nucci Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 sounds okay..vick 37 games and Lynch is on his second infraction and is getting the appropriate punishment. as stated before, the suspension was not for 37 games. He was in jail. Even if he was not suspended, he would have missed the same amount of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 sounds okay..vick 37 games and Lynch is on his second infraction and is getting the appropriate punishment. Actually Lynch isn't getting the appropriate punishment. A moving violation and a first-time gun offense are hardly worth 3 games, or even 1, since it's not a repeat offense and no one was even close to being injured by the gun. As for the NFL "suspending" Vick while he was incarcerated, that's a joke. It's like the Giants "suspending" Burress for the last 4 games of last season, while he was injured from his self-inflicted gunshot. And on the way to work I was listening to ESPN radio and during SportsCenter the Duke mentioned that the suspension was expected to be for 4 games. So either it is, or no one told them over on the radio side of things. But with the firestorm created by this, I don't doubt Goodell will change his mind and make it longer. But hey, I'm a conspiracy theory nutjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...pension-report/ Maybe the NFL leaked the four games as a trial balloon, to get a feel for the blowback. I think a lot of people are a little upset by the "time served" approach to his suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 He's been officially suspended by the league for 32 games already.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2990157 They should rescind that suspension! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I don't know how many different ways people can say he was serving his suspension concurrently with his prison term until some get it. The four extra games is fine. He has paid his debt to society, whether people feel the sentence was just or not. Now, it is up to some NFL team to be willing to take the risk on him. Personally, he is best suited for the UFL. Let that league go through putting up with the protests from PETA. It would probably be good for the UFL to gain some notoriety, no matter if it's good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I don't know how many different ways people can say he was serving his suspension concurrently with his prison term until some get it. The four extra games is fine. He has paid his debt to society, whether people feel the sentence was just or not. Now, it is up to some NFL team to be willing to take the risk on him. Personally, he is best suited for the UFL. Let that league go through putting up with the protests from PETA. It would probably be good for the UFL to gain some notoriety, no matter if it's good or bad. I don't know how many different ways people can point out that a suspension given to someone already incarcerated, is meaningless. If they didn't suspend him for the last two years, what would be the difference? He has yet to show he can operate within the law, as a free man. The UFL may not be a bad idea for Mike. Get back into football shape, show the NFL he is a changed man...all that. I certainly wouldn't employ a soulless/heartless sub-human...but, hey that's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Curt Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I think a lot you of you guys are just friggen stupid. Yes I said it, stupid. I'm not questioning your academic minds, for many of you are a lot smarter than me book wise, but common sense wise and being open minded, I don't know about some of you. The facts are Vick was already suspended indefinitely when the allegations started to become facts. This is the 2nd suspension Goodell has given him. Vick will be suspended twice for the same thing. So Vick has not received a NFL pay check in over 2 yrs because the indefinite suspension has lasted until now. I think Goodell is doing this to please the rabid fans like yourselves who want more blood to shed. Vick has already been destroyed, punished and embarrassed beyond belief. (Although it is well deserved) Just kick a man while when is down, what else do you people want to do to this man? Let him and the rest of the world move on. I think he has learned his lesson, don’t you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 He and Lynch get the same league punishment? That's just bull sh--. That's how f-ed up this whole thing is. You get a guy who has a gun in his trunk, receives probation from the court system, and gets suspended 3 games. Then you have another guy who gets convicted of not only prepetuating a dog-fighting ring, but doing it between state lines (making it a federal and state matter), goes to jail for almost a year, and then gets suspended for 4 games!? Come on. I hope whatever team is dumb enough to sign him fails miserably this year and has to deal with massive distracting protests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I think a lot you of you guys are just friggen stupid. Yes I said it, stupid. I'm not questioning your academic minds, for many of you are a lot smarter than me book wise Thanks for that concession. It means so much coming from someone like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32112609/ns/sports-nfl/ The headline of the unsubstantiated, un-confirmed story says "Vick to Get 4 Game Suspension and able to atttend training camp." I love the media today. Why wait until the commissioner himself tells us that was the result, when you can report information that may or may not be true right away? If this crap is true, then Commissioner Goodell is an idiot. Here he had the perfect opportunity to make a stand against the criminal fringe seaping its' way into the billion dollar NFL. "Sorry folks, Michael served time in prison and is a convicted felon, the NFL has no place for him any longer." I love the media. Back when they were piling on Vick like starved scavangers, he was a monster. He was a parriah. He was total scum. How horrific was his sick repulsive dog fighting ring that he was absolutely running from a distance. Now all of a sudden, just because his jail sentence is over, he is completely "rehabilitated." "He has served his time - he has paid his debt to society, and deserves to play in the NFL again." Why? So they can have his story to report 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Back here in the real world, we all know Vick could still care less about dogs. We all know he will never own a dog himself, or ever do anything for animal rights or the SPCA if it is not ordered by his PR staff - his well paid PR staff. And please stop talking about him "losing his fortune." If he was penniless, where did the money come from to pick him up in a black 2009 luxury SUV, complete with a possee of $500.00 suit wearing "assistants," who drove him into a gorgeous home with a pool in a very upscale looking neighborhood? How does that make any sense? How is he flying around the country for these secret meetings with the Players Union and Goodell if he has "lost his fortune."??? Look at it this way, if he spent $130 Million of his $145 Million dollars to pay for this ordeal, that still leaves him with $15 Million to scrape by. Oh wait, he has filed for bankruptcy, I forgot about that one. OK, well even when you file for bankruptcy, you are allowed to keep one residence. If that one residence happens to be a million dollar home - you still get to live in it, as long as you can make the tax payments, because it was most likely paid for in cash when you bought it. And even if he really doesn't even have a penny to spend anymore, I'm sure there are plenty of PR companies and agents and marketing scum with no morals who are financing him right this very minute into a lifestyle most of us out here will never live, while they wait for Vick to get back into the NFL, or the UFL, or the speaking circuit, or his movie to be made, or his book to be written. So again I come back to this: Goodell could draw the line at serviing time in prison for lifetime suspensions. This was his chance to force other criminal fringe type athletes to make better choices based on fear of losing their rights to re-enter the NFL. If this 4 game suspension rumor is true, then Goodell will only have himself to blame when the day comes when a rapists or murderers who serves reduced plea-bargained sentences demands to play again based on the "Vick decision.", after they "paid their debts to society." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Curt Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Thanks for that concession. It means so much coming from someone like you. Someone like me? You don't know me from a can of paint, but I’m educated enough to recognize that I'm not a genius and I’m man enough to admit it. I have common sense as well, which ultimately takes you further in life. I guess you’re one of the Friggin stupid individuals I'm talking about. My statements would only bother you if you are one of these individuals. Do me a favor and take the sand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Seriously, Vick has paid a heavy price for the cumilation of his choices in life. He served time in prison and lost pretty much everything. If that isn't enough for you all who want to stand on the outside and cast stones who really cares? People are so judgemental and quick to pound the gavel, but slow to look in the mirror. Let's not forget that Marshawn was likely about 1' from being in the same boat as Donte Stallworth last year, but he deserves every chance and excuse in the world because he plays for the Bills. I think Vick should be allowed to play as soon as he's signed without any furthur suspension, but on a probationary status. One more screw up though and ban him from the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Why not 8 games? Or a year? I'm not saying lifetime ban, like Stallworth got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Sometimes it's really easy to locate the people with no pets. I have no pets, and I agree with him. People seem to want Goodell to hold Vick to a higher standard than the U.S. Criminal Justice system, which I cannot agree with. He surved 18 months in prison, lost out on 2 seasons during the prime of his career, lost tons of money, filed for bankruptcy, and completely lost any credibility in the court of public opinion. He was also suspended indefinitely by the Commish when the entire fiasco began, so it's not as though he's getting off easy. Also, it's important to note that ESPN rescinded the story (which Lori already pointed out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I don't know how many different ways people can point out that a suspension given to someone already incarcerated, is meaningless. If they didn't suspend him for the last two years, what would be the difference? He has yet to show he can operate within the law, as a free man. The UFL may not be a bad idea for Mike. Get back into football shape, show the NFL he is a changed man...all that. I certainly wouldn't employ a soulless/heartless sub-human...but, hey that's me. The guy needs a chance. None of us know what went on in the meeting with Goodell. I hope Goodell hammered Vick about the point that he lied repeatedly to the commish before he went to jail. All I know is he should get the chance to move on. Athletes become bigger than life and you never know what experiences will humble them. Hopefully this did for Vick. Ray Lewis seems to have turned his life around, and you probably would have deemed him as heartless and sub-human considering the incident in Atlanta. He wasn't convicted of anything, but he has pretty much been a role model since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Why not 8 games? Or a year? I'm not saying lifetime ban, like Stallworth got. Stallworth did not get a lifetime ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Stallworth did not get a lifetime ban. My mistake. He got an indefinite suspension. And John Clayton is also reporting that 4 games seems to be the length of the suspension. So there's a whole lot of non-retraction retracting going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 My mistake. He got an indefinite suspension. And John Clayton is also reporting that 4 games seems to be the length of the suspension. So there's a whole lot of non-retraction retracting going on here. Actually, Vick also already has received an indefinite suspension, which Goodell said he might consider lifting based on Vick's conduct, or which could result in a lifetime suspension since gambling was involved... "In August of 2007, Hours after Vick plead guilty to federal charges in the Bad Newz Kennels dog fighting investigation under a plea agreement which outlined gruesome details regarding treatment of the dogs, the NFL suspended him indefinitely without pay. In a letter to Vick, Commissioner Roger Goodell said that Vick had admitted to conduct that was "not only illegal, but also cruel and reprehensible." While Vick is technically a first-time offender under the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy, Goodell handed down a harsher suspension because Vick admitted that he provided most of the money for the gambling side of the operation. The NFL does not allow its players to be involved in any form of gambling, and even first-time offenders risk being banned for life. However, Goodell did leave open the possibility of reinstating Vick depending on how well he cooperated with federal and state authorities." link So I'm not sure what any of these blokes/ersatz 'reporters' are talking about - Vick is already suspended "indefinitely". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Actually, Vick also already has received an indefinite suspension, which Goodell said he might consider lifting based on Vick's conduct, or which could result in a lifetime suspension since gambling was involved... "In August of 2007, Hours after Vick plead guilty to federal charges in the Bad Newz Kennels dog fighting investigation under a plea agreement which outlined gruesome details regarding treatment of the dogs, the NFL suspended him indefinitely without pay. In a letter to Vick, Commissioner Roger Goodell said that Vick had admitted to conduct that was "not only illegal, but also cruel and reprehensible." While Vick is technically a first-time offender under the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy, Goodell handed down a harsher suspension because Vick admitted that he provided most of the money for the gambling side of the operation. The NFL does not allow its players to be involved in any form of gambling, and even first-time offenders risk being banned for life. However, Goodell did leave open the possibility of reinstating Vick depending on how well he cooperated with federal and state authorities." link So I'm not sure what any of these blokes/ersatz 'reporters' are talking about - Vick is already suspended "indefinitely". No surprise. I mentioned it and linked it twice in this thread already and you didn't bother to read or notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Good take here, by WaPo's Mark Maske: Goodell Can't Please Everyone in Vick Case I agree. No matter how he decides this, there will be people unhappy with the outcome. Add: The latest from Mort -- http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4353468 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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