AF88Bills Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 All Josh Reed does is turn 3rd and longs into first and 10's! You have a problem with that? I like RP but the man is not reliable. If you want to be involved in the O you have to be consistant. That means running a 10 yard route instead of a 4 yard route, or not running an out when it's supposed to be a hook. If you are not consistantly where you're supposed to be you will not get touches. Now as far as the RP vs JJ talk, Id rather have a TD maker back there than a good ST guy who can be replaced by a number of others. He converted some last year....but guess what, the Bills have plenty of room to get better on 3rd down conversion percentage and conistency. So I would argue that is not a strength of his or the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 I agree. As much as I think Josh Reed has developed into a better receiver, he's at most a possesion receiver and his size isn't suitable for that role. Hardy, Johnson, or Jenkins could develop into that and we'd get better matchups and results. The only speedsters we have are Evans and Parrish. Parrish needs to be that wildcard in the no-huddle and do return duties to take the pressure off of our DB's. The problem with Parrish as a receiver is that he does not have a grasp of the offense. If he did he would get a lot more playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF88Bills Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 The problem with Parrish as a receiver is that he does not have a grasp of the offense. If he did he would get a lot more playing time. Where do you get this fact from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 What makes you think putting on another jersey will make Parrish an effective WR? If he is such a dangerous WR, why do the Bills have to be "more creative" and "think outside the box" to make use of him? How about he lines up, runs his pattern, catches the ball and runs more than 3 or 4 yards after the catch? You know, like actual WRs. We would probably get a more fair representation of what Roscoe Parish could do at the #3 spot this season then ever before, inexperienced coaching and QB play along with Sup par play from the #1 and #2 WR position has all combined to work against Rosco Parish in the past. More production from the TE position plus our very lethal #1 and #2 WR combination now could set the table for a huge breakout year by Roscoe Parish in my opinion if allowed some play time at the #3 spot. Playing with TO and Lee, Roscoe Parish would find lots of open space to do his thing. We need Roscoe Parish on our football team, he's the kind of player that helps you win championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 As I said in another thread, if these morons trade Roscoe and his 30 yards of instant field position so that they can keep Justin Jenkins and save a few million bucks, they deserve the failure that will result. As bad as the offense has been the last few years, just imagine how much worse it would've been if Roscoe wasn't setting up great starting field position. And the notion of freeing up money to extend McGee is absurd, we have depth at CB. Your underlying assumption is that the Bills have no other return men on roster. Once again last night Parrish showed why he is a liability as a receiver. 3 catches for only 33 yards and a fumble in the mix. Roscoe is a punt return specialist pure and simple as that. If the bills want to retain him as a luxery player in this role then so be it. My hope is that they can get some value out of him and do trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 What makes you think putting on another jersey will make Parrish an effective WR? If he is such a dangerous WR, why do the Bills have to be "more creative" and "think outside the box" to make use of him? How about he lines up, runs his pattern, catches the ball and runs more than 3 or 4 yards after the catch? You know, like actual WRs. your lost. how about putting the ball in his hands on offense 10 times a game. the fact remains any time he gets the ball he is a thret to go all the way. they will not trade him to save 3 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 What makes you think putting on another jersey will make Parrish an effective WR? If he is such a dangerous WR, why do the Bills have to be "more creative" and "think outside the box" to make use of him? How about he lines up, runs his pattern, catches the ball and runs more than 3 or 4 yards after the catch? You know, like actual WRs. your lost. how about putting the ball in his hands on offense 10 times a game. the fact remains any time he gets the ball he is a thret to go all the way. they will not trade him to save 3 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 The question is not whether to use Roscoe more on offense, or whether he's better than Reed. The question is whether to trade him outright. The article on the front page of TBD suggests that Roscoe is a luxury. Bullcrap. Wendling is a luxury. Justin Jenkins is a luxury. 8 DBs is a luxury. Having a dynamic special teams player who makes the offense's job easier is not a luxury for this team, it's a necessity. While I have nothing against Josh Reed, can anyone here honestly say that what he does is something that can't be done by all the others? We now have TO as a number 2 and Hardy (when he gets healthy) for possession catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 While I have nothing against Josh Reed, can anyone here honestly say that what he does is something that can't be done by all the others? We now have TO as a number 2 and Hardy (when he gets healthy) for possession catches. Yeah. Hardy showed his strengths as a possession receiver last year and what team doesn't use a 6'5" guy in the slot? Learn something about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 While I have nothing against Josh Reed, can anyone here honestly say that what he does is something that can't be done by all the others? We now have TO as a number 2 and Hardy (when he gets healthy) for possession catches. Josh is a great blocker this saved him for several years in the past. Now that he is a seasoned reciever that is actually productive in the pass game as well as a truly excellent blocker, we should keep him. To give up on him now would be to do all the work on developing a guy and have anoither team reap the benefits. Took a long time with Josh, but now he is there, we should take advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 If Parrish is traded the Bills need a DE in return. A 3rd or 4th round pick does nothing to help the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 We would probably get a more fair representation of what Roscoe Parish could do at the #3 spot this season then ever before, inexperienced coaching and QB play along with Sup par play from the #1 and #2 WR position has all combined to work against Rosco Parish in the past. More production from the TE position plus our very lethal #1 and #2 WR combination now could set the table for a huge breakout year by Roscoe Parish in my opinion if allowed some play time at the #3 spot. Playing with TO and Lee, Roscoe Parish would find lots of open space to do his thing. We need Roscoe Parish on our football team, he's the kind of player that helps you win championships. What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Your underlying assumption is that the Bills have no other return men on roster. Once again last night Parrish showed why he is a liability as a receiver. 3 catches for only 33 yards and a fumble in the mix. Roscoe is a punt return specialist pure and simple as that. If the bills want to retain him as a luxery player in this role then so be it. My hope is that they can get some value out of him and do trade him. The Bills have NO ONE on the roster that compares to Rosco's ability as a returner. If you think having a GREAT returner is a luxury then you don't know football any better than you know how to spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 If Parrish is traded the Bills need a DE LT in return. A 3rd or 4th round pick does nothing to help the team Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 The Bills have NO ONE on the roster that compares to Rosco's ability as a returner. If you think having a GREAT returner is a luxury then you don't know football any better than you know how to spell. Guess Rosco is good spelling also ... However to the point ... If you think McKelvin is a second rate return man and somehow would be less dynamic than Roscoe please explain. You also seem to forget that there are ten other guys blocking. Keep in mind he has also proven useless as a kick returner so he has one role to play on the team and that is it. His size is a problem in any other role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chn1623 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 I would like to keep Roscoe for at least punt returns cuz eventually our top 3 wrs will be Evans Johnson hardy and roscoe is more than capable 4th. Reed had many key 3rd downs but we need playmakers Johnson and hardy both had 2 tds a piece as rookies and will only get better reed will never be a scoring threat (1 td in 3 years I think?) and the bills need to score points hence the signing of Owens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Guess Rosco is good spelling also ... However to the point ... If you think McKelvin is a second rate return man and somehow would be less dynamic than Roscoe please explain. You also seem to forget that there are ten other guys blocking. Keep in mind he has also proven useless as a kick returner so he has one role to play on the team and that is it. His size is a problem in any other role. The only problem with McKelvin is are you really going to have your #1/#2 CB returning Kicks and Punts? If you had the choice between having one of your every down defensive players on the field for kick and punt returns, or putting a #3/#4 WR out there for atleast punt returns, I'd rather have the WR out there. Personally, if I had my choice of which WR to try and unload, it would be Reed. He might get the same in return as Roscoe, and hopefully Hardy, or everyones favorite "future HOFer after only 10 catches in his rookie year" Johnson can step up as the #3 and move into the #2 spot next year when Owens is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 The only problem with McKelvin is are you really going to have your #1/#2 CB returning Kicks and Punts? If you had the choice between having one of your every down defensive players on the field for kick and punt returns, or putting a #3/#4 WR out there for atleast punt returns, I'd rather have the WR out there. Personally, if I had my choice of which WR to try and unload, it would be Reed. He might get the same in return as Roscoe, and hopefully Hardy, or everyones favorite "future HOFer after only 10 catches in his rookie year" Johnson can step up as the #3 and move into the #2 spot next year when Owens is gone Good post, I was going to say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Good post, I was going to say the same thing. Do you really believe that Roscoe has any value as a WR in the NFL? Has he ever proven effective at this role? No way is he a #3 and it is a gift to call him a #4. Look at last night - touched the ball three times one resulted in a fumble. More of the same from him - bottom line is that he is too small to play anythin other than a specialized role in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 What makes you think putting on another jersey will make Parrish an effective WR? If he is such a dangerous WR, why do the Bills have to be "more creative" and "think outside the box" to make use of him? How about he lines up, runs his pattern, catches the ball and runs more than 3 or 4 yards after the catch? You know, like actual WRs. How bout we use him like Pats use welker, screens amd picks from the other receivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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