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If you want to argue that Spiller is a more dynamic back than Lynch I will give you that point. But Lynch is a tougher back who is also capable of being a big play player. If all the upper tier OTs are gone when our turn comes up then there are some high quality defensive players who would be available for us, such as NT Williams, DE Morgan etc.
My basic point is that it is time that the Bills stopped trading a position to replace that same position. It is not allowing us to move forward. Is Lynch immature? Without a doubt he is. But that doesn't make him a bad person or a person who can't behave in a more mature manner. Just because this is a new regime it doesn't mean that it is willing to let a relatively high first round player and talent go for a third or fourth round pick. I'm much more willing to give Lynch a fresh start, especially after the way things started for him with the suspension.
The way for the Bills to accelerate the development of the team is to keep talent and add to it.
I dont really disagree with much of what you are saying...my points are that if you take into consideration the entire picture, picking Spiller at #9 is more plausible than I think you give it credit for is all.
Gailey builds around the ground game.
Top 3 tackles are likely off the board at 9, and maybe even top 4.
Dan Williams would be a big stretch at 9 and is less likely with Edwards signing.
McClain becomes less likely with A. Davis signing (although he could still be taken at #9 IMO).
Spiller would be by far the best offensive player available (if he is even there)
On top of all that:
Lynch had a down year and actually lost his job to Freddie during the season.
This regime has no attachment to Lynch making trading him easier.
FO I think is tired of his off field issues.
This offense needs a spark and a change.
Spiller looks to be more explosive with better hands and would be seen as an upgrade over Lynch.
Lynch could still fetch us value with mid round picks via trade for this deep draft.
Chan has seen the talents of Spiller first hand.
The film doesnt lie...Lynch doesnt hit his holes well enough and dances at the line. Also drops too many balls.
So, while I think Lynch does deserve a fresh start and still has the potential to be a really good back in this league if he can stop dancing at the line so much, I still think given the situation come draft day that I wont be surprised if we go with Spiller and then trade Lynch for mid round picks.
My personal preference is to take an OT, but I just dont believe one will be there that will be a better pickup than Spiller. Taking Spiller and trading Lynch makes more sense to me than stretching for Dan Williams.
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Oh come on now...am I the only one who has noticed that the OP garbo has not made one post in this thread? Seriously, this thread is on page 5 when it was clearly a bogus topic started by a bogus poster who conveniently nicknamed himself garbo which pretty much references garabage which is what this thread was intended to be.
Ashton Kutcher is that you because you all just got punked by "garbo"...funny thing is this thread will probably reach 10 pages before it dies...
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The interest in Spiller doesn't make much sense. What good would it do to get a dynamic back when the OL is dysfunctional? If the Bills had an effective line then it would make sense, just as it made sense for the Vikings to draft AP a few years back because they already had a very powerful OL.
A lot of people are critical of Lynch because of his behavior and so far lack of production, especially last year. But he is a talent who needs to be coached up. He was the second rated back a couple of years ago, only behind AP. Let's not get into that repetitive destructive cycle of getting rid of a talent only to replace that same talent. The Bills desperately need to ADD talent, not merely fill in the hole AGAIN by the departure of talent.
I agree with a lof of what you said, but if you look closer at the situation I think its more likely and makes more sense than you think.
If one of the top LT's are there, I do think we certainly grab one and 100% should. But reality sets in and we look at the top 8 and realize its very very likely that the top 3 OT will be gone. 100% for sure, 2 of them will be gone IMO, and likely 3 and possibly even 4 will be taken in top 8. I think it will be 3 personally Okung, Bulaga, and Trent. Raiders may take Campbell too as Al Davis loves his workout wonders...
So wheres that leave us at #9? McClain, Dan Williams, or Campbell (if he is there) versus taking Spiller. Well, considering we just signed Davis and Edwards today, that will lessen the chance of taking McClain or reaching for Williams. So, if Spiller is there, he is easily the best offensive player in this draft and offense was a big sore spot for us. Add in Chan's familiarity with Spiller, Lynch's tendency to dance at the line and drop passes (not to mention his off field stuff), and the fact this staff has no attachment to Lynch, then that makes Spiller even more plausible.
Not to mention, this draft is deep with players in the trenches and LB's but it lacks in big time offensive playmakers. So taking Spiller at 9, then moving Lynch for a mid round pick in a deep draft for our other areas of need makes sense to me if no tackles are there and none of the other Elite prospects have slipped.
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From the way things are going I think the Bills trade down and get an additional 2nd round pick. I can see the following happening next...
Round 1 Trent Williams LT OU
Round 2 Cody NT Bamma
Round 2 McCoy QB Texas.
All they did was consistantly perform at a high level in College and that is what Nix is looking for. I know some will hate it, but if the draft went down like that along with picking up some LB, DE, WR help in rounds 3-7 I would be pretty happy.
Here are the very apparent problems with your scenario here...
1. The only way we will find a trading partner to trade down is if either Claussen or Berry slip to us at #9. Neither is very likely, with the Berry scenario the least likely. There will be no one available at #9 to inspire teams to trade up for. The only players teams will see worth trading up for to get at #9 are Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Okung, Berry and Claussen. All are almost certainly gone by 9 except Claussen and Berry who are also likely to be gone but could slip depending if there is a big run on OT's like some think. Bulaga could also inspire trade partners, but no way we trade down if Bulaga by some miracle is there at #9.
2. If we somehow do trade down, Trent Williams most likely will not be there to take later unless we stay close to the 9 spot. Many think he will be gone even before #9. But then, that brings up the problem in #1 again. Who will be there at #9 to make a team give up their second round pick to move up a couple of spots? No one unless its Claussen or Berry.
3. Cody will not be there when we draft in the 2nd. His conditioning will make him slip in terms of where his production should have him drafted, but the better teams in the NFL drafting in the bottom of the first round who can afford to take a chance on this kid based on his film later will likely snatch him up. If not, then surely some team at the top of 2nd round.
4. Dont under estimate the Bills interest in Spiller either at #9. The new staff wants to ramp up the offense and are known for their ground game. I honestly get the feeling the new staff isnt as big of a Lynch fan as some posters on this board. His off the field problems, lack of explosiveness because of his tendency to dance at the line and also frequent dropped passes have made him expendable and even a liability in some aspects.
IMO, at #9, to me the most likely scenario is we will take an OT unless the ones we want are already gone, in which case we will take either Spiller, McClain or Dan Williams.
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This is great news IMO...he is a very underrated LB and is a great addition to a weak spot on this team.
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Actually, the entire secondary is overrated. Remember the opening game vs the Pats, Moss and Welker had like 25 catches between them? Yeah, great lockdown coverage. We don't have a single DB that WR's are losing sleep over facing. Don't overreact though and try and say I'm advocating taking a CB in the draft, cause I'm not. Just saying our secondary isn't that great, middle of the pack is about right.
News flash...Byrd didnt play in that game
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LMAO at this thread and the fact its still going on...its crystal clear the OP just wanted to stir crap up, hence the reason he isnt even posting in this thread and probably sitting back getting his rocks off watching everyone wig out.
Only a complete idiot would make this claim (which there are some on this board), but they would at least be in the thread arguing with total jackass statements, made up stats, rediculous claims and continuous gibberish (see: southgeorgiabillsfan, billsfan=pain, etc.).
This person clearly isnt and wrote this thread to stif the pot because he's never been kissed and needs to do something to float his boat...
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Lets offer Philly that we swap our frist rounders for McNabb
We then draft Charles Brown, OT, USC with Philly's 24th pick
Then use our second to draft Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
then our third on Sean Lee, ILB, Penn State or Tyson Alualu, DT, California
Just a pipe dream
Considering Philly has been reported to be looking for a first round pick and some change, why on earth would you think they would trade him for us by just swapping picks? If this could be done, it would have already happened.
If we swap first roud picks with them, it would take at least our 2nd rounder this year and probably our 2nd rounder next year or at the very least would include this years 2nd and a 3rd this year or next.
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He's a seasoned veteran, hard worker, and he's still productive. On top of that, he could teach some of our young guys how to play this game. Seems like someone this team needs.
His career speaks for itself: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4654/c...qxjUpOYA93.uLYF
He is a great, and a great techer...excpet he will hold our young guys back. Say what you want about TO, but our guys got work with one of the hardest working players in football last year...its time for them to spread their wings already. Hardy and Johnson are still big unknowns, if you bring in Holt as a #2, then that pushes them back off the field a lot. Even if Holt is #3, he is still keeping one of the two off the field.
We already have a talented WR in Evans, its time to develop the talent behind him so we know what we have. Considering no one is expecting too much out of this team next year, this is the year to do it.
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I stand corrected. Although it makes the Bungles look even dumber. If people think TO brings distractions/problems and is in decline...
Yeah, seemed like a no brainer to me for them to sign him. Although, Bryant was a decent signing too, but TO I think compliments Ocho more and you already know Ocho can share the ball as he did with TJ. I bet TO was licking his chops to play for that offense compared to ours too, so he would have been on his best behavior...
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The only logical explanation in choosing Antonio Bryant (you want to talk irrelevant on the field) over TO is that TO turned down Cincy's offer. It's actually fairly obvious.
Actually, this is not true at all. Its already been reported by Schefter and others that Cincy never offered TO a contract of any kind. He left Cincy with no offer and then they went out and signed Bryant.
They chose Bryant over TO. Could be they new TO was going to expect a higher offer that they were not prepared to give him, but either way, they elected to pass on offering TO a contract and instead make an offer to Bryant which he accepted.
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I seriously doubt Cincy signs TO now that they have signed Bryant, so with Balt trading for Boldin too that leaves really no known possible destinations for him. The only 2 teams that pubicly have shown any interest (although Balt's interest was very low any way) have gone out and paid good money for other WR's...
Could he find himself without a job this year?
Would the Bills bring him back for cheap if he had no other takers?
Would NE bring him in for cheap if he had no other options?
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Bulaga? when was the last time the bills took they guy they were supposed to? i think theyll end up taking someone like weatherspoon and have everyone scratching their heads.
Doesnt matter, he wont be there at #9...
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I would trade a 4th to the Jets for WR Brad Smith.
I would trade Whitner to the Colts for a 4th and a 7th.
I would trade our 1st round pick and a conditional 5th that could turn into a 4th, to the Ravens for Gaither and Smith.
I would trade Fitzpatrick to the Cardinals for a 6th and a 7th.
I would trade Lynch to the Chargers for Vincent Jackson or Shawn Merriman.
Whitner for a 4th and 7th seems a bit low to me. He has more value than that IMO, so that would be dissapointing.
I would trade our 2nd for and a conditional 5th that could turn into a 4th for Gaither and Smith, but not the 9th pick.
I would trade Fitz or Trent for whatever we could get to AZ
I would love to see a trade of Lynch to SD for either Vincent or Merriman.
By far, my favorite scenario would be sending Lynch to SD for either Vincent or Merriman. Losing Whitner for just a 4th and a 7th to me doesnt help our team.
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1st rd Bruce Campbell OT Maryland
2nd rd Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd rd Linval Joseph NT East Carolina 5.09 forty 39 reps on bench at 6-4 328
4th rd Ben Tate RB Auburn. Seeya Marshawn.
Rip away
I would not love this draft, but I also wouldnt hate it. I really dont want Campbell at 9, much rather see one of the other OT's, Dan Williams or McClain. Spikes in the 2nd is what saves this mock for me. Dont know enough about Joseph to like or dislike him in the 3rd...Ben Tate would be a good value pick in the 4th
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I heard on ESPN radio that Schefter is reporting that AZ is going to be a top front runner for DA and is going to be pursuing him.
If I was DA and had to choose to throw to Fitz and Breston in great weather for an offensive minded team or throw to Lee and some unproven guy as the #2 in Buffalos weather for a recyvled HC...um, I would choose AZ even if it was for half what Buf would offer as he will have the same chance to start at both places as Leinart hasnt done much when he had the chance either and is said to have a poor work ethic.
So, unless AZ changes their mind or tells him that he will back up Leinart, we probably wont be seeing DA in Buffalo next year without a big offer by us whcih would be utterly stupid on our part.
But who knows...
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Funny how Bills fans will get excited on just about any news that could mean that our JV players might be replaced with more JV players.
Did Anderson show anything last year that would make anyone think he is better than what we currently have?
Here is what I would love about the idea of DA coming here:
1. He allows us to focus on holes at OL and defensive front 7 in this draft.
2. He at least played at a high level at some point in his career.
3. He hasnt been good enough to just hand him the job, he will have to earn it.
4. Gives us a chance to see if he or Brohm can be our guy before we waste a high pick on a QB with a huge salary. Both still have potential and upside (Brohm has more to me).
5. Its an easy transition away from Trent, because even though DA has had more downs than ups, Trent has never had any ups and just looks shot at this point.
6. Even if he struggles, he is still a better stop gap than Trent or Fitzy while they groom Brohm.
DA may not be the answer, but he at least has more upside than Trent and could be a good guy to bring in to battle with Brohm for the starting gig.
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No higher than 2nd round.
Huh? Am I missing something? Wasnt DA released? So what do you mean 2nd round?
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If they move Marshawn for a 3rd then I can see them taking CJ in the second.
Bulaga
CJ Spiller
Tebow (not advocating but it could happen)
Oline
Huh? There is no way CJ makes it out of top 15, why are people on here talking about taking him in the second. He may even go top 10.
Thats like speculating McClain falling to the second. The top RB prospect will not last until the 2nd round
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In Mr. King's MMQB column he stated if Ben Roethlisberger is at fault he needs to grow up. This was of course on page four of his column. A two time SB winning QB is accused twice of sexual assault and he "needs to grow up". There is no other way to describe how the media is treating this story other than pure racism. I am white and I can see it. Marshawn Lynch is a "thug" because he had a gun is his car. How many Bubba's down South have a frickin gun rack in their truck. San Diego trades away Cromartie because he has 7 kids - all by consensual sex. Larry Johnson makes some anti-gay slurs and he is vilified/suspended. All black, all non-crimes or minor at worst. If you are white and a QB apparently 20 year old girls are pieces of meat. Peter King has a daughter for Christ sake. I loathe Michael Vick but as others have said before he would have been better off commiting rape than killing a dog. Unless of course it was a white girl. In which case in Atlanta he would have been lynched.
For me, I have a real hard time that believing this wouldnt be going a little differently if it was say Donovan McNabb being accused a second time for sexual assault. If McNabb was a two time accused I do believe he would be getting more attention in these early stages. However, I do believe that if this goes to trial or actual charges are filed and he is arrested this will blow up in the media like many other celebrity cases. But, I think Big Ben is getting a little breathing room here until something more happens, a little because he is a golden boy white athlete with a previous clean image.
That being said, I do believe it has a lot more to do with the level of celebrity too, more so than race. Donte Stallworth killed a man and was convicted and he was a blurb in the media compared to Tiger, Vick, Kobe, Tyson, Clemens, Rodgriguez, etc. Those guys were huge stars, so their legal issues were a bigger deal not because they were black or white, but because they were massively famous.
Big Ben is a 2 time SB winner, but he is no where near the level of celebrity of these other guys and he hasnt been arrested or charged with anything yet. He is a big enough star that if he is charged he will become a major news story. Until then, because of his squeaky clean previous image and golden boy persona, he will get somewhat of a pass and the benefit of the doubt from the media more than say a Donovan McNabb if he had been accused mostly because Donovan has been a bigger persona in sports media.
So, yes, race may have a little factor in these early stages, but honestly, it has WAY more to do with the level of fame Ben is, the current situation with his case, and the fact he has never really been a guy regularly in the media. Watch, if he gets arrested or formal charges are filed this will become the daily top story.
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Lets see...people are posting rumors, have your ears heard anything to substantiate any of them:
1. Someone is suggesting we are trading out of the first round for more draft picks
2. Someone is suggesting Whitner is about to be traded
3. Someone is suggesting that Whitner is specifically going to be traded this week to Cle for D. Anderson and a low pick
4. Someone is suggesting that we are considering Tebow in either a trade down scenario in the first or taking him in the 2nd...
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I would rather see Buffalo trade Lynch to Oakland for Michael Bush and a draft pick. Although getting Taylor wouldn't suck.
I would love this, but it will never happen. Bush is a better RB than Lynch, so to give them Lynch and get back Bush and a pick would never happen. Plus, this makes no sense for Oak. Trade away a talented RB and a draft pick just to get another RB who also has off field problems and coming off a down year when they also have Fargas and McFadden.
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http://www.wgr550.com/pages/6495905.php
What a joke. Nice first move of FA, tender a useless 220 pound LB who doesn't fit inside or outside in your scheme. Nice job. This pisses me off so much, I thought we were finally rid of this d.b.
First off, Ellison is better than trend following TSW posters give him credit for. Most people on this board dont have a clue to how to view how he plays and just spout out about he sucks because its the en vogue thing to do. Is he a great LB...no, of course not. But, is he a LB that has value to this team...yes.
In case you missed it, we SORELY lack depth on this team, so how does it make sense to just get rid of everyone like this board seems to want to do? We lack even more depth at LB where ever year we have players who down with injury. Ellison had a decent year and is good player to have around until we have someone better in place to replace him. But we cant just cut 50% of the team and expect to upgrade every spot.
Letting Ellison walk makes no sense. I am sure we will sign someone in FA, draft a LB, or both to help our LB corp out. But until then, Ellison still has value to this team and isnt as bad as this board likes to make him out to be.
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You are seeing things how you want to see them...
#1 - Show me where I said I "wanted to draft him ahead of what scouts and gms feel is a top 3 players period in this draft?"
I didn't say I wanted to draft him at all, let alone where I would draft him. I simply said that he would make a nice duo with Jairus Byrd...which leads me to point...
#2 - No, go back and read it again.
I want to draft Mays because he is the better fit with Byrd. He would be the Strong Safety, while Byrd was the Free Safety. Eric Berry is going to be a Free Safety...THAT is NOT a NEED for us.
Strong Safety is since everybody wants to jettison Donte Whitner, before giving him a chance in a 3-4 with a new coach.
George Wilson is not going to be anything special, neither is Bryan Scott...if they even get brought back.
Thank you.
You said you want to take him over Berry...Berry is considered one of the top 2 or 3 players in the entire draft. A GM would have to be a total fool to take Mays over Berry. Berry can lay the wood too. Thats the reason Berry is rated so high, becaue he is the total package at S...fierce defender, great tackler, exceptional ball skills, exceptional instincts, etc. Mays, is a athletic workout wonder who can lay a good hit, but lacks sorely compared to Berry in every other area.
Want to know the difference...Berry is compared to Ed Reed at the pro level and Mays is compared to Roy Williams at the pro level at best.
Does it mean Mays is a bad prospect, surely not. But at this point, Berry is leaps and bounds above Mays as a total package and to want Mays over him based on talent is just foolish.
If your argument was that you wanted a S and would rather take Mays than Berry because you dont want to use a high pick on a safety at #9 and would love to see Mays slip to us in the second, then fine. But thats not what you are saying...you flat out prefer Mays over Berry which is ludicris at this point. Down the road, who knows what kind of pros they both turn out to be, no one player is ever a lock to be this or that. But based on available film, information, etc. there is no way anyone will ever rate Mays over Berry.
With Davis signing and possibly Edwards
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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With todays signings I think it makes McClain and Dan Williams less likely at #9. Although, I never really thought Dan Williams was likely to be picked at 9 anyway, especially with similar NT prospects to likely be had in the 2nd.
McClain though is still potential choice, less likely than before, but I think he is graded high enough that they could still take him if he is there and no one else they like better is.
I actually am really starting to think we will take Spiller and then move Lynch for more picks in this draft once we do. Okung, Bulaga, and Trent will all likely be gone by the time we pick, and maybe even Campbell. Even if Campbell is there, he is too much of a project and I think they would pull the trigger on the best offensive playmaker in the draft with Spiller over him easily.
100% for sure 2 of the OT's will be chosen. Plus Suh, McCoy and Bradford are certainly gone. So theres 5 of the top 8...the question is who will the other 3 players be that will be taken ahead of us? The most likely candidates are Berry, Trent, Claussen, Spiller, Campbell, Haden, Juan Pierre, and maybe even Taylor Mays to Oak as Al Davis might pull the trigger and take him.
If Trent Williams is there I would think we definitely take him. I just dont think he will be there. I think he goes in the top 8. Thats 6 down...I also think Berry is too good to fall out of the top 8...so theres 7. I also think the Skins will take Claussen...theres the top 8.
That leaves us with a likely selection of one of these 4 players...Spiller, Campbell, McClain, Dan Williams. Of those 4, Spiller and McClain are clearly the better players, but Spiller to me would have the bigger impact because our offense is clearly our weakest unit. He is more dynamic than Lynch, and our D was already solid before we added Davis and Edwards today. So with our injured players back, the emergence of Byrd, the prospects of Maybin, and the signings today our foucs will most likely be offense at #9 and Spiller is the best offensive prospect in this draft.
Plus Chan is very familiar with how talented Spiller is, so I think our pick will be Spiller unless somehow Bulaga slips or Trent Williams is there (both of which I think will not be).