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At least it didnt take as long for him to unretire this time...
I knew as soon as his ankle was better he would come back...no surprise that he is going next week to see his doctor to drag this out long enough to miss as much of camp as possible.
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Your reading comprehension, much like your spelling, is poor. Not once did I say they should have gotten anything for him. They should have planned for life without him and they didn't!
Let me try to spell it out for you (pun intended for BillyMadison7). WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO RUSH THE PASSER NOW THAT SCHOBEL IS GONE???
Maybin looks good in the first week of camp blowing by D Bell and the rest of the practice squders that the Bills throw out there a tackle....OOHHH JOOOY!!!!!!
Who is on the other side....Kelsay?? Now your stupid LMAO is appropriate here! Mitchell.......ummmm no! Batten...PLEASE!!!
I'm not saying that Schobel is a great pass rusher but he's the only one the Bills have. And hoping that Maybin is going to go from Clark Kent to Superman because he's playing OLB in a 3-4 is well...pure fantasy. He's playing behind a career journeyman in Torbor and while I've read that he looks quick, I've also read that he's getting bent in half against the run. And last time I checked, quickness doesn't equate to anything without technique, strength or size.
Carrington was a decent draft pick but to expect sacks out of a 3-4 end is more fantasy. Obviously he'll push the pocket and create better lanes for our OLB's... if the Bills had any...
AlphaDouche7, why didn't Buddy pull the trigger on Schobel 4 months ago if he didn't think he was going to play? Why did he leave the door open for him? I agree with you, he has no value. So what was the advantage to keeping him around if they were going to cut him anyway? I would really like you to answer this, but back it up with something other than pure conjecture.
I love how you live up to your last name in every post...
Anyway, I will answer your question as it is pretty obvious and clear (and even been said by Nix publicly), so I assume thats why you dont see it. Nix left the door open to him to play for 2 reasons. One, he can still play, maybe not to the level he once did, but he still has value when on the field. Two, and most importantly, he was good player for this team for a long time and already under contract and the team showed respect for that. There was NO REASON to cut him if he was going to show up to camp and play.
Nix even said publicly that IF he showed up to camp the door was open to him for a return. And lets be honest here, judging by Schobels comments this seems a heck of a lot more about him trying to find a way to skip as much of camp as possible alla Brett Favre. Nix and company were not having it and even publicly said that the other guys are in here working hard (and also showing a lot of promise) learning the NEW system. Lets not forget Schobel has never played in a 3-4.
So, the door was open to a long time good player for this team to return as long as he was willing to come in and work like the rest of the team. When that wasnt going to happen, they moved on.
PS: They are not going to fill every hole on this team in one draft! They went out and added a lot of promising young talent to this team, and Carrington thus far is looking like he could be a real contributor early.
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Have you seen his sack totals? I kicked the guy when he was down but when he was healthy he was a 8 - 12 sack guy. That can't be ignored. He was an impact player on our team and could have been so on another if not at the very least a valuable contributor.
Have you read or listened to any of his interviews? He has said publicly more than once that he lost a step last year and cant do the things he used to be able to do. He also said he doesnt practice, train, or prepare hard. What kind of market do you think there is for an aging vet not willing to put the practice or training hard who publicly claims he lost a step and lost some desire to play all together and still makes $8 million a year?
Seiously, what is with the fans of this board? Its like they have all made too many trades in their Madden games and just think they can get whatever they want for players. No one was going to give up any value for him, probably not even a late round pick.
So the front office had to choose to keep this cloud over camp to try and turn over every stone to maybe get a 6th or 7th round pick for him (which they most likely wouldnt have) or cut him and move on. The RIGHT move was to cut him and move on, this young team doesnt need a cancerous situation like this.
I love this move, it says a clear message to the team that no one is above everyone else. Either you come in a compete or you wont be here, plain and simple.
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The first BIG MISTAKE was assuming that Schobel was coming back. Buddy expected to get one more productive year out of Schobel as the teams primary pass rusher. Well that's not going to happen.
The second BIG MISTAKE was not having a backup plan and drafting a legit pass rusher. In the 1st round he passed on legit pass rushers like Morgan, Graham, Pierre Paul. In the 2nd round he passed on Kindle. In the later rounds, he passed on Griffen, Norwood and Sapp. Am I saying that all of them will be All Pros, NO! But they would've all contributed this year and the majority of them are better than anyone the Bills have at OLB.
When you look at the great 3-4's, it's all about the NT and the OLB's. Over the years, tandems like Woodley and Harrison and Timmons (Dominated the Cards Oline in the SB), Phillips and Merriman , Ware and Spencer, Porter and Taylor, Vrable and McGinest dominated opposing offensive lines and disrupted passing games.
Even teams who run a 4-3 understand that the NFL is a passing league and you need great pass rushers to get anywhere. The last 3 Super Bowls were played by teams who have Freeney/Mathis, Will Smith, Harrison/Wodley, Tuck/Mathias K/Osi/Strahan (And they just drafted Pierre Paul). Look at what Allen and Edwards do in Minny!!!!! Or the difference guys like Mathews and Dumerville make on their teams.
So what did Buddy do to improve what I think is the 2nd most important position (pass rusher wherever it comes from) in the NFL today? NOTHING! And now the Bills best pass rusher over the last decade is sick of the ineptitude that the Bills show year after year and says "no thanks" to 6 mill.
Good job Buddy! The Bills may not have anyone to rush the QB but they do have 3 solid RB's!! (And a terrible O-line to boot!) Isn't the NFL a passing league!?!?! Wouldn't it make sense to load up on pass rushers the way the Steelers do every year? Way to count on the dynamic duo of Maybin and Kelsay. Brady, Henne and Sanchez thank you!
LMAO at this lame rant that doesnt even make sense. One, they said they were prepared to move on with out Schobel, but if he would be welcomed back if he reported by camp. So, where do you get your idea that we were expecting to get one more good year out of him?
Second, WHO CARES ABOUT GETTING ONE MORE GOOD YEAR out of an aging vet when you are a rebuilding team in the first place. Schobel was NEVER going to make or break this team.
Third, did you not watch the draft? We drafted Carrington, plus already had Maybin in line as young prospects to replace him. And thus far, Maybin has been showing a lot of explosion in a lot reports in camp and Carrington has had nothing but rave reviews.
Fourth, Schobel self admited that he doesnt work hard in practice, in training, or the weight room. Thats not the kind of mentality and work ethic needed around our young talent.
Fifth, you have your panties in a wad over a missed opportunity to AT BEST get a very late round draft pick even if we could move him, which we probably cant anyway. No one was going to give up anything of real value for a guy who is on the fence about playing, has an $8 million dollar contract, is on the downside of his career (he said himself he lost a step in a recent interview), and has never played in the 3-4.
Finally, NIX GOT THIS RIGHT! He kept the door open, but Schobel chose to basically drag it out and avoid camp. Nix and Chan said no way...our guys are here working hard and earning a spot. So rather than wait for Schobel to pull his best Favre impression and miss camp, they made the decision for him. They are not going to be able to move him, so they just ended the saga now NOT MISSING OUT ON ANY PERCIEVED VALUE YOU WANT TO CREATE IN YOUR HEAD as there was no market for him.
I love how fans on here just assume we chose to get no value and didnt at least explore trade interest because so fool didnt tweet about it.
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Maybe, I missed something? When were there accurate accounts that we could have traded down?
Nix stated they had people contact them about trading into our place but we were not interested.
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Ryan Longwell who has been a teammate and friend of Favres for more than a decade told the media that he spoke to Brett today and there was no indication he was retiring. Seems to me that if Brett was set to retire and texting teammates that he would have said something to his long time friend and current teammate on their call today. Not to mention he hasnt even informed his coach or team of his intention to retire, so I find it hard to believe he informed a few random players but not his long time friend Longwell, the coaching staff, or the front office.
I have serious doubts that he truly is retiring and wouldnt be surprised if a lot of this is to justify missing more of camp which we all know he hates.
Even if his ankle is not responding the way he wants, as soon as it feels better he is going to want and expect to play again.
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We all know that drafting a QB in the top 10 costs a team a ton of money, especially upfront money. We know that are owner isn't the most free-spending owner in the world. We also know that there will be a new CBA come hell or high water, that will adjust rookie salaries.
Could it be that the Bills are waiting for the new rookie cap in order to go get their QB? Just a thought I had, knowing what we know.
BTW 5-11 this year... oh well
If some of you with posts like this would stop and use a little common sense and think about what you are about to post you would realize how rediculous it is and not post it.
There is 100% definitive proof that what you just posted is not remotely true. Do you even realize that? Did you watch the draft past the#9 pick?
The ONLY QB who seiously had a chance to go top 10 was Cluassen. Buffalo chose not to take Claussen and go with who they viewed as the best player in the entire draft, especially on offense (our weakest unit). Then we chose NOT to draft Claussen AGAIN in the 2nd round where we could have had a price that would still be MUCH cheaper than what a first round QB would cost next year no matter what happens with the CBA. So there you have it...definitive proof that passing on Claussen at 9 was not a financial move.
However, there is even MORE definitive proof...we also know that we had offers to trade DOWN which Nix and Chan both said they were not interested in. So, if it was REALLY about money then we would have moved down and grabbed someone else.
The bottom line is this...At QB, we already had a highly regarded prospect just 2 years removed from college in Brohm and another QB that the staff was intrigued by in Trent. You cant fill every hole on a team like this in one offseason. So they decided to bring guys in at other spots first and see what we have in our QB crops when a real offense is installed. Why is this such a hard concept to understand, I mean its even been publicly stated numerous times by Chan, Nix, etc.
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Watch for the Vick to Vikes rumors...With the rookie QB really impressing in Phi, I wouldnt be surprised if he gets linked to Minn as we get deeper into the preseason and Favre still has not come back.
Personally, I think Favre eventually comes back, he is the poster child for waffler.
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Thank you, I woke up this morning totally perplexed and nervous about this whole thing. I was starting to get worried, even afraid to get on my computer, and even more scrared to open up this page. I didnt know it was going to affect me so much and keep me so on the edge. I had a cup of coffee to try and calm my nerves, but it just made me pace more. I quickly realized that I had to just check, there was no way around it. I had to address the fear that was paralyzing my morning...
So I turned on my computer while on the edge of my seat...nervously clicked on the favorites tabbed marking this page, and BOOM there it was! I was terrified that no one would start yet another daily thread today on Spiller not being signed, but you came through big time with your thread and all was calm...so thank you for turning my world right side up again by starting the same thread thats been posted about 100 times since he was drafted...One can only hope my fears are relieved again tomorrow morning and someone else will start the 101st thread on this or I dont know what I will do...
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Hey guys, long time follower, first time poster...
Maybe its just me, but I don't read into this as Brohm had a good day, but one good series, in 7-on-7 play. I believe CB wrote "this was one of Brohms better series" Now, one good series does not make a good day, lets see him string together a couple good series, with a full defense on the field, before we anoint him.
Apparently you missed the sentence about Brohm leading into the statement about that series.
"But there was also a quarterback that had arguably his best practice in camp."
The comments on that series were just some specifics to support the statement of it being one of his best days in camp.
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The team didn't say "report tomorrow or be released." As JW reports, they told him he didn't have the option of reporting!
This spin about Nix being a non-nonsense guy is ridiculous. Someone made the decision that they didn't want to pay the $8 million contract (a reasonable decision) and they moved on. Now there's no way out other than hoping he stays retired, or cutting him if he doesn't.
My argument -- which many people on this board reasonably object to as unreasonable (others not so reasonably) -- is that we should have identified Schobel being released and playing somewhere else in 2010 as a worst case scenario and been more active in the offseason in an effort to move him.
Now we're in the untenable position of pretending he'll be traded when everyone knows that's impossible.
What are you talking about? Schobel had all offseason to make his mind up and Nix, Chan, and the rest of the FO made it clear he was welcomed back and wanted back if he decided to play. They gave him the room to make his mind up and come back to the team. SCHOBEL CHOSE to drag that out and waffle on his decisions. The FO had enough and decided it was time to move on with the guys in camp busting their azz who want to be here.
None of this had anything to do with money otherwise they would have shut the door forever ago and would not have publicly said they wanted him back.
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We do? Who?
Maybin, Ellis, and Carrington have been having some good moments in camp just to name a few. Personally, I wanted Schobel back, but at the same time this is now camp and we are installing a new defense. Our guys need to be out there getting ready for the season, not holding the staff hostage while you continuously waiver on what you want to do.
Personally, I think the play, improvent, and potential of those 3 thus far in camp made the FO more confident about moving on without him. There have been lots of reports that these guys have been getting into the backfield a lot lately and making plays. Schobel will be missed for sure, but at the same time its not like we dont have young talent to develop to replace him.
In all honesty, moving on from Schobel who said he only wanted to play one more season is actually the best move for this team long term. The reason being is that our young guys will get more playing time and a better chance to develop so we know what we have going into next year.
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Nope, I meant bye bye Trent. The team rallied around Fitz last year, the same couldn't be said for Trent. As far as backups go, I would still rather have Fitz, at least he throws the ball down the field and strikes me more of a team guy. Maybe why his teammates rallied around him and supported him last year. So that is what I meant, bye bye Trent! don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
I get what you are saying, and a month ago would have totally agreed with you. However, now I really dont think there is any scenario where Trent gets cut before week 1 unless he goes out and has awful showings in the preseason. Here is why:
1. Trent has clearly been the more ready QB thus far as indicated by his QB1 listing to start camp. Its now his job to lose more than his job to win.
2. Fitz is not having a good camp, even TG noted as much in his camp report that he has been throwing a lot of picks and struggling.
3. Brohm has shown a lot of improvement and has more upside than Fitz
4. Fitz makes the most money
5. All reports seem to point to Trent improving out there as a leader and running the offense.
6. Most importantly, this is a new staff, new season, and new philosophy. Chan and company have stated multiple times that they dont care about last year and are evaluating on what the see right now.
So, even though I still have major doubts about Trent myself, the staff seems to like his progress thus far. Personally, I need to see Trent do it in the regular season and with some consistency before my opinnion changes. And thus far the reports seem to show Brohm and Trent pulling away from Fitz and I think ultimately he is the odd man out regardless if Trent or Brohm win the starting gig.
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Except that his link was valuable.... and your commentary was not. Thanks.
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This thread is hilarious...I especially love how some negative nancies on here are trying to make it about Ralph being cheap again because they feel they havent spun that broken record enough. This clearly had nothing to do with that, but some of you just cant help yourselves.
I actually think this was a great move by the FO even though I wanted to see Schobel back. This Farve like hostage situation he put us doesnt help us. He had plenty of time to get his mind made up and into camp. Chan is here to make his mark and so is Nix. We have lots of young talent than can fill his spot that are out there putting in the time in the new look defense.
So rather than let this drag on out, the FO made his mind up for him. I have always liked Schobel and I still think he can be a good player for this team, but at the same time this defense needs to move forward. Especially since this is a brand new defense and our guys need as much time in it as possible.
I would expect some interest from some contenders, especially the Texans, for a possible trade at some point if he doesnt stay retired. I seriously doubt we will cut him, especially since Nix said there was no plan to outright cut him.
I just find it funny that so many of the regular negative posters on here want to spin this into something about Ralph being cheap or as evidence this organization is a joke. Because this was the right move and a big statement to the team of the no nonesense approach that Nix and Chan are trying to install. Everyone needs to put the work in and show the commitment or the bus is leaving without them.
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That is subject to interpretation. There was Bradford, Okung, Williams, Davis, D McNabb, Clausen ?, Gaither, J Brown, Gaither,....
The list goes on and on. They have had plenty of chances to make a move. Plan and simple they haven't
Did you just not pay attention this offseason or what? We made offers for some of those guys and some of those other guys were never remotely available or possible for us to obtain. I get you can do whatever you want on your Madden game, but in the NFL things work a little differently as there is that pesky thing that you need the other party to agree...
Why dont you just add Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Chis Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald to your make believe list too as many of those people on there were about as obtainable as some of these guys.
And clearly not many teams were very high on Claussen as he fell a looooonnnngggg way and was passed on by every team and some twice by people who get paid a ton of money to evaluate players...
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He was on there for one play, and it was an INT he threw that Lankster picked off...
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Levi is most likely destined for the PS and here is why. The other 3 are being given serious consideration for the #1 spot...all 3 are. So, that is a lot of reps to find for those guys and unfortunately that leaves Brown with few reps. Can he win the 3rd spot and see one of the other 3 cut, certainly, its just going to be awfully difficult to do given the likely hood he wont see much reps as we progress deeper into this QB competition.
The best thing that can happen for him will be if Brohm or Fitz really start struggling. However most reports seem to indicate that they are showing promise and right in the thick of things for QB1.
Trent most likely does not get cut in any scenario given his early progress. If Brohm shows potential and improvement (rather he wins the job or not) then they likely are reluctant to cut him even if Trent wins the QB1 job. Especially since Trent is injury prone and has a history of looking good in practice rather than the games. So, if Brohm is close in the race and Trent wins, I would think that Brohm would be kept in case Trent falters or gets hurt in the reg season.
Fitz to me is in the most danger. He doesnt seem to be doing a whole lot in camp to really serperate himself from Brohm or the other QBs and he has a much higher price tag and a lower cieling than the other 3 guys. I think he is a quality backup, but if him and Brohm are close in their grading, then Fitz to me is the odd man out given his limited upside and price tag.
So, I think Levi's best chance to make the active roster will be if Fitz either continues to not serperate himself for the other guys or just starts falling behind in the pecking order.
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First off, it will not surprise me if he holds out for a bit given his public comments about not rushing into a deal. At the same time, this is a business and this is a moment that will set him up for life. No one knows if he will be any good for sure, no one knows if will get hurt or not, etc etc. This may be his only big payday as another one isnt guaranteed. So, I dont blame him (or Maybin) for being commited to getting the right deal (within reason of course).
Second, Agents are going to come in and go way above market and the team is come in and try to get a deal for as low as they can. I am sure the team is using the fact we have 2 good RB's as leverage (I know I would) as to them not being in a rush, and I fully expect his agent wont shut up about how he was a top 3 player and the best RB and offensive weapon in the draft and should be paid accordingly.
So its not really a surprise that they are far apart right now, but I also think there is a little game of chicken being played here as each week of camp goes by someone is going to start sweating and more realistic negotiations will commence.
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you're guess would be correct....my bad...what is a good college rating, because the 110, 139 and 120 numbers would be great in the pros.
I figured that was the case, and if you didnt follow College football much you most likely would not know this. College QB rating system is completely different with many top QB's having ratings in the mid 140's to 150's.
In case you are curious to just how different the rating systems are, I will show you the difference in his ratings. Below is each year of college and the rating he had along with what the NFL QB rating would be with the exact same stats.
2004
College: 110.29
NFL: 67.96
2005
College: 139.01
NFL: 94.65
2006
College: 120.55
NFL: 76.52
PS: Pardon me if I seemed flustered in my earlier coorespondence, the threads daring to compare a struggling QB to the greats brings that out some times, lol...
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You obviously have never played a sport in your life. He didn't sucker punch him, they have pads on for a reason. I am just happy Maybin is showing some fire. Good for Hangartner, we centers don't take any SH_T!!
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Do you all what to know who the true Captain Checkdown is?...It was Jauron.
How many times did Trent say last year, when questioned, I'm just doing what
the coaches tell me to do. And behind an injured, porous Oline, with nothing
resembling an offensive plan and a head coach playing not to lose, they were
telling him get the ball out as fast as you can. There was no time for long plays
to the WRs to develop and the coaches were afraid to call inside slants. And what are you
going to do as the starting QB, disobey the head coach? Well then you'll be riding
the pine.
No disputing our offensive scheme was putrid last year...it was unquestionably awful. However, that being said, the issues that led to the name Capn Checkdown were not because of designed plays where he was to come out and get rid of the ball quick. It was dropping back looking at his first read, panicing, bringing the ball down and then dumping off DESPITE guys being open further down field. It was throwing it 2 yards on 3 and 9 rather than going for the first down when the opportunities to do so were there.
His field vision has never been strong in the NFL so far, however, that was too be expected as a young QB in his first year or two. However, last year he took a big step backwards and its like he needed glasses or something. The coaching support was awful, no doubt, so maybe a better staff now can really help him square away all the mental weaknesses that have plagued him this year.
Until he can find poise, confidence, the ability to time throws and read the defenses he will never be any good. Unfortunately, these are key areas he has regressed at during his time with the Bills. We can only hope Chan and Co. can reverse this through better coaching and game preperation...
PS: A plea to Coach Gailey: Please oh please teach him how to throw a deep pass that doesnt look like a jump ball hail mary with an hour of hang time...
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Trent Edwards looked like a leader out there. I think he deserved the nod for #1.
It might be time for all of the "brohmies" to move on. Chan seems unimpressed. Levi got more reps today than Brohm, although Brohm was declared a rotating #2.
Chan Gailey has brought a sense of toughness and discipline to camp.
Aaron god damn Maybin looks like he weighs 190 pounds!! Skinny is the word actually. He was thrown on his a$$ a few times during one on ones. On a similar note, Stroud is noticeably slimmer and Dwan Edwards looks to be in good shape.
Alex Carrington looks like a monster! I can't get over it. I can't wait to see him play.
Troup looks slightly small for a NT, but we'll have to see if he plays bigger.
Stevie Johnson looked polished. I expect him to be the #2 based on Chan's comments and the way he looks out there.
Marshawn can find a way to make standing still look difficult.
All of the safeties look like Mr. Clean.
The lack of depth at OL stood out. Aside from Eric Wood and Andy Levitre, nobody looked like a starting OLineman in 1 on 1 drills.
Poz looks like a monster. He looks like he cut up but kept the muscle.
I can't wait to see CJ!
I still like Brohm and think he has a lot of potential, however, like I have always said I will fully support Trent if Chan figures out how to mold him into a good QB. I have not been impressed with him at all and the fact that he looks good in camp is getting old too. If he can come out and lead our offense to points in the preseason I will start holding out hope again, but just looking good in practice is something I have heard often with him just to see it not translate to the games.
Every year we hear how good he looks and how the offense looks dangerous during practice (same with Roscoe). Then the season starts and all of a sudden we frequently have drives that consist of a 2 yard run, and two complete passes for 6 yards for a 3 and out punt on 4th and 2. End of game stats has Trent completing 70% of his passes but he still only has 160 yards (with only 5 total targets to our WR's all game), maybe 1 TD, a fumble, and a pick, all of which leads to a 24-13 loss.
So, if Trent can turn it around and figure out how to command a game and lead this team under Chan, then great, but I need to see it in a game before I will believe it. All I want is a good QB, I dont care who it is. I dont have a lot of faith in Trents moxy to pull this off, but hopefully Chan can bring it out of him or one of our other guys.
Aaron Schobel to be Released
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Actually, you are right about Nix and Lynch...Nix publicly stated that he had entertained offers for Lynch during the draft but they were not good enough.