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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
With the 4th pick of the 2024 TSW mock draft version 3.0, the Arizona Cardinals select:
Marvin Harrison, Wide Receiver, Ohio State.
It would have taken a big offer to move me down. Nothing was forthcoming. Then it is between the two best players in the draft for me - Harrison and Alt. But the Cards took Paris Johnson who I remain high on as my LT of the future at #6 last year. So I go get Kyler a WR1 in Harrison. He was at his best with prime DHop and we need to recreate that element in our offense.
@NeverOutNick and the Los Angeles Chargers are now on the clock.
Rumors swirling that the Cardinals have been locked in on MHJ for weeks and gonna take him unless someone knocks their socks off...which I think is probably accurate if they stay at 4, but I think those rumors are a clear ploy to drive the price up and fuel the bidding war for this pick.
If Giants want McCarthy not only do they have to contend with AZ possibly trading this but lots of belief the Chargers want to trade back too. That is not one, but 2 spots for Vikings, Broncos, or Raiders to potentially leap frog them for JJ McCarthy if they are as high on him as the buzz would suggest.
And they supposedly will not make any decisions until on the clock, to again put pressure and drive last min bids. I think they still trade back, but obviously if they don't MHJ is the most likely pick.
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29 minutes ago, Virgil said:
To me, the Chargers need WR and this is a no brainer. However, every single thing I've heard from Harbaugh is that he wants to build up his lines and run the ball. They've brought in Edwards and Dobbins (the best of the breakable backs), and I truly believe they will go offensive line here. I'm not knocking your pick, and everything could be a smoke screen, but based of the style that Harbaugh runs...
Yeah and its why people have been mocking a lot that the Chargers will trade back out of this spot for someone who wants a WR where they can still grab an elite prospect along the OL and more draft assets and look to add to WR later.
5 minutes ago, JJGauna said:With the 6th pick of the 2024 TSW Mock Draft 3.0, the New Jersey Giants select: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
A trade up or a QB was tempting, but in a make or break year for Daboll the Giants decide to roll with Vanilla Vick (Dan Jones) one more time.New Yorkish finally fills the #1 receiver roll since Odell packed his bags. Nabers can play from any WR position and can make any catch with elite speed. His presence should also help out guys like Hyatt and Slayton.
A QB is still in play for the late 1st/early 2nd. But if all fails the Giants will have an elite WR to help out their future QB for years to come.
@Doc Brown & the Tennessee Titans are now on the clock!
I get the pick for sure...but I think on Thursday if the draft fell this way the pick would be McCarthy or they would trade the pick to someone who wants McCarthy like the Vikes and take multiple first round picks.
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6 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
With the 5th pick of the 2024 TSW mock draft version 3.0, the Los Angeles Chargers select:
Rome Odunze, Wide Receiver, Washington
After not getting enough compensation to move down and acquire more picks in this draft the chargers decide to stay put. Harbaugh wanted to move down and grab an O lineman early or even take Brock Bowers but because the offers weren’t there he couldn’t pass on a generational WR talent for Justin Herbert.
I know I know, why would you take Rome Odunze over Malik Nabers? I feel the top 3 WRs in this class would be the top WR in most classes and it’s really pick your flavor. Harbaugh goes with his type of player over the upside of Nabers. Odunze bleeds the same way Harbaugh bleeds. Harbaugh would’ve ran to the podium for Harrison but getting the most clutch WR in the class is a fine second option.
@JJGauna and the NY Giants are on the clock with pick 6
Personally I think Odunze will be the 2nd WR taken. I’ve heard from people I trust that many teams have him as either the top overall WR or 2nd. And more isn’t being made about it as people want him to slide to them or to a place they can trade for him.
He has the best ball skills in the draft and is the kind of guy who can be open even when not open. Basically a QBs best friend type receiver.
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I don’t think it’s possible for me to hate any other unis more than I already hate these ones.
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These are nowhere as bad the Giants new ones though
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Bahahaha I’ve heard of eye candy, but this is the first time I’ve seen eye vomit 🤮
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2 hours ago, Virgil said:
Don't quote me, but I want to say that "experts" believe there's only 150 NFL prospects in this draft. The Commanders can now select 11 of them. If they really want to overhaul, they could. It's a good draft for the offensive line, not so much for DE's or MLB though.
2 hours ago, mrags said:Thank you. We know we’re more than just 1-2 really good players away from being competitive at this point. We liked Maye and Daniels actually and thought about both at 2. But end of the day we have a ton of top 100 picks this year and already sitting on 4 picks in the first 2 round next year will get us a QB we like if we don’t get someone this draft at 12 or maybe later.
The issue is Commanders already have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds and 7 in first 150 picks coming into this draft. So they don’t need to make this move to load up on more picks in this draft. They can take a QB and still have 6 more picks in first 150.So I don’t know adding a few more and a couple next year is enough for them not to address the QB position with one of the QBs three hey are high on.
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16 minutes ago, Virgil said:
My only argument with having this many picks, is that this is a crap year to have them. With the NIL impact, this is a wickedly weak draft class. With that being said, you have so many picks in the top 100, that it shouldn't impact you that much. What sucks is, there are a few positions that don't even have first round grades, so building up the trenches and other areas, may not be great value in this draft.
Agreed. This is what I meant by Wash would need more than this in real life because they won’t care about all these day 3 picks this year. -
1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Early 20s. It’s his MO.
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McConkey is an easy choice for me as Legette has a lot more risk to me than McConkey. Don’t get me wrong, he has a huge ceiling too and is an exciting prospect and I would be fine with him in the 2nd, but at 28 McConkey may be the most sure bet outside the big 3 in the draft to bring value and do it this year.
Legette was a ghost all of college until his 5th year where almost all his career production came from. You don’t know which guy you’re getting and he isn’t as polished in a lot of the areas McConkey is. Legette does have elite potential still, I just think its gonna take a season or two for him to really put it all together (assuming he does), so I won’t hate drafting him at 28 if he was the pick, but I’d feel more confident in McConkey, especially in what he would do for us this year.
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5 hours ago, mrags said:
I will be waiting until 12 tomorrow gathering my trade offers at this point. Unless someone comes at me with an offer too good to be turned down. So far the offered I’ve received don’t even cover the draft pick trade charts. At least be close with your offers people.
Obviously everyone free to operate how they want in this mock. But I’d say there’s pretty close to a 0% chance Commanders trade this pick on Thursday. They have locked down to take a QB.-
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
I think he is a 5th round prospect. I would break my tv if the Bills draft him anywhere. But as much as I don't want it to happen I fear it is very much in play. He is their type, they have had him in the building.... but it would be a wasted pick.
Im with you. Like I said in another post, I think he’s a round 4 guy who’s gonna go round 2 or 3 because the class is weak, so I am with you on that.I would break my TV if he was taken at 28! But at 60 I could live with it even though there will be people there I would take over him I’m sure.
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52 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Oh I have been all about him for some time. If he goes to KC, defenses are gonna pay.
He has pretty much the same build as Diggs, but everyone screams he is a 3rd or 4th round pick which is just dumb
Whoever says he is a 3rd or 4th rounder doesn’t know how to analyze WRs. No way he gets out of the 2nd round, and more likely goes somewhere between back half of first and first half of second.
There are a lot of teams who are high on him and he could be our pick at 28 even.
I have him 5th behind big 3 and Thomas personally.
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3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I am on the McConkey train.
Welcome aboard
I’ve long been on the McConkey train, he’s WR5 on my board. I would absolutely be good taking him at 28 or on a trade back.
IMHO he has the highest floor outside the big 3 in the draft (followed by Polk in terms of high floor) and a safe bet to be a significant contributor year 1 IMHO.
10 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:Let's go Bananas....
AZ Acquires
#28#128
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2026 1st
BUF Acquires
#4
#27
I have never seen someone spew assets away the way you do. This trade should and probably would get Beane fired.-
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
It is a long developed history going back to Carolina though that they like long arms. Again Beane's drafting preferences are very Carolina. 34 inch plus arms are definitely a preferred trait for their edge guys.
Not saying they just pick guys on arm length but it IS a singificant factor in the edge guys they like IMO.
I really hope they don't draft Kneeland. I didn't like the Basham pick and I'd like this even less. But I do think they likely think he is an option at #60.
I don’t disagree he is in play at 60, he’s a round 2 or 3 guy this year. But there is absolutely no way Beane takes him at 28. I guess nothing is impossible, but I’d be stunned and may break my TV if that happened.
He is a 4th round prospect IMHO who’s gonna go earlier because there are not a lot of options at EDGE this year.
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11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
I posted the other notable mocks in the last thread. They're growing considerably the last few weeks. I don't think I'm overthinking both AJE and Groot. They were both top 3 in arm length and wing span for the draft classes they belong to. Unless you think those weren't qualities we pursue and that was just random?
I think it was coincidence like I said. AJE was BPA at a clear position of need, I don’t think they targeted him on just his arms, everyone knew he was our pick when we were on the clock there. -
1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:
For some reason I think Jalen McMillan will be a pick and I find it highly unlikely they draft a WR at 28 unless it is Brian Thomas Jr. otherwise they draft BPA or trade back. I don't think Beane will reach just because the sportscasters think he needs a receiver
I personally think second round is too high for him. He would be an option in third or fourth imo
We don’t have a 3rd and he won’t last to 4th IMHO -
10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
Tez Walker getting too much attention for my liking
3 minutes ago, somnus00 said:Man, they're really interested in 'Tez Walker.
I think Tez is very much in play at 60 for them if they elect to go another position in the first. Not saying they should or shouldn't be, just based on how much interest they have invested in him as most the other WR's they spent time with are either expected to be gone by 60 or go much later than 60.
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Broncos just trading for Zack Wilson today for 6th and 7th round picks adds an interesting wrinkle here that might impact both picks 12 and 13.
I won't rule Nix out totally at 12, but I could easily see the Broncos either taking BPA at 12 or even trading back now to try and set themselves up next year for a QB. And if they still want Nix, there is a good chance he would still be there when they picked after trading back.
If I find time to do a v3.0, this will be interesting to think about and play out a little bit. Question is, who is on the board at 12 that a team is going to move up to get and what would that compensation be? Is there a trade there that makes sense on both sides is the question that will be fun to explore.
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Hmmmmm...this is interesting. There is buzz the Broncos like Bo Nix, but by no means were they a lock to take him at 12. I wonder if they just take the BPA at 12 or trade back to get more draft capital that they need. And if they still wanted Nix after trading back he will very likely still be there as I think they are the biggest threat to take him round 1.
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4 minutes ago, Virgil said:
Bills Top 30 Visits:
DE Marshawn Kneeland, Western Michigan - ESPN Grade 86, 6th DE
DT Khristian Boyd, Northern Iowa - ESPN Grade 39, 26th DT
WR Devontez Walker, UNC (***) - ESPN Grade 73, 17th WR
RB Trey Benson, Florida St - ESPN Grade 82, 2nd RB
OT Jordan Morgan, Arizona - ESPN Grade 86, 8th OT
WR Ryan Flournoy, Missouri St - ESPN Grade 34, 38th WR
WR Xavier Worthy, Texas (**) - ESPN Grade 87, 8th WR
DB Andru Phillips, Kentucky - ESPN Grade 68, 13th DB
DE Laiatu Latu, UCLA - ESPN Grade 92, 2nd DE
WR Keon Coleman, Florida St (**) - ESPN Grade 87, 9th WR
DB Qwan'tez Stiggers, Toronto Argonauts - Not graded
DT Mason Smith, LSU - ESPN Grade 81, 7th DT
DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa (**) - ESPN Grade 90, 3rd DB
DT Ruke Orhorhoro, Clemson - ESPN Grade 73, 10th DT
RB Audric Estime, Notre Dame (**) - ESPN 59, 10th RB
Pro Days/Workouts/Private Meetings:
WR Troy Franklin, Oregon (**) - ESPN Grade 83, 11th WR
Edge Adisa Isaac, Penn St - ESPN Grade 81, 12th Edge
WR Devontez Walker, UNC (***) - ESPN Grade 73, 17th WR
S Kitan Oladapo, Oregon St - ESPN Grade 72, 5th S
DB MJ Devonshire, Pittsburgh - ESPN Grade 49, 31st DB
WR Jalen McMillan, Washington (**) - ESPN Grade 77, 14th WR
LB Jamal Hill, Oregon - Not graded
Combine Formal Interviews:
DT Braden Fiske, Florida St - ESPN Grade 86, 3rd DT
WR Devontez Walker, UNC (***) - ESPN Grade 73, 17th WR
WR Brian Thomas, LSU - ESPN Grade 90, 4th WR
WR Xavier Worthy, Texas (**) - ESPN Grade 87, 8th WR
OT Patrick Paul, Houston - ESPN Grade 78, 12th OT
WR Keon Coleman, Florida St (**) - ESPN Grade 87, 9th WR
DT Bryon Murphy, Texas - ESPN Grade 91, 1st DT
WR Adonai Mitchell, Texas - ESPN Grade 89, 5th WR
S Calen Bullock, USC - ESPN Grade 72, 6th S
WR Troy Franklin, Oregon (**) - ESPN Grade 83, 11th WR
WR Xavier Legette, South Carolina - ESPN Grade 89, 6th WR
S Tyler Nubin, Minnesota - ESPN Grade 83, 2nd S
S Javon Bullard, Georgia - ESPN Grade 83, 1st S
S Kamren Kinchens, Miami - ESPN Grade 69, 8th S
WR Jalen McMillan, Washington (**) - ESPN Grade 77, 14th WR
WR Roman Wilson, Michigan - ESPN Grade 79, 12th WR
RB Braelon Allen, Wisconsin - ESPN Grade 62, 7th RB
RB Audric Estime, Notre Dame (**) - ESPN 59, 10th RB
RB Frank Gore Jr, SMU - ESPN Grade 50, 19th RB
DE Jalyx Hunt, Houston - Not graded
DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa (**) - ESPN Grade 90, 3rd DB
C Graham Barton, Duke - ESPN Grade 91, 1st C
OT Kiran Amegadjie, Yale - ESPN Grade OT, 14th OT
All-Star Circuit:
G Garrett Greenfield, South Dakota St, ESPN Grade 43, 18th G
Based on positions met with, and volume of meets, the Bills are really doing their due diligence at S, DT, WR, and RB. We met with all the top WR's, minus the top 3. We met with the best at their positions for S, DT, C. Based on the visits, I think the Bills are fully prepared to go WR at 28, but they are also willing to trade back or take BPA. IF the board falls a certain way, I could see us going C, DT, DB in the 1st, and then trying to trade up in the 2nd.
Regardless, it looks like the Bills have really done their homework for all scenarios at 28, and have their later round, UFA research as well
One thing I will add is don't take this list as gospel. For example, Ladd McConkey has publicly stated he has met with the Bills several times and isn't on these lists online. So someone like BTJ only shows up once compared to the other WR's, but he very well could have had other meetings still.
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41 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
I thought the Bills would consider him which started a string of hate which picked up well in this thread. It's not uncommon for him to be mocked in the late first at this point. As I said in my other post he has physical traits in his arm length and wingspan that we clearly covet given our selection of AJ and Groot. It just wouldn't shock me if they feel he has a first round grade. Hoping we don't see this as well and I'm a WMU grad.
I think you are over thinking AJE to be honest. DE was a major need and he was the top DE in a weak draft to find edge help. So weak, the top guy fell to us in the 2nd and he was the clear BPA and a pretty obvious choice for the Bills, so I think the arm connection here with Groot is more coincidence than a trait they covet to the point they would reach for a day 3 prospect at pick 28.
And no disrespect, but I have to disagree about it being "not uncommon" to be mocked in the first. I have a hard time believing there are a lot of other mocks out there where he goes in the first given he is more often seen as a day 3 pick with potential to maybe go day 2. Edge does fall off early, so I can see him maybe getting into the 2nd round for teams in dire need of help there. But if I was to guess today, I think he more likely goes in the 3rd.
I admit, anything is possible, so won't say never...but I would honestly be stunned to see him go in the first as he would be a massive reach and no where near BPA at any pick in the first IMHO.
12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:There apparently is a lot of buzz on Kneeland being a borderline late 1st early 2nd player among league guys. I don’t see it - wouldn’t even use pick 60 on him. It’s pure projection of his size and athleticism, apparently, because he didn’t exactly dominate the MAC.
I can see the 2nd, edge drops off early, so a team desperate for help might reach. But at 28 and in this Mock, there are higher graded Edge guys still available before he has Kneeland go.
But my comment on how bad this mock draft is was directed at the overall draft. I just felt like its a crazy mock top to bottom and I think its one of the worse ones I have seen overall.
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4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
OMG I would love to see the board explode if this went down.
https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-round-4
Small school edge in round 1 who had 4.5 sacks in the MAC, while Cinci and KC both add WRs, Miami adds an OT, and Colts add a generational TE.
Blocking WR and Robert Woods clone in round 2 and passing on Franklin
Then DT and S
No trades up or down
Standing pat and taking another smurf blocking WR and 3 defenders with the top four picks.... oh this place would melt down
This is maybe the worst and least informed mock draft I can remember to have ever read in any year. I feel like this guy stole time from my life I can't get back.
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Gunner's 2024 Draft Quarterback Evaluations
in The Stadium Wall
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I just have this gut feeling Caleb is gonna not live up to the hype in Chicago. Something about him reminds me of Jeff George...incredible talent but I think his ego and mental aspects are going to be his own worst enemy.
When I look for a QB to have elite potential, a big part of that is inspiring those around them to want to go to war with them. They elevate and motivate those around them, and I lack confidence in Caleb to excel in those areas. Kind of like Jamie Foxx in "Any Given Sunday" where he was a hard guy to like for a while and didn't have the support of everyone in the locker room.
I like Maye's upside potential more than Caleb even though Maye does have a lower floor with more to work on to be a top end QB in the NFL. He has a Josh Allen type ceiling when you watch him play.