would be the end of this coaching staff and front office by next offseason.  

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  23. 52 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

    With the 7th pick of the 2024 TSW draft, the Tennessee Titans select:  Joe Alt, OT, ND.

     

    The most boring pick ever and the football equivalent of broccoli.  Should help us realize that even behind great blocking and decent WR weapons that Levis is not the answer.

     

    The Atlanta Falcons @CNYfan are on the clock.

     

    IMHO this pick is almost as much of a lock as Caleb to Chicago if he is on the board (Chargers could snag him at 5 though if the smoke about Harbaugh wanting to focus on the trenches first has legs and they don't trade back).  Titans probably already have the card filled out ha

    8 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

    With the 8th Pick in the Stadium wall Mock Draft the Atlanta Falcons select Edge Rusher Dallas Turner Alabama.

     

    After spending serious capital and resources on the Offense over the past years the Falcons draft someone who should help their Defense.  They had Turner in their sites all along unless someone fell unsuspectedly. 

    They are happy in Atlanta.   

     

    The Chicago Bears and @HappyDays are on the clock

     

    Nice, I think the pick is either Byron Murphy or Dallas Turner myself too.  Personally, I have a feeling its gonna be Murphy, but if not then it will likely be Turner.  Both would be good picks for them as they need to address the whole DL.  

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