HardyBoy

This study has some flaws with regards to sample bias, but I think it shows a very stark reality...if you show symptoms of CTE and played football, regardless of the other confounding variables, then you very likely have CTE. That's not nothing, and should open a lot of doors for earlier access to behavioral therapies to hopefully preserve as much function as possible, for as long as possible. Symptoms don't mean you're crazy, they mean you have a diagnosable condition that would benefit from therapy. This study should help get those therapies covered by insurance using symptoms as a diagnosis criteria.

Wins definitely don't pick up in Nov/Dec...exact opposite actually...

You have an interdependence going on I think. QBs are often drafted in the first round, especially underclassmen qbs, and qb is the least important position when it comes to athleticism. I would check the correlation of combine performance on draft position for qbs compared to other positions and I bet it's significantly weaker, if not negatively correlated, since athletic freaks likely get pushed to different positions early on (that could be interesting to explore, amd might explain why freak o-linemen are so rare/valuable). What happens to your data when you exclude qbs, or at least nonfreak qbs (going on the logic that say tebow could have played TE for example)? This is really awesome though, real cool concept! What did you use to do the analysis? I've been learning/using R and it's crazy cool, and I do a lot of stuff in excel too.

I hear that, but I think that applies more to basketball than it does football. In basketball the success rate of players outside many times the top 2 or 3 in a draft is unlikely. That is especially true if you are talking super stars, which is needed if you want a chance at a title. NFL is different, and while the rookie salary slotting helped, having late first round picks seem to be more valuable. Of course that could be because having good players across a roster means you pick later in the first. Problem with tanking by gutting your roster in the nfl is average careers are so short, that you might waste much of your high draft picks' primes while rebuilding the rest, though the new economy of the nfl allows you to find cheap highly effective veterans readily available. Still, if you are tanking, I think the browns current route of trading down, stocking assets to allow huge number of picks over two or three drafts, and build an entire team that way could work...but again the bust rate is really high.

This sucks...

You're still doing it...

The irony of someone complaining about a thread's existence, and then hijacking that same thread is pretty classic.

Ha, probably explains more that I'm full of crap on this one, had zero data to back it up.

I think there can be a balance. One thread with 40+ pages with every important and different root cause mixed together makes it really difficult to discuss the various aspects fully, and is a nightmare to jump into if you are coming in after the thread reaches 10+ pages. Just my perspective and two cents. I've been on this board since 07 or 08, so not a new addition, and I feel like this thread consolidation is a fairly new development, and it is making my experience less enjoyable.

Jake Long...Parcells lost a lot of credibility after the Miami stint...the league passed him by and the new fact of nfl cap management allows you to win more by starting rookies and spending the savings elsewhere.

Here's the thing about the captain checkdown argument, I don't believe it to be accurate prior the hit. I'll try and do some analysis later, but this Trent Edward's highlight video was posted Oct 2008, which is right around the time of that Cards game I believe. I know highlights are hand picked, but these are anticipation throws on time and on target into tight windows, with the poise to let a play develop knowing there is a hit coming. https://youtu.be/sZk9bINoPG4 That is not the same player who turned into Captain Checkdownl. Also, Edwards and Peterman both do the same leg lift it looks like.

That's fine, I'm not saying he's the next franchise qb, just hoping someone can break down the similarities and differences between him and another former bills qb. There are videos now that tell me why Peterson has potential, by breaking down actual game tape. That didn't exist when Trent Edwards was playing.

I remember that and it was probably a hit during that next game that really did the damage. He shouldn't have played, thought that at the time, and he would have been held out if that was 2017. That next game wasn't a fluke, he was becoming that player.

Yeah, but back in 2007, the only analysis you could get was "poised." Curious what poised looked like, and what specifically made Trent Edwards the most complete qb since kelly? What happened to Edward's eyes and his poise after that hit? What does,'dropping your eyes' mean, and how does it impact mechanics?

How do the two compare before the Arizona game, after which Edwards was clearly not the same? 1) Arm strength 2) Anticipation 3) Drop back depth 4) Play action deception 5) Foot work 6) Eyes 7) Poise 8) Accuracy 9) Mobility 10) Decision making 11) Gameplan flexibility for your team due to ability to excel in multiple aspects of the position 11) Difficulty to gameplan against due to ability to excel in multiple aspects of the position Note that I got basically all of these points from the Cover1 podcast video on Nathan Peterman on YouTube, and it's really good if you haven't watched it. https://youtu.be/OpaY4jT6f_Q Hoping to get someone who knows quarterbacking to compare the two players on those points (or any that make sense), especially since Cover1 said Peterman can stand in the pocket and have patience for a play to develop, even if it means a big hit, and Edwards was never the same after doing just that.

Sounds like BB must have pioneered the idea of losing games to help your tie breaker...he truly is not just ahead of his time, but this board as well Get what you're saying, problem is, it sounds like a coordinated effort to injure players/remove the head of the snake, or whatever crazy thing douggg was saying. Forget that being incredibly against the rules, that would require him putting his players in a position to be fined heavily and possibly suspended, which is a fine as well. Players won't go for that since the new rules on fines, and say what you will about the guy, but BB does seem to care about his players, Parcells on the other hand...

Read below, and this staff's attempt at culture change appears a lot more genuine and in line with how to succeed based on the article: https://theundefeated.com/features/all-22-an-nfl-head-coachs-first-mistake-is-trying-to-immediately-change-a-teams-culture/

Add to that the pats were playing quickly, and not getting huge chunks of yards. 10 more minutes on the field, but they played an extra game's worth of snaps compared to the Pats d (twice as many snaps)...that's insane.

I could be totally wrong on below, I just played whole lot of Madden a long time ago. I did play soccer, basketball and lax, and I definitely get defensive principles (bringing help from the weakside, funneling the play, jumping passing lanes, etc), but really appreciate these types of threads b/c I have no real clue how they apply to football. How does that look when the offense is strong right 3 wr & te slot right, and the d is lined up 4-3 with strong lb shading of the te's outside shoulder? I think I get what front 7 is doing playing contain on the ends, shooting/stunting the center with the dts and forcing the play to the middle and strong side lbs, who have to cover well, but almost in a smart play specific way for a short period of time. A bit shacky on what this looks like in the secondary though. Are they playing man on the strong side, with strong side saftey rolling back into deep middle zone, weak side saftey playing 10-15 yard zone choosing their zone on the snap, weak side cb dropping deep man with the weak side lb stepping into the slant passing lane and carrying the passing lane up the field and transfering to the weakside cb, then taking the zone the wk side safety didnt take?

It doesn't matter, I heard people are saying new coach is going to prefer boneless wings from Pizza Hut...we're dooomed

Completely disagree. The Miami Hurricanes had how many first round draft picks the last couple years under Golden, and they sucked on defense. The reason was the d was overly complicated. It took away one of their biggest advantages, which was speed and first step. It's not about being stupid, they could get to their spots, it's about that split second where you are thinking before moving that screws you.

Anyone have a link to a clip of the play? Thought I remembered his momentum taking him out of bounds on that play.

Absolutely, but the 2000 Ravens had 6 close games (7 or fewer points). Granted only like one or two of those were over 20 points (product of bad offense most likely, so might be a bad example).

What was the avg margin of those losses? Close games are largely luck, and 2 years isn't enough time to weed out the variance...he could easily go on a ten win run in close games going forward (not holding my breath, just saying.

Damn, got excited thinking they were going to go ultra analytical, though I do think Whaley is better at finding value players than most (I think Rex's d values safeties more than most, so lack of depth at safety might be due to it being a drastic change in blueprint (Whaley seems to identify players several years before he gets them))...I am curious how the Browns rebuild over the next few years.