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I didn’t take Beanes comments about guys stepping up to be about one of the WRs becoming a boundary WR1 to replace Diggs…more just about young guys stepping up in general using Bernard as an example. Which is why based on his convo and mention of Shakir, I think Shakir is who he is talking about. Remember, Shakir doesn’t have to be a boundary WR to be a big part of our offense, he can do it from the slot. Cole was a more niche player and almost had 1000 yards out of the slot.

Again…wake me when you actually add something to the convo

I think some clarity needs to be made. When Beane was talking about not needing that WR1 it was in reference to being asked about making a big “Diggs” like trade for a proven star WR1 like Aiyuk. Beane stated that Josh was in a different place (when he got Diggs) as an ascending player and they felt someone like Diggs was needed on this team for his continued growth. He then said where Josh is now he doesn’t feel like that is necessary where he needs to make an expensive and big move for a WR1. He did however emphatically state he’s going after a WR in the drafts. And people are mixing up his comments to mean he is not looking for a possible WR1 in draft, which is not at all what he said. Beane knows a WR is coming via draft has to earn his role and isn’t going to be a bonafide WR1 day one. So there is no mistaking anything here, Beane is going after a WR and going to do it early in this draft, in which we all, including Beane, hopes becomes a legit WR1 for Allen.

To be honest, when I was listening interview, I felt like he was referencing Shakir in how he started to emerge last year and set to take on a bigger role. It could be someone else, but the way he was speaking about it just sounded like he was still referencing Shakir who he had referenced as well already. If it wasn’t Shakir and instead someone else, then I think maybe Shorter would make the most sense.

I will take it a step further. Bills may miss the playoffs, make the playoffs, or win the Super Bowl. So let’s all log off since it’s all covered and nothing to discuss about it. Another quality post by you 🙄 Wake me when you actually add something to a conversation

Lol, dude it’s not something anyone can be right or wrong about, so this whole “Alpha gonna spike the ball if we don’t trade up” childish take is stupid. Beane literally does NOT know what he is going to do right now, let alone me or any other person. And he won’t until the draft starts and begins to play out. I didn’t even say he won’t trade up, neither did Beane. I said he doesn’t seem to be actively looking to get into the top 10, but he literally said he would take any call about it and while he hates trading future first round picks that is the deal makes sense he would do it. Some of you have a real issue of deciphering between analytically looking at possible scenarios and deciphering what might be more or less likely versus making absolute declarations of what will for sure happen. All I did was provide my take aways of what Beane appears to be thinking right now, which he pretty clearly stated that he’s not made or received calls about the top 10. He also said this is the week where phones ring off the hook. So yeah, I believe he has not yet had any convos about the top 10…doesn’t mean he won’t have though. More importantly, your counter point of why isn’t he calling the top 10 guys about a trade back since they would be the teams to trade up to 28 with the Bills is pretty obvious and simple. I mean Beane literally said those calls don’t start happening until this week, and second, most of the time those calls, especially at the back of the draft happen during the draft because no one knows how the board will fall and if there is someone there they are willing to spend picks to go get. So yeah, you can take the snarky “Alpha gonna gloat” childish stuff elsewhere. Nothing about my take aways were about being “right” nor are they possible to be “right” given Beane doesn’t know now what he will do until the draft starts playing out. I did NOT rule anything completely out, just commenting on what I think the likeliness of different scenarios happening. And I still very much think Beane will absolutely trade up if a guy he wants gets within reasonable trade range. I just believe it’s to a place closer to us than the top 10, like late teens or 20 and closer.

I do think a trade back is very much in play, especially listening to Beanes presser, however I also have no doubt that if someone graded higher Beane wants gets near them…say pick 20 or closer, that Beane will start looking at making a move and could pull the trigger to get him.

He actually said the opposite. He said they don’t need to get a true WR1 guy, there is not a need for a “Diggs” like when they traded for him and Josh was still developing. He made clear they are going to get a WR though. Maybe just listen for yourself then rather than say I heard what I wanted to hear when I posted exactly what he said. I didn’t say he has spoken to teams to trade down. He literally said this is the week the phone starts ringing off the hook. He specifically said he has not called anyone about moving in the top 10 and no one has called him either as teams that high generally don’t want to move all the way back to 28.

So you’re saying you don’t actually have a point here…got it lol

Who led the team in receiving once Brady took over and had the only 100 yards games (twice)? Diggs or Shakir? Thanks for playing.

Spot on. This ☝️

Or there is the fact that Josh, McD, and Beane made those two a focal point of being heavily involved along with Kincaid this year. Just like how Shakir and Kincaid were even when Diggs and Davis were here once Brady took over. So yeah, you’re wrong about it being by default

Well I mean it doesn't take a leap in logic to know the hit rate is higher in round 1, that is true for every position and the nature of drafting higher graded prospects. Again, my main point is that there is context to every draft that this type of comparison does not account for which I have already mentioned, and that also includes inaccurate assessments of said drafts going into the draft. Where a class proves a lot stronger or worse than was predicted prior to the draft. All good, just my 2 cents Oddly some people still wanted him this offseason lol...goes to show how long draft hype can survive like a long dwindling candle for some of these guys

I think you missed the point...at least the point I took away from it...and that is maybe what the new look offense will are going to bigger opportunities with YAC between guys like Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid being more heavily involved than force feeding Diggs and the plodding of Davis. And YAC was one of the things specifically mentioned today in the pressers about traits they are looking for.

I mean I gave you examples...and I definitely do not agree about 2021. I did not find that to be a great draft in the day 2 and day 3 range at WR. So all I am saying, every draft is very different. You can't just look at a hit rate from one draft and then equally compare it to the hit rate of the next draft which has totally different level of talent in it, not to mention, total different level of complexity too on how the draft falls based on the strength and weaknesses of other positions affecting teams decisions too.

To be clear I did not at all say he wouldn't do anything. I definitely wasn't saying he wouldn't go get a WR, and he was very clear he intends to go get a WR. What I was actually saying is that its pretty clear that moving to the top 10, at least as of now, to get one of the top 3 seems highly unlikely between what he would have to get up and teams even being willing to move that far down in the first place. And if you put together all his statements, I think its pretty clear a guy like Aiyuk is very unlikely. He said multiple things about now wanting to give up the picks, cap considerations, and Josh not being a place where he feels that is necessary move to make. I mean, all of these are open to interpretations, so doesn't mean I am right...but IMHO its pretty clear that he doesn't have his mind on trading for a proven guy. And the DeVonta deal for $25m per for a WR2 is going to jack the price up even higher for someone like Aiyuk. So I think it has almost no chance of happening. Just my 2 cents though. I woudln't be surprised if he looked into it or if the Niners called Beane though. He was very adamant about not being afraid to move up, but he was referencing more of those smaller move ups that don't cost future first round picks. Now he did say he would trade his first if the deal made sense, and I believe him. But to make sense, I think he needs to really covet that player. So would he go get Thomas? Maybe, they met with him once, so they at least showed interest. But I think 20 or later is the spot where that comes into play, where they can do it and probably not have to give up next years first.

As I mentioned above, I don't think you listened to the interview because no where in the interview did he indicate anything they plan to do. I get what you are saying, I am just saying it doesn't really apply here in that way based on the subjects of conversation.

Well I don't think you listened to the interview. None of the stuff discussed are things that would be misleading teams, being tricky, etc. He was talking the way he always does and the things he was saying are pretty spot on with his time here. People tend to throw this blanket statement out about everything a GM says as if everything they say has some impact on how the draft will fall. None of what they said has any impact really on the draft. And Beane has proven to be pretty honest in the past with the kind of things he was saying today. So I think to disregard it as just "draft smokesreens" is really ignoring Beane's history.

There are no reports of Bills meeting with any of the big 3, and based on Beanes presser, I think there is almost no chance he his eying a move for one. We have however met with BTJ once (at least reported once). However, Beane was pretty adamant about not liking trading future first round picks. While he said he would do it if the deal made sense, it really was not something he wants to or likes to do and referenced the team regretting it when they did so in Carolina. On the flip side, he was very blunt about being aggressive to go get a guy when he gets close enough to make sure they get him. So IMHO, I think moving up for BTJ isn't realistic until he gets to probably at least 20, if he even gets to 20. And there has been some smoke about maybe Pitt and Bills swapping picks at 20. I am even more of that belief when you see the amount of interest they have in other WR's where they have had multiple visits with them like Franklin, McConkey, Coleman, Worthy, etc.

This lacks a lot of context. Not every draft is equal, some drafts are top heavy and weak outside the top guys like 2021 for example. Then others were considered weak for top tier prospects, but very deep for 2nd tier prospects outside round 1 like 2019. The hit rates and miss rates very much follow the patterns of the draft strength/weakness at the position. So this doesn't IMHO dictate a model to follow and really shows you need to understand the strength and weakness of the position in each given draft to know what you need to do if you want to address WR. In a year like 2022 or 2021 where the draft going in was seen as a top heavy WR draft and weak after that, you better making a move to go get a guy. But in a year like 2019, where there wasn't a lot of highly graded guys but a lot of strength in the depth, you are better letting it come to you or even trading back instead of reaching for a N'Keal Harry. This is a very deep draft, there are going to be a lot of guys who become good players outside the first round this draft.

I think there is no chance Kneeland is the pick for the Bills in the first. In the 2nd, yes. Not in the first. Beane literally said while he has more first round grades on players this year than last years weak draft, he specifically stated its still less than 28 players. There is no way Kneeland is one of his first round graded players that probably is around 20 to 22 players. He also said while he would take someone on the DL at 28, it would really depend on who is there and that he feels good about getting one outside the first round. Meaning maybe if one of the top 3 guys get there who are expected to go earlier he would consider it...he isn't talking about Kneeland IMHO. While I am all for them taking Kneeland later, I do not at all think its remotely possible it would be at 28. But, thats just my opinion, anything is possible. But that would be an absolute shock to probably just about everyone as he is currently a round 2 or 3 guy in just about everyones eyes.

https://bleacherreport.com/post/sports-betting/913586c7-723c-4be5-b20a-abdda04c4112 Jayden going 2nd odds decrease and Mayes increase. Like I’ve been saying, I’m hearing Maye is getting momentum in Washington

It definitely came across pretty authentic if you watch the whole interview and I think it’s because he knows for a team to move back to 28 is going to cost a lot as teams won’t have a lot of interest to move back that far, if any at all.

Respectfully disagree, Beane has always been pretty straight forward with this stuff and he is echoing what he has always said and done.