Alphadawg7
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Brohm? I am so sick and tired of Bills fans thinking we can rehab other teams scrubs. You do realize that JOHN GUY (you know the assclown we finally got out of here) is the guy that suggested we get brohm right? I mean he was our pro player personnel guy and JAURON agreed to it. That right there is enough to say stay away. The guy couldn't even crack the #2 spot in Green Bay which was wide open. The guy dropped drastically in the draft and sat on the pine in GB for a reason...he isn't a quality NFL QB.
You just continue to show in thread after thread that you actually dont know anything about Brohm. This line right here perfectly illustrates my point. He sat on the pine as a rookie behind what is now a top 5 QB in this league who had been grooming for 3 years...that point alone is beyond stupid. You also realize he was only in the league 2 years now right? Rodgers sat for 3 years, they drafted Brohm and Flynn in the year they expected Rodgers to taket over. Does that make Rodgers a bumb because he sat for 3 years and they were still unsure and wasted 2, not one but 2, draft picks in the same draft including a 2nd rounder on Brohm to get quarterbacks?
Brohm slipped to the second round DESPITE having his best year as a QB his Sr. year because his defense was so bad they only won like 6 games. In that same year Flacco and Ryan shot up the boards too...Not that many teams were looking for a QB. Just like how Rodgers fell all the way down to GB the year he came out despite being a hot choice for the #1 overall pick (Alex Smith was taken instead).
Brohm deserves a shot and has as much if not more upside than any QB in this draft (who all have question marks) except he doesnt come with a huge first round pick price tag.
This broken record you keep spinning here is getting old...you clearly dont have a clue about what you are talking about, just continue to spout off at the hip. The dumbest thing you said is that he is a bumb because Guy brought him in....If we should play or cut players based who suggested them then your azz backwards logic would indicate we should keep Trent since Walsh liked him....thats how stupid your statement was.
PS: What was even dumber is your reference to Jauron signing off on Brohm considering Jauron was fired before we got him Einstein
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Agreed. He's worth as high as a second but if I were the Bills I'd offer our 3rd.
Actually he is worth a first in terms of talent...he is a top 5 WR in this league. They wont get a first, and I dont want to part with our first, but in terms of talent is an Elite player. That being said, I would be ecstatic if we got him for a 3rd and still just as estatic if we got him for a second
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If they bring in Thigpen and let him battle Brohm for the #1 spot I think Brohm will beat him out.
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Unless the Saints cheap shot manning like they did Favre, no way in hell does NO win
I wouldnt say no way in hell. Colts often had to come from behind against good teams, and the Saints are more than a good team. They are also a team you dont want to play catch up with as they are explosive.
I think the Colts should be the favorites, but slight favorites. I just dont see them as a big favorite. I think this game should be a good game and the Saints are plenty good enough to win this game.
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And now we know why you are a madden player fat guy behind a screen.
Good thing the Bills coaches and scouts don't run imaginary numbers through madden.
Trent has been the Qb when his team has won more than either of the other two players. Trents QB rating on the year and career is better. He also had at least one 300 yards game against ASU in college.
So on every single item you would be wrong.
Again, I am glad you do now make decision for our team.
Edit: And GB signed Pizzotti from the Jets PS and kept him active all the way through. If having that extra spot was so needed they would have matched the Bills on the signing of Brohm and kept him. So he was at least their 4th choice.
hahaha...dude you are crazy...I said right in my post he had ONE 300 yard game in college, probably the one you just referenced...you cant even read a post right...best part is that you act like that one 300 yard game makes him good.
Brohm has just one start...so love the "wins" comparison by you to him
....and fitz won more games than Trent did this year in his only year as a bill...So, you have yet to make a single truthful, accurate, or relevant supporting argument. I also love how you ignore all of the flaws that I pointed out...probably because they are indisputable. So until you can provide something of real substance, I see no reason to further discuss this with you.
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HoF QBs Warner is hands-down better than:
- Namath
- Bradshaw
- Griese
HoF QBs Warner is slightly better than:
- Kelly
- Moon
- Staubach
- Aikman
- Fouts
HoF QBs Warner is in the same general class as:
- Steve Young
- Joe Montana
- John Elway
- Dan Marino
As I mentioned in an earlier post, Warner has a higher career yards per attempt (7.9 vs. 7.5) a slightly higher career passer rating (93.7 vs. 92.3) and almost as many career passing yards (32,000 vs. 40,000) as Joe Montana. Warner's stats and career accomplishments clearly put him in the third (and best) category of Hall of Fame players.
Spot on...
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The same line that trent an fitz played behind and both put up better numbers. Brohm was the 4th best Qb on the Gb packers. the fact that they stashed him on the practice squad after drafting in the 2nd round means he has some serious issues.
Oh come on man...you just showed you obviously dont know what you are talking about...one, its no where near the same line that Trent played behind, not even remotely close.
Second, Brohm was not the 4th QB in GB, he was the third and only a SECOND year player.
Third, he had literally 3 days to learn our system and build rapport with our offense.
Your comparison is so freaking biased and to top it off you clearly dont know anything about Brohm other than we got him from a practice squad.
Here is a little insight for you...GB only had room for 2 QB's given their needs at other positions and obviously Rodgers was QB1 and they loved Flynn and said they felt he was more ready to play if Rodgers went down during Brohms rookie year. By year two, he had no real shot of replacing Flynn who had a full year as the number 2, especially given how high GB is on Flynn. GB, (DESPITE having Rodgers entrenched and loving Flynn) still tried to keep him when we signed him away.
Trent Edwards hasnt done anything in the NFL...and guess what, he didnt do squat in Colleger either. Here is some more info on Trent: 1, just 1 measly 300 yard game since HIGH SCHOOL and that was his first year of college, none since in college or NFL. His Senior year at Stanford the won just ONE game...and guess what, he did NOT play in that win...he missed that game and it was the only game they won. Sound familiar? Kind of like this year...couldnt get a win with him, then Fitzy comes in and wins some games with an even worse team then Trent had because we had so many injuries.
So please just stop with this Trent garbage. He hasnt been good at any level since high school, he doesnt win games, he cant carry a team, doesnt throw down field, has accomplished nothing in college or NFL, has a marginal arm at best, is highly inaccurate downfield, floats balls way too high going deep, has terrible field vision, poor decision maker, makes the O line worse, checks down all the time, and doesnt have the temperment to lead this team. Not to mention none of his teammates or coaches have any confidence in him either.
The only sad success Trent excuse makers have to point out is our start last year...well news flash, he wasnt very good at all in 3 of our wins, and just ok in the other 2. We had to even make last minute comebacks against 3 of the worst teams in football, which Trent gets way too much credit for since it was plays by Mitchell, Lynch, and ST that made all of those comebacks possible. He gets so much credit that biased fans ignore his horrible play in the first 3 quarters of each of those games which is why we had to make comebacks to begin with.
My grandma has more upside as the QB of the bills than Trent at this point...Brohm has light years more upside than Trent too...
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Wrong, but keep playing:
Brohm, rating 43.2, 0 td's, 2 Int's, 2 sacks on 31 drops = 1 sack every 15.5
Fitzpatrick , rating 67.7, 21 td's, 27 int's, 68 sacks on 802 drops = 1 sack every 11.8
Edwards, rating 77.9, 24 td's, 25 int's, 58 sacks on, 58 sacks on 884 drop = 1 out of 15.25
Edwards is far and away the best QB on staff. he will be given a shot to start again. He will also be on staff even if he isn't the starter. Too cheap and as the best of three QB's on staff will not be the odd man out.
Really? Did you really just compare stats with Brohm even though he played one game in his whole career and it was behind a injury depleted O Line with less than 4 weeks to learn a new system and new playbook after having ZERO reps with any 1st or 2nd string offensive player leading up to that week? Then you use that as proof Trent is better? LMAO on the way people still manipulate stats to prove Trent to be better than he is...
He isnt any good and Brohm without a shadow of a doubt has light years more upside at this point compared to Trent...its not even a matter of opinnion, just facts that Trent has continuously proved on the field for 3 years
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well maybe, but when i look at things like poise in the pocket, reading the defense, a leader on the field, game awareness ... i dont see it in warner. what i see is a guy that had some success when he was on an offense with terrific WRs where he could just step back and put the ball up. a lot like an arena football style. when he had average WRs like NY, he got cut. he was frustated in the super bowl when he faced a smart D like New England.
WHAT? Man, what are you smoking?
Warner is great in the pocket, has incredible field vision as he disects the D regularly (see him vs GB's #2 D in the league this post season where he had more TD's-5 then incompletions-4) and is one of the most intelligent QB's in the league. He is also one of the most accurate QB's of all time. He didnt amass these totals by throwing jump balls...the fact you just said just shows you dont have a clue about this guy nor watch him play...I would just stop if I were you...
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trent dilfer won the super bowl, jim kelly didn't. do you take dilfer over kelly? brad johnson won a super bowl and had a long career with pretty good numbers. does he go into the hall too?
lmao, one of the worst arguments anyone could have possibly made...I mean you literally just compared a QB who had marginal stats in his best years to one of the most prolific passers of all time who led some of the greatest offenses of all time and went to 3 SB's, 2 MVP's, etc etc...
Warner is hands down a frist ballot HOF'er
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While most of the sportswriting world has already speculated that Kurt Warner's press conference, set for 3 p.m. ET Friday, will serve as his official retirement announcement, our own inside source informs me that Warner is definitely walking away. I've learned not to question his judgment.
Which begs the question of Warner's legacy, of course. If you'd asked me about his Hall of Fame chances a year ago, I would have hemmed and hawed before saying that yes, he "probably" had a good chance to get in "someday." (Okay, so I hedge my bets.) Looking back, I wonder what I was thinking, because the two-time MVP looks like a first-ballot lock.
Since The Associated Press started handing out Most Valuable Player honors in 1957, only six players have won the award more than once: Peyton Manning (4), Brett Favre (3), Jim Brown (3), Johnny Unitas (3), Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Warner. Brown, Unitas, Montana, and Young were each elected in their first year of eligibility. Manning and Favre certainly will be. Is there any valid reason to keep Warner out of that group?
If there is, let's hear it.
For me, this guy is a sure fire HOF player, first ballot. His track record speaks for itself. He turned, not one, but two perennial losing franchises into SB teams, including winning won. People talk about the low part for a couple years in the middle...well, he was injury stricken his last couple of years with the Rams, then didnt get a fair shot in NY as they pulled him despite having a good record to start rookie Eli. Then in AZ, they really wanted Leinart to be their guy as they just drafted him, so it took a little while to take that away from him and become the unquestioned starter.
To top it all off, this guy is one of the all time best Post Season QB's to boot.
To me, there is just no question he deserves to be a first ballot HOF selection. Add in his character and back story and this is just a no brainer IMO.
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My take on our 3 QB's
Edwards- Has shown flashes of being good, we were 5-1 at one point and eveyone loved him, now he has been abismal and everyone hates him. If we gave him another shot i would be ok with it. If we let him walk i would be ok with that as well
Fitzpatrick - Very inconsistent, Great one throw atrocious the next. Mobile, but IMO just an adequate backup.
Brohm - Aparently has potential and lots of it. The guy was on a practice squad behind day 2 picks. If he had this potential and was any sort of good dont you think other teams would have gone after him as well. I just dont see why everyone is high on him. Again if we give him a shot im ok with it, if we let him go ok with that as well
Reality check on the 5-1 by Trent...he was bad in 4 of those games and about average in the 2 other games.
And Brohm does have LOADS of upside.
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Whats the tally so far?
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I definitely agree. I have said this a couple times in the past few weeks. I think Trent Edwards could be just as good as Sanchez was this year. Considering the Jets were winning with him throwing 12-15 for 100 yards...Trent could easily do that with the right play calling, and a good o-line and a solid defense.
I would say Trent is better than Zweigle Sanchez.
Uh, when did we all of a sudden get the number 1 ranked defense in the NFL? Because that is the sole reason the Jets made it that deep with Sanchez playing up and down as a rookie QB this year. So unless you think we have a top 3 defense in this league, we are going to need more than a lame duck QB like Trent throwing up games that consistently look like 180 yards, 1TD, 1INT...
For the record, Sanchez is a significantly better QB than Trent. The Jets wouldnt have made the playoffs with Trent, let alone the AFC championshp game.
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McNabb is the most under appreciated player in the NFL...everything he has accomplished has been done with serious Sub Par WR's with the exception of the one year with T.O. and the emergence of DeSean the last year...seriously though, I wonder what DeSean would look like on another team...probably not nearly as productive. Look at what McNabb did for low level players like Donte Stalworth and the poor play they have had when they leave Philly or before Philly.
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The closer we get to the combine and draft, the more I sense momentum building amongst league personnel guys behind one Tim Tebow. I'm not even sure how this could be happening at this phase in the game because he hasn't done anything but train privately since the end of the season, so what gives?
I believe what's going on is that people have had time to step back and really digest his college career, which in turn is causing them to see the sum of his parts (leadership, maturity, unique physical tools, production, etc.) instead of regurgitating Brian Billick's arm-slot, slow-motion breakdown from the Sugar Bowl.
A strong Senior Bowl week, dozens of impressive one-on-one interviews, and the insane combine numbers this guy is inevitably going to put up will absolutely rocket the kid up some draft boards. Maybe not everyone's, but all it takes is one.
Now, let's focus on the Bills current situation: We've got an ancient, set-in-his-ways, old school owner. An ancient, good ol' boy GM, who as a scout, valued QBs with over-the-top competitive drives (Brees, Rivers) and was willing to think outside the box and draft players who didn't fit the "prototypical NFL QB" (Brees because of his height and even Rivers to a certain extent because he had a bit of an unorthodox release point coming out of college). When you throw in our good ol' boy, southern HC who believes supremely in his ability to develop QB talent, I think we are looking at a recipe for Tebow to the Bills.
Also, if you've watched ESPN today, I'm sure you've seen the numerous "Tebow updates." And that's just been for the Senior Bowl weigh-ins! He will obviously be a marketing department's dream no matter where he goes, but I think he would be particularly effective in a blue-collar region such as Western NY.
Just a hunch and my two cents.
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Physically/athletically I think that the guy has some special gifts, especially that Gailey is suppose to excel in developing young QBs but attitude wise Russell is another story. Him being rumored as an underacheiver with a indifferent work ethic sure takes away a lot of his redeeming athletic qualities. Big time QBs are hard to find and I'm wondering if the positives outweigh the negatives and if he can be motivated enough to progress in his young career.
This is a joke right? Dam you Ashton Kutcher...
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Not knocking this QB as I havent seen much of him, however, taking a QB in rounds 1 or 2 would be a mistake with Brohm on the roster. Brohm would be a first round QB this year and quite possibly the first QB taken if he were in the draft...he has only one game under his belt and yet he showed promise in it. He has a big arm, is incredibly smart and more importantly football smart, accurate and has 2 years now to asjust to the NFL over a rookie. Not to mention, we got him cheap...
So with all the holes on this team that are HUGE holes like OL, LB, and DL plus the terrible lack of depth on this team it makes no sense to use a high round pick on a QB when we already have a young QB with loads of potential. So, bring in a vet and let him and Brohm compete for the starting gig next year and use our high draft picks on OT, LB, DL, etc. If Brohm hasnt shown enough to be our guy by next year, then we look at QB in the draft if needed.
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I have never seen anything like it. Mike Williams instead of Bryant McKinnie. Losman, McCargo, Eric Flowers...etc. And then more recently they take Leodis McCelvin over Rogers-Cromartie (Pro Bowler) and Mike Jenkins who is becoming a star for the Cowboys. Figures the Bills have their choice of the three and pic the wrong one. Then last year, Aaron Maybin?!! LOL. I follow the draft very closely and always assume that the NFL people are there for a reason and know a whole lot more than me, but then they pull garbage like this year after year and makes me start to wonder. Maybin was the only one that was mentioned for the Bills that I knew would be a horrible pick. Leave it to the Bills to take him. No Michael Oher, who has been excellent for the Ravens and was at a position of dire need. Of course not. The draft failures in Buffalo are beyond ridiculous. Can't wait to see how they manage to screw it up this year.
My guess is you are a Madden player who just watches the first round...because if you watched more of the draft you would see that the Bills had probably the best draft in the NFL last year landing 2 good interior lineman, a finalist for ROY in Byrd, a very promising TE in Nelson, and even a potential starter like Nic Harris late. Not to mention, Maybin is FAR from being a bust yet, I mean he barely played this year and quite honestly still has potential at DE but has even more potential at LB...
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Maybin is not a DE. He simply never was. He is too weak and does not use leverage. I do not see how he will ever be able to rush the passer, and I dont even wanna talk about his play against the run. Therefore he cannot be a 4-3 DE if he cannot rush the passer. If this team goes to the 3-4, the only thing that will change is A) Maybin will now be listed as an OLB on the officail roster, and B) he will rush from a 2 point stance and not a 3 point stance. Now How exactly will either of those two things help him rush the passer? It wont as the LT will still be able to dominate him physically.
Basically I don't see Maybin as the pass rusher we were supposed to be getting when we drafted him. So what are our options?
In a 4-3 he is surely athletic enough to play Will. I am not sure he is stout enough to play Sam. Either way we need help at both positions. I think the sooner he is a 4-3 OLb the better - if that is the D we run next season.
3-4, I dont see him playing the Ware/Merriman/Harrison ROLB aka pass rusher role for reasons stated above. That doesn't mean he couldn't play inside or on the left side at OLB, where his pass rushing duties would be decreased. I think relying on him to play the pass rushing role, if we go 3-4 in 2010, would be a huge mistake.
Overall I think his best fit would be 4-3 OLB, most likely as a Will where he wont have to take on as many blocks and will be able to flow to the ball using his acceleration and quickness.
Flame on
I actually see a move to LB as a real good thing...him and Nic Harris along with Mitchell and Poz looks pretty good potentially and allows us to focus on OT and DE early in the draft...
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We have to remember though, this was not AVP's offense. Sure he may have tweaked it a little, but it doesn't change the fact he was handed the acting OC position a week before the regular season started and given an offense to operate which had just been toned down and muzzled by HC, DJ.
I have to agree with you however on how poorly AVP has been in reference to working with the QB's, but he never was a great QB to begin with so somehow that doesn't surprise me.
I will give you that it wasnt his offense entirely, but that still doesnt change the clear lack of in game adjustments, incredibly predictable play calling, and the lack of WR involvement most of the year.
That with the QB track record just seems to be a nail in the coffin IMO. When you ask the question what success has he had at any position coaching or playing, the answer is honestly none...so what warrants him keeping his job is my question?
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Terrible idea unless he wants a guy to just not get in the way...AVP was terrible this year, and I am not just referring to the way the offense played as a lot of that was very poor execution from the O Line and QB.
AVP was the least creative OC I have ever seen, and NO I am not referring to overly creative plays. I am referring directly to the point that he has no idea how to adjust an offense to counter the D being thrown at him and was incredibly poor at figuring out how to involve the WR's.
So many games could have gone differently if he would have just made adjustments, insereted slants, crossing routes, etc to help our QB's get them more involved. I swear it was mid season before we even saw a slant and that resulted in a long TD to Evans.
Yes, he was handicapped with poor QB play, but the offesne was the most predictable in the NFL, made very very few adjustments in game, and was terrible at finding ways to involve our weapons like Evans, TO, and even Nelson underneath and over the middle.
Add in to the mix that Trent has been terrible and AVP has been his mentor as a QB coach and OC...so he has a track record of really no success as a QB coach or OC...
NO THANKS...
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yo dickface, everything on here gets posted multiple times. Cause losers like you have nothing better to do. So you like being the oakland of the east coast? That is what all these terrible moves keep doing. And every year, Buffalo fans go out and buy season tickets.
The defition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results-
You are pathetic...make it official then, delete you account on this board...if you are so serious about this and dont have tickets to cancel yourself, then do the next best thing and delete your account and stand by what you say...I guarantee you wont, becuase just like 98% of all the other posers claiming to be done with Bills, you are full of crap.
Seriously, go back to corner and continue sucking your thumb and stomping your feet and leave it off the board...its cluttered with whiny posers just like you already.
Its one thing to debate or disagree with moves, its another to pretend you are done with the Bills...I 100% guarantee if you had season tickets going into 2010 you would not cancel them...
PS: Football is JUST A GAME people...get over it, its not the end of the world. Not to mention people who have forgotten more about football than you will ever know are really high on this hire for us and think he is a great fit...so who the hell cares that you dont approve or dont think real fans should buy tickets...
Brees more proof....Always take your QB FIRST
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I dont know what draft you watched or what reports you read, but most thought Brees was a steal for SD in the 2nd and thought they made out really well trading the #1 pick (Vick) and instead coming away with LT and Brees...