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I can't help but laugh at the juxtaposition of the top two posts on this board being this one and "Are Beane and McDermott building a secretly elite offense?"

You make it sound like we've just been running the ball and scoring at will on the ground against anyone and everyone. And that the passing game is what it was bc we simply don't have to do it. There's been multiple times we've had to do it. We had two straight weeks of losses, one against the lowly Falcons where we needed to pass to win and couldn't get the job done. This past week we ran into a .500 Panthers squad with Andy Dalton (with a broken thumb) at QB. We ran all over them and that's great. We didn't need to pass again. We were playing a poor team. Last week, honestly, didn't mean much to me. It goes back to the same overall point. Our passing woes are not a result of simply not needing to pass. If that were the case, New England and Atlanta wouldn't have gone down the way it did. I just don't see how you can look at the talent on the field from the pass catching room, the metrics of guys (not) getting open, and the metrics of (poor) separation, the results when our running game isn't unstoppable, and the simply point to some YPA metrics and think this is a "secretly elite offense". Very good Running offense, sure. But that alone doesn't make an "Elite" offense. Our passing game, more specifically our WR'a, keep it from that.

All great points. Agree with the point made. However , I’m sure like me there are those on here that have watched the bills or football for 30-40 years. The eye test , your gut feeling, your basic football knowledge, intuition, whatever you call it is a real thing and probably just as valid judging a teams play quality by mathematical analysis or other metrics. You know when the Bills look good and have that swag. This year it’s not there , at least yet. Yes we beat the ravens by 1 point , after they just did things to collapse and we did force some lucky turnovers. 9/10 times we lose that game but that night things went our way by ONE POINT after our d gave up 40! We all know giving up 40 usually is a loss. So in my eyes it’s a win , but that’s about all to say about it. Then we beat poor teams like the jets, saints , panthers. We lose at home where you normally are given a 3 point edge , to a qb just starting his second year , a new head coach just beginning to build his roster , and we looked bad on 0 , scoring what 20, after Beane baby chastised a radio host because we lead the league LAST YEAR SCORING 30 a game. Where was 30 that game Beane baby. First real evidence that take cook away and WRs can’t get open. Plus we saw a player Beane had praised be disciplined , fumble in the pats red zone , and drop passes while flailing his arms ! Not the true 50/50 , greatly improved guy we were told about in camp. Beane digging in on his delusion. We proceed to go to Atlanta. Everybody knew we had to stop 2 people , Robinson and the receiver. We gave up an embarrassing 335 yards in the first half and our offense looked terrible as cook was easily shut down. Josh looked confused as did the o line. Terrible game. Since the fins demolished the falcons as did another team and we saw how great the fins were tonight. Two bad losses when many on this lard touted an undefeated season or how it was a given for the 1-seed! You know who you are ! Every football analyst like Orlovsky , the nfl films guy on brownies bills show , even fitzy tonight on prime stayed the bills are not playing as goood as the chiefs or colts and it comes down to 3 things. Like Steve smith said , thus is a wr corp of 3’s and 4’s and Coleman is not that guy now , and is playing lazy snaps and so afraid to be hit he didn’t even look at the db on a slant , just caught the ball with his body and turtled rather than catch w his hands and get yac. They all state this wr corp is not sb quality. They all also point out Josh’s decrease in performance and no ones sure why tho a terrible receiving corp he lacks confidence in may play a role. Even Josh admitted his fundamentals are off. Finally , but not least , all who are honest know this d has been a mess until last game. But do you trust your analysis playing a terrible team with a horrible perfidy by dalton to say thus d is now good? I don’t. Dalton is no Mahomes , and Reid wasn’t coaching Dalton. My point is, trust your eye test and your bills knowledge. Reid is 4-0 against McD in playoffs , while we are 4-1 in regular season games. This is not a typical regular season game. It’s critical in the standings first both. If we lose , kiss the 1 seed which Beane and Mcd stressed so much as the path to the SB all offseason! Pats will prob take the division based on schedule. We lose and KC , colts, ravens , pats are all suddenly looking to be peaking at the right time , November, and we are fighting for a wild card in all likelihood. So far we have beaten only poor teams except for the very lucky win against the ravens, and watching them tonight , if we play them again it’s likely we lose. They are getting more healthy , we aren’t and we are filling our roster with guys we previously let go over a year ago ( and they were also let go by other teams ) , and our starters like benford , Milano, our undersized mlb , Coleman , white are not living up to expectations as we wait to see if Hancock and Hairston can catch up. We even have a ? At kicker now. Palmer is out and Oliver is out , not good for a game we’re already overmatched talent wise ( an opinion by most analysts , and both sides of the ball). So , yes , we have a record of 5-2. BARELY! My eyes tell me this roster is not SB quality , and perhaps Josh can do enough if he plays better , to get us a wildcard birth and outside shot at the division should we lose against KC. I dint have faith in Beane doing anything but protecting his own reputation and pride. While the world calls for a wr addition like olave, I’m betting he does nothing to help Josh w a wr. He will point out Gabriel is on the way! He was terrible in Jax! Not all wins are equal. If so , we have the better record , playing at home ( yet we’re home dogs) so we should beat KC , right? Hey we could get a cowboys like running type win, but spags is no cowboy. What does your gut , your eye test of bills play say to you? Mine says if we get behind at any time by more than 1 possession, it’s over. My eyes also tell me it will lead to more losses with a wr corp that like Steve said , is poor and filled with WRs who scare no other team. Another wasted year of a superstars career that is half over or more. Quality of opposition, quality of wins is predictive of future play. If you dont believe that , then explain how Vegas sets odds and why they are so successful at attaining wealth ? Can the Bills win Sunday ? Yes if they run well and win the turnover battle by 2 imo. My eyes also tell me we beat crap teams so far , KC is getting better and they have a larger margin to make mistakes and win. I think they pound this d , Brady abandons the run , and this wr corp can’t get open to make up any deficit. Bills possibly miss playoffs with a loss, while a win to me means they have embraced being a run team and they make Josh the superstar , a manager as Beane won’t get quality WRs. That’s not great to watch in all honesty but winning is all that matters now. Prior games have meaning and so far this roster looks below par being lead by a true star whose career is flying by. Beane is nice? I see him as arrogant. Happy Halloween!

Cool, can't wait to see the photos of the 3 J's together at last.

The refs will have a big day i’m sure. But I’d like for Hairston to shine. Maybe he can show Coleman how to meet expectations.

I'm completely indifferent to it. It's certainly not an accomplishment that you can use as a flex, because if you do, you know damn well what comments are coming next.

McDermott guaranteed KC's inevitable demise earlier this year. A Bills-Chiefs game in Arrowhead seems unlikely at this point, but rest assured this clip will be played on the jumbotron pre kickoff if they do happen to meet.

Obviously yes A record that has still never been broken despite the bills not winning any of them Winning four straight conference championships in the NFL is unprecedented and very hard to do against people you see more often AKA your conference Obviously in hindsight people would trade that for one super bowl win but it is absolutely something that has ultimate respect... Four straight AFC champions is a very big accomplishment

The Bills being the only team to have ever done it.....is it a point of pride for a Bills fan? Is it an important record even though the Bills lost all 4? The Chiefs have a chance to tie that record if they were to make it again this season. Besides the obvious...if KC makes a 4th in a row, it means the Bills didn't make it this year......but aside from that.....having that record be shared with another team make you mad? Relieved? Indifferent?

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Yup. No Smith and the big guys inside better make the most of it.

I don't think we ever heard from that guy again I really hope the mafia didn't get him

The problem isn't never winning a playoff road game. The problem is Kansas City. Let's not kid ourselves. Since they became a good enough team, in 2020 to win playoff games, they've only had three away games, all losses to Kansas City. And the problem wasn't being away. They lost their home playoff game to Kansas City as well. The problem is Kansas City.

Now they fired the AD

Sure, math says that generally more passing attempts will equal more passing yards. And that mostly holds true for this season for the Bills. But in the two losses where they needed to pass more and/or chose to pass more, were they effective in doing so? The answer in those games was NO. The answer in week one was YES. Where the passing game goes from here remains a compelling question. Hopefully, Cook goes CRAZY on Sunday, and we don't need a definitive answer on the passing game this week. But that seems unrealistic. IMO we need to tap into more dynamic balance, earlier in games. Don't keep running repeatedly until the defense stops it, and instead take advantage through the air when the defense is forced to cheat more heavily to stop the run. Stay a step ahead, dammit. Keep em guessing. Run a FULL offense.

I got dreams of prater erasing Norwood coming out of retirement and kicking the game winner in the super bowl Full circle.. fairy tail ending

I’m not sure we should use sos logic. NE is the only good team we’ve played and well you know. I don’t think their resurgence is imaginary. But I’m with you in that they can, and will, lose more games. Bills will end up winning the division and they’ll be the wildcard.

Boasberg was certainly aware of this statute and deliberately violated it anyway.

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Impose your will. Do what you do best, if you can. No doubt. That would be sweet.

Totally get the disparity in quality of wins and losses. Can be indicative of future performances. Even the Bills wins, minus Panthers and Jets, were competitive, frustrating affairs for much of those games. The Bills have not played terribly well overall to date. (Which is all technically in the past, of course.) But also, statistically, winning early (first quarter of season, for example) and often also has an outsized negative influence on those early opponents' records. And, of course, the Bills could reasonably improve and go on to win games against playoff-bound teams despite those early scraps. This is why the cliche "Week 1 is a liar" exists, because the sample size is small enough to be simply binary: 1 or 0. Can't really tell a meaningful story with that one data point. So this week will add a LOT more to our developing understandings of the 2025 season. And still it's early.

Didn't say it was a formula, just that you can win that way. The 2012 Ravens aren't really a repeatable formula. They were just a well rounded decent team that rode an out of this world playoff run by Flacco to a SB. The comps there are probably the 9-7/10-6 Giants teams that beat Brady. I just think the folks complaining about WR aren't being realistic. It's pretty clear to me that those folks aren't looking for a depth-type piece like Jacobi Meyers or Rasheed Shaheed. They make it sound like our WR room is in shambles, but one of those guys comes in and all of a sudden we're a SB contender? I don't buy it. It's more like they want a top 10 type player like Chase, Nacua, jefferson, St. Brown, etc. That obviously isn't happening. IF we get even one WR they'll be somewhere between 25-50. That's a role player/depth guy. We've got a roster full of those guys already, so I don't think Beane's going to go out of his way to add another one. One thing that MIGHT be possible is they look to upgrade the TE room since they seem like they really want to use them a lot. Maybe they finally go out and try to get Hockenson. I also wouldn't be shocked to see them try to upgrade RB2, since their entire philosophy is basically on Cook's shoulders right now and the dropoff is massive. Maybe Jordan Mason, Nick Chubb, or even Devin Singletary could be options there.

Even more reason I hope it’s Kincaid