Conch Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 maybe if he was as smart as Welker and knew how to run patterns and get open, maybe we could have. I have never understood the comparison to Welker. They are both small. After that there is no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I would tell Fat Van Pelt to spend a few of his 96 hours per week to figure out how to implement this guy into our regular offense! He just wants to play wide receiver. Fine. Get him out there and let him play. His route running sucks? Then tell the WR coach to earn his freakin' money and teach the guy to run them! He has less then perfect hands? Then make the guy spend extra hours on the jugs machine day after day after day! Roscoe Parrish has an asset, it is called speed. What do the Bills pay all those damn coaches for, if they cannot figure out how to coach up a talented football player to be able to contribute to the damn footbll team, after the front office decided to pay him good money? And please, anyone who thinks the Bills should bury Roscoe on the bench because of his "bad attitude", grow up! Brandon Mashall got "punished" (in the preseason, when nothing counted) for his "bad attitude", but his talent demanded the rookie head coach to make sure he was on the football field for the opening regular season game for the Broncos. So the Bills have "punished" Parrish for losing his focus on punt returns by sitting him out a week. Great, he learned his lesson, now get the guy back into the plans and figure out how to use him as a weapon on one of the most pathetic offenses in NFL history!! Brandon Marshall has proven himself to be an elite NFL WIDE RECEIVER. Roscoe Parrish is not and will never be in his league or anywhere close to it. He's lost on the field and doesn't appear to have the gray matter to grasp our pop warner offense. On special teams where he was an asset he has been at best an average player this year. Skeets Nehemiah had speed. How'd that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is Wes Welker even that fast? I think he ran a 4.6 40. He's been so successful in the NFL because of his great route running, vision, agility, and hands. & Toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Somebody will pick him up if he is cut. But, he will lose money. That's what happens when you are an average talent, think you are better than you actually are. His actions off the field are no different than those on the field. He dances around, spins, jukes, and looses either yardage or money. He looked great last year, something is missing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 However, this FO did not draft him. Agree about the contract, though. Looking back, 2005 was not one of the better draft classes. It does amaze how players such as Gore and Jacobs can slide into rounds 3 and 4. Gore was hurt, no? Still, Parrish was our first of several poor selections that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Brandon Mashall got "punished" (in the preseason, when nothing counted) for his "bad attitude", but his talent demanded the rookie head coach to make sure he was on the football field for the opening regular season game for the Broncos. And now we're comparing Parrish to Brandon Marshall??? This just keeps getting better. Hey, I bet he's faster than Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss too! He could lead the league in receiving if not for Jauron and Trent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfaninPortland Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Some here have said that he makes 4 million per year. I do not know this to be true but no GM in his right mind would spend this kind of money on a tiny little gadget player, let alone give up a draft pick to do so. According to Bills Daily Front Office Salary Cap page Roscoe makes 2.45 million with a .55 million bonus this year for a total of 3 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 maybe if he was as smart as Welker and knew how to run patterns and get open, maybe we could have. I have never understood the comparison to Welker. Small, fast guy, with great hands who should theoretically be elusive and difficult to cover.... while I wholey agree that he hasn't lived up to that, the comparisons make perfect sense to me. He should be everything that Welker is, he's one of the fastest guys on the team. While I used to think it was our poor coaching, its looking more that Roscoe is the problem... so much potential unrealized! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Looking back, 2005 was not one of the better draft classes. It does amaze how players such as Gore and Jacobs can slide into rounds 3 and 4. Gore was hurt, no? Still, Parrish was our first of several poor selections that season. 6' 5" Vincent Jackson and his 17 YPC avg was taken six picks later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 According to Bills Daily Front Office Salary Cap page Roscoe makes 2.45 million with a .55 million bonus this year for a total of 3 million. Thanks for this. We would eat the signing bonus so another team would be looking at a pro-rated 2.45 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is that you Al Davis? Ha, what a funny guy. Al Davis can only dream of drafting or trading for a player who can make plays like the one you should take a look at from last year. And remember this is the same player all of you experts have decided is worthless to the "dynamic Buffalo Bills offense." Parrish running back a kick: Yeah this guy is useless, right??? Let's get a 7th round pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 6' 5" Vincent Jackson and his 17 YPC avg was taken six picks later. He's one of my favs in the league Depressing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalOhio Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Ha, what a funny guy. Al Davis can only dream of drafting or trading for a player who can make plays like the one you should take a look at from last year. And remember this is the same player all of you experts have decided is worthless to the "dynamic Buffalo Bills offense." Parrish running back a kick: Yeah this guy is useless, right??? Let's get a 7th round pick for him. You fail to mention the backwards returns and the costly fumbles. It all equals out to NOTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtgolder Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Bottom line--if he COULD play at WR, he would have already been utilized. He's too small, and not as effective as a WR. It happens--he's just not able to make plays at that position, no matter how much he might like to (or like to think he can). No argument that he's a good kick return specialist, but is that a salary the Bills can afford for that specialization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Roscoe should take his money and just be quiet. He is basically stealing $$ at this point. Just think that extra 3 or 4 million could have been used on a better coach, linebacker or even a vetern lineman. As far as a trade they guys value is almost negative due to his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is Wes Welker even that fast? I think he ran a 4.6 40. He's been so successful in the NFL because of his great route running, vision, agility, and hands. Plus - let's not forget - Welker had superlative coaching at the collegiate level (The precision of Mike Leach's receivers' routes are second to none - you will not see anything like it anywhere. The timing and the execution are uncanny.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 maybe if he was as smart as Welker and knew how to run patterns and get open, maybe we could have. I have never understood the comparison to Welker. OMG, people make me sick with this comparison. Welker and Roscoe are both 5'9" while Welker is 15lbs heavier at 185lbs than Roscoe at 170. The speed isnt that much different. Roscoe runs a 4.44 40time and Wes runs a 4.60 40time. But if anyone has seen the 2 play its obvious that Welker is football fast, much stronger, better route runner, better hands, defenately smarter. Anyone else that thinks Roscoe has not been utilized to his fullest potential needs to watch him play when he does get on the field as a WR. He cant get off the LOS, he cant work against bump coverage, gets pushed around on the field by even small corners, if he catches the ball he instantly gets tackled because he is so small. Punts is where he belongs. he's not even that fast top end, hes elusive and thats about it. As bad as they are and even worse as everyone else makes them out to be, the coaching staff has given Roscoe the opportunity to play and he hasnt proved it. What happened last year or 2 years ago when Reed went out and Roscoe was playing 2nd WR. He did nothing. I hope we cut him and he gets picked up by a good team just so he can show everyone that he is just a punt returner and cant hack it at WR even on a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Someone in this thread said punt returners are a dime a dozen, and he is correct. Here's the bottom line about the value of a punt returner and why those clinging to Parrish's stats are misled. Parrish has averaged about 1.8 punt returns per game for his career (even if you back out his rookie year). The rest of the punts are shanks/downed/end zone/fair catches/etc. regardless of who is lined up to return them. Even if he maintains his current career average of 13.1 YPR (highly unlikely as he ages and pouts), that's only 3.8 yards per return better than 2008 NFL average of 9.3 YPR. Thus, the maximum additional benefit from having a $3MM per year malcontent returning your punts is 3.8*1.8 = 6.8 yards of field position per game. So, for one tenth the cost, you could hire a personal "how to keep still until you hear the correct snap count" coach for Bell and get about the same benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Ha, what a funny guy. Al Davis can only dream of drafting or trading for a player who can make plays like the one you should take a look at from last year. And remember this is the same player all of you experts have decided is worthless to the "dynamic Buffalo Bills offense." Parrish running back a kick: Yeah this guy is useless, right??? Let's get a 7th round pick for him. The fact that the Bills could not offload Parrish does speak quite a bit to his "usefulness" . Also, as much as you would like to cite Parrish's returns, how many times a year does he actually do that what you linked in You Tube? Does his 1 return for a TD every year actually make a difference in the scheme of things? Has he done it this year? Maybe you should also link the videos of Parrish having critical fumbles or giving away the Cleveland game. How about that time he gained -20 yards of field position? I'm looking at the current PR stats and it shows Parrish with an awesome 6.1 yd average , which puts him 21st in the NFL among punt returners. Awesome indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 With the recent discovery of the inside slant by AVP, why couldn't Roscoe be a part of the offense at a 4 receiver, 3rd down capacity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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