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Agreed with all of this. Trying to peg all the blame on the goaltender is difficult; Patrick Roy had a losing record in Game 7s--- in fact, he holds the distinction of having the most Game 7 losses in history, with 7. Hardly means he's not an elite player. I highly doubt Roy ever went into a Game 7 with the team Miller went in with tonight, either.

Miller was pulled to spare him from the onslaught. Due to injury subs and being generally gassed overall, the team put on the ice for Game 7 was inferior to the team that started the series--- and the team that started the series wasn't as good as Philly to begin with, talentwise.

I agree. I just think that was the inference being made by Nix--- whether that reveals they're true intentions or not is up in the air.

If neither the 1st nor 2nd pick is a QB, then they'll have the pick of the litter at #3 of any QB. The only guarantee of which players will be available are the QBs. You've got it backwards, I think--- the Q posited to Nix was what if the first 2 picks go by and neither of them are QBs.

All of the posts deriding the original subject line for being misleading were made before it was edited to a more appropriate wording. Originally... and for a few hours... the subject line said "Uniform Announcement". Which reads as though the post contained information about when an announcement would be made, not a question. That's all.

Is it necessary for you to post that information every single time or is it possible for us to, like, you know... remember stuff? It's not exactly hard to deduce why you hold such an opinion considering your ballwashing for Leach (which I'm sure you realize invalidates all of your football opinions)--- you participated in an earlier thread where a link quoted that Leach "hadn't seen enough" of Luck and was sure Mallett was the best of the bunch. Why anyone would take you seriously is beyond me. Not from me you haven't, and your crusade is embarrassing. No other poster is trolling threads (or starting new ones) the way you have been to argue about Luck/Mallett. No one is seeking you out to "prove you wrong". If there's a clown in the TSW circus it's The Senator and his copious use of smileys, bold/italics. It makes your posts neither more interesting nor does it disguise the flaws in your ****ty football logic. Your arguments don't even hold water. It's laughable that Luck has enough experience to be drafted in the NFL? But Mallett's brief playing time in 2007 at Michigan (where he struggled mightily) proves he's a stud worthy of the 1st pick. Yeah, nice bull **** phantom argument.

Are you suggesting that Ryan Mallett has substantially more playing experience than Andrew Luck? His 141 passing attempts way back when in 2007 with Michigan were not further examples of his NFL potential and hardly add to his resume. Mallett may turn out to be a better QB than Luck, but this particular argument is beyond embarrassing. The fact that your crusading opinions on Mallett/Luck parrot verbatim those of Mike Leach says it all--- in fact, your man crushes on Leach and Harrell say a lot in regards to the validity of your opinions. And yes, you think Luck likely won't declare in 2011. We all heard you the first 1,000 times.

Is it actually confusing that different people have different opinions? Wait, you like Ryan Mallett? I'm totally stunned with confusion now because there are completely different posters on this message board that like Andrew Luck How is that possible???

Knowing what we had in Edwards was pretty much a dead heat for not exactly knowing what might've been with Vick, prior to the season--- I can't imagine why anyone would pick Edwards to Vick purely on football, though, because it seems obvious the "push" would go for Vick. Still, it was purely 100% speculation that Vick could even return to his previously mediocre QBing, and absolutely no one could have expected him to play Tecmo Bowl level football this year. If you attempt to suggest otherwise you are flat out lying. Plus, it's kind of pathetic that you're posting on a message board at midnight on a weekday that you "can't wait" to prove how right you were by... posting a message board thread in the morning. Christmas Day for the lonely football fanatic? WRONG. Still no prize for metzelaars_lives

I generally dislike McShay, but his comments about Jamarcus' workouts make sense when considering his physical talents alone. Even Jamarcus' college coaches stated that he'd need to commit to putting in practice and film study work to make it in the NFL--- which he admittedly never did. Michael Vick didn't work hard in Atlanta, is doing so now in Philly, and it shows. Russell had all the physical tools to succeed in the NFL, but he didn't dedicate himself to it, which was his downfall.

Why would you bother? Haven't there already been a million of those threads? The people that "preferred" Edwards to Vick have more than likely not changed their minds (even after this season's first 9 weeks) because that preference was never about football in the first place. Also, you don't get a prize or special recognition from the Message Board Gods for... whatever it is you're trying to do.

He still posts as dog14787 at The Aud Club on Sabrespace.com, if anyone wants to check down--- I mean, check in with him and see how Trent's balls are doing.

I don't think Maybin wrote the lyrics or is actually doing the rapping--- it's by a Baltimore area rapper named Caddy da Don, which is how it's credited on Maybin's website. Uhhh, not that there's any justification for it's existence. That's true enough, but Stevie's raps were pretty good, even when he wasn't playing. I think it's just that we'd all prefer if Maybin didn't commission "theme music" boasting of his NFL pass rushing prowess while his website's "highlight" video is so heavily padded. Heavily padded yet still unimpressive. He's just a kid, trying to live the dream. It's not really his fault he was so grossly overvalued as an NFL prospect.

According to the timestamp on the two posts he went from 0-to-60 on Andrew Luck info in 5 minutes! I wonder which identity he intended to use? Or how many others he also has... If that's the case, poor form.

Those same physical attributes that appear to make Maybin an intriguing fit at the tight end position are also what made him such an enticing prospect as a pass rusher. I think if his major problem so far is a lack of football instincts it won't really matter what position he plays. Although, if they're going to give up on him outright, of course it makes sense to at least find some use for him. Once upon a time, the Atlanta Falcons tried switching another pass rushing high draft pick, Aundray Bruce, from OLB to TE when he proved to not be a very effective football player, but the results of the experiment were pretty underwhelming (1 single career reception for 11 yards). In fact, Bruce had 6 sacks in each of his first 2 seasons and actually hung around in the NFL for 11 total years---- and he's still regarded as one of the biggest "busts" in NFL history. That shows how far behind Maybin is--- not even comparable to a giant bust like Aundray Bruce.

Good DNA, Dad was a NFL QB then a GM... Luck was a validictorian at his hs. Grew up in London and Germany.... Some cold weather.... He is 6'4 235 lbs,.... Young Redshirt sophamore,..... I Cant see him coming out I'm confused by how you replied to yourself; it sounds like a 2nd poster responding to the comment of the 1st poster. Is this proof that you have multiple screen names and forgot to sign in as your other identity?

I think losing Roscoe is going to be a huge detriment to the offense. Week after week he's made huge catches in 3rd and long situations. With Lee Evans also being hobbled by an injury in practice this week and the running game already struggling it's very possible the offense overall doesn't keep us in games the way it has the past few weeks. I'm just saying--- with an 0-8 team, things need to go our way in an overwhelming fashion to get off the schneid, and injuries to a major component like Roscoe Parrish decreases our chances of winning a game, IMHO.

"Racially condescending" was what I thought you were implying... BUT, I don't know that I think that particular quote is terribly patronizing. If the reference to Cookie "only having a high school education" was not a contextually appropriate response... in other words, if Ralph threw that in to the conversation as a means of slighting Gilchrist, only... then, yes, I think it's patronizing. Since he also referred to him as being smart, I doubt that is the case, though. Otherwise, the comment sounds very much like what many of Cookie's teammates, friends (including Larry Felser, for whom Gilchrist still cares deeply), and other AFL contemporaries have said about the man. I'll do some googling to see if I can find references of a similar, but perhaps more damning, nature.

Alright--- I apologize for any hubbub. I can certainly understand that if Wilson made racially condescending comments even during the early 1960s it could lead to this thought process. I plead ignorance to any specific comments but I'll take you at your word until proven otherwise. In 1969, James Harris was the first African American opening day starting QB in American pro football history, which he accomplished as a Buffalo Bill, of course. The 1st to start a game at QB, period, was Marlin Briscoe, who shortly thereafter became a Bill. To mention these two players it's fair to point out these facts. I'd also argue that the Buffalo Bills of the '60s were at the forefront of racial integration issues in pro football, on the merits of Cookie Gilchrist, Ernie Warlick, and Jack Kemp leading the discussion on the matter and protesting the many disadvantages that black players faced. It's not to Ralph Wilson's credit necessarily that his players took on these socially relevant responsibilities, but it's fair to mention. Gilchrist notwithstanding (I believe he had issues with both Saban and Wilson, but as a rather contentious figure during his playing days, he also had issues with the ownership and coaching staffs of every team for which he played), most African American players and coaches employed by the Buffalo Bills have had near universal praise for Wilson. Thurman Thomas, Darryl Talley, & Bruce Smith were players that discussed race openly during their playing days, but I've never heard a disparaging word about Ralph from any of them--- in fact, by all accounts, they love the man. The so called "Bickering Bills" of 1989 is the only instance where I recall a racially charged atmosphere at OBD---- and all parties have stated that the whole matter was blown way out of proportion by the media--- and none of it was linked to Ralph Wilson, anyhow. I think the fact Fewell was named the HC even on an interim basis kind of makes the point moot, no? I can't see an owner of a pro sports team having an aversion toward hiring black coaches and then signing off on one even for that brief of a period of time. Leslie Frazier isn't really well thought of at the moment, as his defense is crumbling (not his fault, really, but nonetheless), Vick was untouched by every single team but the Eagles, and McNabb is not a good fit for a young rebuilding team. If Andrew Luck were African American, declared for the draft, and the Bills held the #1 pick, Ralph himself would sprint to the podium to call his name, IMHO.

My "favorite" Shoppism was a comment he made referring to Jim Kelly as Mensa-smart about football. The point being, of course, that Kelly had exceptional football intelligence, which is not a terrible point--- until I read an older Buffalo News profile written by Larry Felser which happened to mention that Mike Shopp was a member of: Mensa. Suddenly, what seemed at first to be a rather innocuous comment about Jimbo became a brutally arrogant self reference. I liked him much better on WNSA when he was competing directly against Chuck Dickerson. After he came to WGR he started getting whiny and bloated with self importance.

My point: there was no substance to your post, so the appearance stood out, somewhat--- but not enough to hide the fact that you're a moron. Do you understand symmetry? Your "internet-tough-guy-pat-yourself-on-the-back-witticism" in response to the symmetry comment makes as much sense as your unsubtle accusation that Ralph Wilson is a racist. Internet grammar and punctuation doesn't bother me all that much, but if you want other posters to care enough to read your posts and take you seriously you should make the absolutely minimal effort it would take to at least resemble common english.

Quick--- give me tonight's lottery numbers!

somebody had to say it..can't prove it but it was likely a factor. the minority coaching rules were implemented with owners like wilson in mind. he has never had, nor ever will have a longstanding black head coach. leslie frazier apparently wasn't seriously considered either. It's funny... coldstorage5 capitalizes nearly every word in his post, then birdog1960 doesn't capitalize a single word/name/place in his response. There's an odd sort of symmetry to this, but the utter lack of a cogent point still bypasses any amusement otherwise produced. I may be going out on a limb here, but I think it's relatively safe to say the supposed point of these posts is absolutely ridiculous on it's face. We should probably leave it at that.

The count at this point in time: Lott 27 Atwater 3 Pretty decisive. For the record, the full extent of the "Pro-Atwater, Anti-Lott" argument that the Atwater booster was making in the shoutbox was thus: -Ronnie Lott's reputation was made by the 49ers "hype machine" alone. -Steve Atwater once hit Christian Okoye very hard and knocked him down. -Steve Atwater forced a (admittedly decisive) fumble in a Super Bowl -Ronnie Lott's play declined when he was with the Raiders & Jets. Our "Pro-Lott" (albeit not Anti-Atwater) argument: -Ronnie Lott was a 1st team All-Pro at Cornerback, Strong Safety, and Free Safety -had 63 interceptions and 5 return TDs to Atwater's 24 ints and 1 TD -was 4-0 in Super Bowls as opposed to Atwater's 1-2 (a team stat to be sure, but a point made as a counter) -the "fingertip amputation" at halftime, which is really just a colorful anecdote. -the fact that although he maintained a high level of play and in fact was an All-Pro and lead the NFL in interceptions in his first year with the Raiders, his play did not noticeably decline until 34 years old (and he played 2 more seasons after that)... whereas Atwater was forced into retirement at age 33. -the final and perhaps most decisive point is that the near consensus view of Ronnie Lott is that he is one of the Greatest Players in the History of the NFL... and Atwater, although very good, simply falls much much short of that status. Anyway, the shoutbox is overflowing with a global warming debate, so I felt the need to clarify the point of this thread for my own edification.