The Dean Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 The best thing about this thread is that, at least so far, PtP hasn't posted since the original post. Good for him! And, Good for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not a big fan of negativity, but PtP's rant was top notch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 "At the Movies" and "The Food Network" before a Bills game? WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 How do you define poorly coached? Is Jauron a tactical master? Probably not. Does he get a lot out of the sad bunch he gets? absolutely. He shouldn't have final say in personnel or anything close to it, but thats a front office problem. Since NFL coaches call the plays and packages on every down, it hardly seems a great stretch to connect the dots and see that to be a consistent winner a team needs coaches that are better than almost tactically competent. It's just one of the many facets of modern coaching. It's more than being able to recall data like "951 catches and 139 touchdowns is a lot of production." Pinning the faults of Jauron coached teams on lack of talent is just too simplistic. It is true that he has never coached a team that has Hall-of-Fame caliber players 5 or 6 deep at every position. No coach does. But the converse is not true either: his rosters do have some talent. In fact, we've all seen quick turnarounds in the NFL where a new staff can come in, shake things up a little, and a team can suddenly go from worst to first. We saw this in Miami last year, and let's not pretend that they went from having "no talent" to having "great talent" with a snap of Parcells' magical fingers. Really, quick turnarounds cannot be explained by a formula that has player talent as the only variable and dismisses coaching as an entirely level playing field. Indeed, Lovie Smith was able to take a roster that consisted in majority of the same players Jauron had to the Super Bowl. No, the multifaceted job of coaching is critical to success in the NFL, it has become increasingly important from the old days as the game has evolved and with increased player movement, and it is certainly not a level playing field. Indeed, with free agency and the salary cap, the talent distribution across the NFL isn't totally out of whack like in other sports. Every team has holes and good players: the good teams just get more out of their good players and hide their weaknesses better. Once again, I don't think Jauron is the worst coach of all-time; he seems like a great person. But, he has proven his deficiencies over time and he stands among some of the losingest coaches in NFL history for his comparable longevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Since NFL coaches call the plays and packages on every down, it hardly seems a great stretch to connect the dots and see that to be a consistent winner a team needs coaches that are better than almost tactically competent. It's just one of the many facets of modern coaching. It's more than being able to recall data like "951 catches and 139 touchdowns is a lot of production." Pinning the faults of Jauron coached teams on lack of talent is just too simplistic. It is true that he has never coached a team that has Hall-of-Fame caliber players 5 or 6 deep at every position. No coach does. But the converse is not true either: his rosters do have some talent. In fact, we've all seen quick turnarounds in the NFL where a new staff can come in, shake things up a little, and a team can suddenly go from worst to first. We saw this in Miami last year, and let's not pretend that they went from having "no talent" to having "great talent" with a snap of Parcells' magical fingers. Really, quick turnarounds cannot be explained by a formula that has player talent as the only variable and dismisses coaching as an entirely level playing field. Indeed, Lovie Smith was able to take a roster that consisted in majority of the same players Jauron had to the Super Bowl. No, the multifaceted job of coaching is critical to success in the NFL, it has become increasingly important from the old days as the game has evolved and with increased player movement, and it is certainly not a level playing field. Indeed, with free agency and the salary cap, the talent distribution across the NFL isn't totally out of whack like in other sports. Every team has holes and good players: the good teams just get more out of their good players and hide their weaknesses better. Once again, I don't think Jauron is the worst coach of all-time; he seems like a great person. But, he has proven his deficiencies over time and he stands among some of the losingest coaches in NFL history for his comparable longevity. Aside from Schobel and Stroud, both lines have been devoid of talent. The don't start building in the secondary. Personally, I don't care who the coach is, we should fix the problems. By the way, the fact that we let Ruben Brown and Jason Peters go fits the axiom of if you listen to the fans, you will end up sitting with them. Shiny new QB next year!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 And lets be honest I will wager a case of what ever you drink that your cry baby ass will be on the edge of that sofa come 9/14. "where would you rather be?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 The best thing about this thread is that, at least so far, PtP hasn't posted since the original post. Good for him! And, Good for us! He can't come back, the exit was too good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 He can't come back, the exit was too good I watched you suffer a dull aching pain Now you've decided to show me the same But no sweet, vain exits or offstage lines Could make me feel bitter or treat you unkind Wild horses couldn't drag me away Wild, wild horses, couldn't drag me away Hold your breath until I go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I watched you suffer a dull aching painNow you've decided to show me the same But no sweet, vain exits or offstage lines Could make me feel bitter or treat you unkind Wild horses couldn't drag me away Wild, wild horses, couldn't drag me away Hold your breath until I go away. I always like this version: If your new persona is the one that sticks, I see no reason for you to go. If the go back to the one you started with, I think you will likely be banned before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwing Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 k bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I always like this version: If your new persona is the one that sticks, I see no reason for you to go. If the go back to the one you started with, I think you will likely be banned before long. Excellent Garcia. Thanks. Have you heard the Graham Parsons/Flying Burritos version? Something else again, but not on YouTube. I haven't changed since my day one. If this Kindergarten bans me, it merely reflects their lack of heuvos, and your little bunch's "feminine-like" ability to persistently whine. I will not break the TOS, so get creative. I've been around the block in the Big League for many years. I just like to catalyze the exchange of ideas, and watch them flow. Ave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Excellent Garcia. Thanks. Have you heard the Graham Parsons/Flying Burritos version? Something else again, but not on YouTube. Yes, it is outstanding. As for the rest, as long as you converse intelligently (you obviously have the ability) things should be fine. Nobody is ever banned for their opinion. In fact, you don't even have to converse intelligently. If so, most of the posters would be long gone. But it helps to be fairly civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I just like to catalyze the exchange of ideas, and watch them flow. Sounds like something a certain canine friend we've all been missing around here lately used to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Sports Sports Sports.... Is your whole life sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Aside from Schobel and Stroud, both lines have been devoid of talent. The don't start building in the secondary. Personally, I don't care who the coach is, we should fix the problems. By the way, the fact that we let Ruben Brown and Jason Peters go fits the axiom of if you listen to the fans, you will end up sitting with them. Shiny new QB next year!! That I agree with entirely. The Bills in their glory years were a couple of run-defenders up front away from winning a Super Bowl. Not a hard sell on me, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Apostle of Homer Simpson are you? I have to disagree with the position - so what you are saying is you would be OK as a Bill's fan if they went 2-14? Just being is good enough? You are Russ Brandon's wet dream! You don't want better? Playoff's don't matter to you? Are you one of these poeple that is just happy to have a job? Don't care what you look like? Just throwing some clothes on is good enough is it? Again, no umbrage, I just think expectations are necessary for self and one's sporting teams....otherwise, your just a Homer.... He actually works for Brandon and is just keeping the masses moving in the right direction. no expectations but lots of season ticket sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schobel94 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Excellent Garcia. Thanks. Have you heard the Graham Parsons/Flying Burritos version? Something else again, but not on YouTube. I haven't changed since my day one. If this Kindergarten bans me, it merely reflects their lack of heuvos, and your little bunch's "feminine-like" ability to persistently whine. I will not break the TOS, so get creative. I've been around the block in the Big League for many years. I just like to catalyze the exchange of ideas, and watch them flow. Ave can you please just shut the hell up. nobody cares about your poems or your romeo and juliet reverences because it has nothing to do with anything and makes you seem like a flaming homosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 can you please just shut the hell up. nobody cares about your poems or your romeo and juliet reverences because it has nothing to do with anything and makes you seem like a flaming homosexual. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 <_< Well, there is the clear and ever present danger of being too literate on a football board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 can you please just shut the hell up. nobody cares about your poems or your romeo and juliet reverences because it has nothing to do with anything and makes you seem like a flaming homosexual. You doth protest too much, methinks. Try wiping the goo off your lips first before you go off flapping them. For your sorely needed edification, "the poem" is part of the lyrics to a classic Rolling Stones song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I didn't take offense at SKOOBY's postings. I suppose some were flaky, but this the internet and flaky things are pretty much the norm. Yes, he was a bit rambunctious, but I can't recall the fellow ever sticking a snotty knife into anyone. Not like you and I have been known to do. "Here and there - now and then - to this one and that one." Find the source of that quote. I was just wondering what was so bad about SKOOBY myself. I rather liked most of his posts, and when I didn't, I certainly enjoyed ridiculing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoring is not hardy Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I was just wondering what was so bad about SKOOBY myself. I rather liked most of his posts, and when I didn't, I certainly enjoyed ridiculing him. Yeah he's not too bad. Also, what ever happened that Heart Throb guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornerville Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I was just wondering what was so bad about SKOOBY myself. I rather liked most of his posts, and when I didn't, I certainly enjoyed ridiculing him. SKOOBY yearns for attention and that is what he gets, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Yeah he's not too bad. Also, what ever happened that Heart Throb guy? After tonight's episode, I'd assume "he gone"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 After tonight's episode, I'd assume "he gone"...... Yeah what was that all about??? What a miserrable guy. Where is Skooby he is done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dean - I reviewed some of the content of this post earlier and I note there are several members of this site that seem to lock horns with you frequently - is it that you do not like their opinions or simply enjoy a good joust every once in a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 PTP - If they still have allowed you access - you live truly live the mantra - It is better to live your life one day as a lion, than your whole life like a sheep! Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I always like this version: If your new persona is the one that sticks, I see no reason for you to go. If the go back to the one you started with, I think you will likely be banned before long. Once a Billdo, always a Billdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Once a Billdo, always a Billdo. Oh, I don't know, Senator. I can see how someone who compares those he doesn't like around here with Nazis, like he did yesterday, could be the greatest guy in the world, today. All it takes is a good literary IQ, tag lines from good movies, a funny avatar, and some references to various renditions of Stones tunes and, Voila! A changed member of TSW. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 PTP - If they still have allowed you access - you live truly live the mantra - It is better to live your life one day as a lion, than your whole life like a sheep! Fantastic. Completelyy agree. 7 or 8 weeks from now we might all be banned once the real venting starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Completelyy agree. 7 or 8 weeks from now we might all be banned once the real venting starts. He wasn't banned. He announced he was leaving on his own accord. He made some great points in his parting post but he puss*ed out when he asked the mods to shut him down. He should have cancelled his membership himself. Are you suggesting you may be leaving after 7 or 8 weeks? Why wait if you're so sure of the outcome? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I watched the yanks sweep the sox on Sunday night rather than the Bills. Does that make me a bad fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Some of you geezers badly need to take snarkiness lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Some of you geezers badly need to take snarkiness lessons. Some of you hyporcrites badly need to take intregrity lessons. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I am as pessimistic as most around here about this year but whoa, it really was just a preseason game. It sounds to me like being a fan is putting way too much stress on you so it might not be such a bad idea to find a new hobby. Cya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schobel94 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 You doth protest too much, methinks. Try wiping the goo off your lips first before you go off flapping them. For your sorely needed edification, "the poem" is part of the lyrics to a classic Rolling Stones song. thankyou for proving my point as to how much of a$$ you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Some of you geezers badly need to take snarkiness lessons. Oh, there are several members who are EXTREMELY snarky. But snarky is witty and intelligent. Anyone can be a douchebag. Let's not confuse the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dean - I reviewed some of the content of this post earlier and I note there are several members of this site that seem to lock horns with you frequently - is it that you do not like their opinions or simply enjoy a good joust every once in a while? Other members of The Wall have described me as a "Retard Wrangler". I try to refrain, but when someone comes bring a whole lot of stupid, and is absolutely sure their stupidity is fact, I tend to react. I get particularly irritable when a poster doesn't acknowledge any good point another poster makes, resorts to name calling early in the exchange (yes, I am guilty of that as well), and insists their opinion is FACT. I'm in recovery (from calling out stupid posters), but I occasionally fall off the wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Oh, there are several members who are EXTREMELY snarky. But snarky is witty and intelligent. Anyone can be a douchebag. Let's not confuse the two. No, everyone here is filled with peace and love in their hearts. United by a love of the Bills. It's family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 The eternal battle between the empiricist, theorist, dreamer. There will never be a consensus among these groups...just a trade of insults. I'll put my money on David Hume every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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