San Jose Bills Fan

:lol: Well done.

The opportunity to draft a player like Luck is an historical opportunity. A team has to be in the right place at the right time to draft a player like him. I don't think due diligence had anything to do with drafting Luck. It was a no-brainer. Former Colts HC Jim Caldwell was 24-8 with Peyton Manning and 2-14 without him. The only difference was the QB. Suddenly the organization that was good became horrible because of the loss of one player. There's a lot of legitimate reason to believe that the Colts success is mostly attributable to having the first pick overall in a draft which had a once-in-a-generation QB prospect. The Richardson trade, the Sheppard/Hughes trade… there's lots of reasons to believe that they have a very average football department.

Dalton. Wow.

Yep. They also have a nice running back stable.

It's also luck and circumstances. The Bills botched in passing Wilson and Kaepernick no doubt in my mind. I suppose they could have traded up from #3 (Dareus) had Carolina been willing to trade down. Then we could have drafted Cam Newton. But you have to be lucky (or intentionally bad) to even have an opportunity to draft Elway, Manning, Luck. There is truly an element of luck in getting a franchise QB, which is partly why most NFL teams don't have one.

As I've posted before, it makes you wonder if Cinci fans wish the team would have drafted Kaepernick. I don't think I'd be thrilled with a ceilinged QB like Dalton for the Bills. Great play by Maualuga.

That's a very interesting article. Thanks for posting. In fairness to Talleywhacker, his offensive line was horrible and his receivers were average at best. The amazing thing about Andrew Luck is that he has transcended the marginal talent around him. Kapernick and Russell Wilson are very lucky to have landed on talent-stacked teams. Luck had no such luck. It was amazing to see him initially hurt by the loss of Reggie Wayne and then work through that to develop a rapport with Brazill and Rogers. Luck appears to be one of those very rare QBs who truly makes those around him better. Back on topic, Watkins is one of several players I'd love at #9.

Dalton's gotta throw that ball away.

A refreshingly different take.

Could it be both?

My point, poorly made was that fans don't have patience with young QBs. When the Eagles came out 1-3 in their first 4 games, the Philly fans didn't believe that the answer to the team's QB problems was Nick Foles based on his rookie season. That started to change once Foles started playing but then he laid an egg against Dallas and the doubters came out of the woodwork again.

Very interesting. Thanks.

True. But he's a beautiful football player.

They were impatient because Foles played 7 games as a rookie, starting 6 of them and because the team also drafted Matt Barkley. In spite of having a very good rookie year, very few Philly fans believed that Foles was the answer. Go figure.

Just pointing out the irony of blaming offensive playcalling in a game where they scored 44 points. But I agree that the playcalling was a factor in the loss.

He might "retire."

Yep. Once you violate a person's personal space and make physical contact, it crosses a line. The fact that it was an edited videotape which showed only what the videomaker wanted us to see doesn't mean that the immature practice didn't escalate into some bad feelings. They just didn't show us those instances. And as Jeff pointed out upthread, the videomakers chose easy marks to dunk on.

The Seattle coaching staff stuck with Wilson and modified things to help him succeed, that's for sure. By midseason he was playing very well. Like many I was very pro-Wilson before the draft. To those saying he was too short we pointed out that Wisconsin had the tallest O-line in college football (average 6'6") and that his yards per attempt and yards per completion were very high meaning he had zero problems seeing downfield. Here's the thing no one has mentioned in this thread: Wilson walked into a great situation. Seattle was a playoff caliber team with gobs of talent on the O-line, at running back, and on defense. What Luck has done is much more impressive in that the talent level in Indy is much lower than it was/is in Seattle, IMO. This is true. Jim would be more accurate to say that the Bills pooped and he doesn't like the poop. Or to mix metaphors, the Bills have already delivered the baby and left the delivery room. Many think it's an ugly baby, some don't. But the baby's been delivered.

I remember the occasional cattle calls for snow shovelers at the stadium. Anyone shoveling would get to attend the game as an extra bonus. Nice anecdotes.

While I'm a believer in EJ, there's no guarantee he'll become a premier QB, especially if he can't shake the injury bug. Therefore as I've posted before I'm not against drafting another QB. Rookie QBs typically play poorly and it's hard to tell what you have for 2-3 seasons. I think it would be unconventional but justifiable to double-down on the position.

If he follows in the footsteps of Da'Rick Rogers, Colt Lyeral will be playing for the Colts at this time next year. He'll make one circus catch in the wild card round and there will be a 38 page thread on him. Oh, and the Bills will have fired their tight ends coach at the end of next season.

Didn't Kansas City's 2 top RBs go out with injury? Also, isn't it mostly on the sieve-like defense? If you want to criticize his choice of D-Coordinators I would agree more with you.

FWIW, four premium picks: "Redskins acquired the pick by giving the Rams four high-value draft picks over three years: their No. 6 overall pick in 2012, their second-round pick in 2012, and their first-round picks in 2013 and 2014." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_griffin_III#2012_NFL_Draft

Kelly owned Marino. I think that's how most people here look at it.

"There are plenty of franchises who have never had 1 QB as good as either of those guys." Not bad. How about the other 25 teams?