WhitewalkerInPhilly

I already said this, but it answers your question: Right now, Democrats have zero reason to bend. And, if they want to do ANYTHING in the next two years, they have to separate any deal from a government shutdown. The continuing resolutions that can get passed expire in three months, and if Trump knows that he can make insane demands on a whim every three months and they'll cave, he'll keep doing it. In the meanwhile, unless opinion radically shifts, they can let Trump keep shooting himself in the foot for 2020. Polls have people blaming Trump more for the shutdown than Democrats, and if they keep sending bill after bill for a clean passage to open the government and then negotiate for the wall, they keep looking reasonable while Trump keeps killing off votes for anyone outside of his cult. If Trump declares a national emergency for his wall, and then refuses to open the government...whew, I think even Teflon Don is not surviving that. If Trump declares a national emergency for his wall, and then the government opens...oh hey, legal challenge that will stop it like his travel ban. And even then, it will take a year to actually start building, and there's no way the wall gets down before 2020. They don't have to do anything while Trump continues to stick his dick in the meat grinder. Always good to hear sounds coming from the short bus

It's not "too expensive" It's useless. It doesn't stop the flow of people. It doesn't stop the flow of drugs. It won't lower crime No one knows if it will stop human trafficking Building it means forcibly selling land from private citizens It is going to continue to be a massive expenditure to maintain and staff. In short, if you want to wave your dick around about national security, put that money into things that might, I don't know, actually work, like hiring more border agents. Getting more lawyers to process asylum claims. Rework the path the legal residency and/or citizenship which reflects the reality of the situation and establish a way to track people who are here. As for the Democratic platform...well, the newcomers have some ideas. It remains to be seen if Pelosi is able to take them. Actually, I think that might happen. The problem is that we need to separate the shutdown from immigration. The continuing resolutions that can get passed expire in three months, and if Trump knows that he can make insane demands on a whim every three months and they'll cave, he'll keep doing it. Addition: In the meanwhile, unless opinion radically shifts, they can let Trump keep shooting himself in the foot for 2020. Polls have people blaming Trump more for the shutdown than Democrats, and if they keep sending bill after bill for a clean passage to open the government and then negotiate for the wall, they keep looking reasonable while Trump keeps killing off votes for anyone outside of his cult.

...because you said the problem was brown people?

Ehh, I don't hate them, but you have to plan it well and make sure that it's a profitable route. And thanks for showing the true views of Trumpism on brown people Oh look, you ran away and hid because of the facts hurting your "feelz"! Or did you get triggered by seeing a cartoon of a brown person? Do you need your safe space?

Cool. You want specific evidence that the Wall's benefit does not clearly equal a stop to human trafficking? https://www.inquisitr.com/5243438/fact-checking-a-white-house-claim-that-a-wall-could-stop-drugs-human-trafficking/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/will-trump-s-border-wall-prevent-human-trafficking-experts-aren-n751466 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-patrol-officers-us-mexico-border-wall/ Here's a nice little bit from a border agent

...thank you for validating your inability to see facts that don't cater to your fairy tale delusions. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683205814/fact-check-trumps-oval-office-pitch-for-a-border-wall Border crossings are at a 46 year low, and have been steadily dropping since their peak in 2000. They are lower than 2014 and 2016. According to the DEA most drugs come through legal points of entry Immigrants are statistically less likely to convict crimes than native born residents. I've said all this before. With the same evidence. I know you're "feelz" are butthurt, but you are embarrassing yourself.

Well, apart from the fact that we won't have $25 billion because we spent it on something useless... It is going to require the seizure of private lands via eminent domain. There actually are long term environmental concerns, but I doubt you give a hot deuce about those. I have to think that having your land forcibly sold away from you might bother people. Especially for such a colossal waste.

I honestly think he's overrated. I never feared the Dolphins under him, and Darnold is hardly a lock to even match Tanny.

I think it's because even I, bastion of patience that I am, get annoyed when I provide you two knuckleheads independently verifiable facts, and you go "Nah. You're wrong. Why are you so emotional?" It's like trying to convince small children, only they are cleverer and less stubborn than you two. Ahh man, it's a shame. I kind of liked him, but I guess he missed the fact that we keep finding them. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/solar-powered-drug-tunnel-discovered-on-mexican-border-with-california https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/us/drug-tunnel-arizona-mexico-trnd/index.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_tunnel#US–Mexico It's almost like drug cartels are very motivated people and have more ingenuity than Lil' Baby Trump.

...I mean, that's an extremely low bar to set. But yes, I can rebuke that. You see, we managed to get through that humanitarian crisis with compassion without completely disregarding the rule of law. Guess what you don't need to do that? Answer: A wall. You stupid shites. Further answer: You know what isn't getting passed while Trump shuts down the government: $1.9 Billion in border security.

Give Nancy? Dude, the Senate unanimously voted on the continuing resolutions that the House signed. It's Lil' Baby Trump who is trying to tack something on at the last moment.

You know...passing out candy, and then literally going "Bye Bye" because Pelosi didn't immediately giving what he wants... I honestly could not have made a bigger case for Lil' Trump Awww...he's trying to waste billions in spending and give white nationalists hardons….

You mean that time when the Democrats reopened the government after Trump reneged about the DACA fix? I don't know how you can look at President Con Man and think it's the DEMS who are the lying two faced pieces of excrement.

Well, if the shutdown continues, we can turn off the water in the Whitehouse https://wamu.org/story/19/01/08/the-feds-didnt-pay-their-5-million-water-bill-can-d-c-shut-off-water-to-the-white-house/

You mean...that when Trump shoots himself in the foot and causes mass absences from the TSA (and no inspections form the FAA), and holds up the funding for border security...and it's somehow the Democrats fault? It's Lil' Baby Donny and whose whining is causing it and Turtle Head Mitch who isn't holding his feet to the fire. The Trumptards here and around the nation have honestly cured me of the illusion that America is great right now. I think they got it right here: It goddamn used to be.

You're offering a false dichotomy and a nice bit of circular logic. When you say "Everyone who crosses the border illegally is a criminal" and then "We have to increase border security, look at all the criminals we caught crossing the border" you get a nice bit of a feedback loop. I am all for stemming the drug flow into the country. I am all for stopping human trafficking. But, as I have repeatedly brought up in those fact check articles, most of the drug smuggling is through legal ports of entry. Human trafficking is in no way inhibited by the wall. All the wall does is give you a hardon. As for the others things you mentioned... Remember when America was great...it seems to be when we had all those immigrants.

But...but...I was told by Boyst that the Washington Post can't be trusted Wait...you don't have issues with national security? What a relief. We almost built an effin' wall!

Funny, that's not what he said: "I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck" I think we all remember that. I seem to remember the Senate passing a bill to avoid a shutdown 100-0, told that this would avert a shutdown. I seem to remember a sudden flip right after that. Trump took the credit. So goes the credit, goes the blame. If you want to ride McConnell too, let's go ahead, but the decision is 100% on Lil' Baby Trumpy

Why? They didn't shut the government down. Every person who gets screwed over by Trump means another person more likely to vote for them. If they DO eventually give an inch, then they're the heroes who had to make a devil's bargain.

Democrats: "Hi we passed a bill to fund the government, which included border security. We can debate and negotiate the other thing you want once that is done." Trump: "No. Give me it now. I will be responsible for shutting the government down." Democrats: "...ok." Trump: "...are you ready to give me what I want yet?" Democrats: "...No. We said we can discuss it after the government is open." Trump: "Why did you shut the government down then?!!!" Yeah...both sides. Kind of like how it's both sides when someone commits vehicular manslaughter and the others shouted.

Read my ****ing location you moron. It's like saying "Buffalo" when you play your games in Orchard Park.

It will be on Friday. Clearly, "aren't getting" is not the same thing as "Haven't got" Food stamps will in about a month. People already can't get any federal processing of loans. Contractors who worked for the federal government are unlikely to get backpay. It's funny watching the people who love Breitbart and Fox News calling other people drones...oh wait, you just said that Fox News wasn't a reliable source. How is 4chan and the Daily Stormer working for you?

The veto threatened to shutdown the government if any spending bill is passed without "DA WALL!!!!!!!!! NANCY AND CHUCK WON'T GIVE ME MY WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAL" The spending Bills passed the House. They are the same bills that the Senate unanimously passed back in December, 100-0. It's just lil' Baby Donny having his temper tantrum that is holding things up.

I'm in Jersey. Thank Christ, I don't need to call them. Both are voting yes on the bills that would restart the government without an extra $5 billion in useless spending. The question is "why aren't you calling your congressmen to get them off their asses and override the damn veto"

So...for people who aren't paying attention and are completely oblivious, he did more by restating exactly the same baloney he says on Twitter? I don't buy it. That little pep talk going to do jack for the people who aren't getting paychecks, or are about to run out of food stamps, or can't close on a house or aren't getting their tax refunds.