Justice Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Elite, Great, Good, Average, Mediocre, and Garbage are the options, in that order, from good to bad. OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average. RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Great WR. Reed=Mediocre TE.Schuman=Mediocre LT.Walker=Average LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=Good RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=Average DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Average LE.Kelsay=Garbage OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Mediocre SS.Whitner=Average Coaching Staff=Mediocre Front Office=Mediocre Elite=0 Great=1 Good=7 Average=8 Mediocre=5 Garbage=3 ?=2. Can't really grade rookies. Out of 26 positions, we only have 1 great player and the rest are either good or worse than good. This team needs to have more elite players if they are gonna contend for the playoffs, let alone a Super Bowl. The younger guys, such as Edwards, Lynch, Evans, McKelvin and even Whitner, can still become great or elite players depending upon coaching, and surrounding talent, because they have the athletic skill set and/or smarts to up their game. I don't put Poz in that group because he just lacks the physical talent, IMO, to become great. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 I think you missed Special Teams. Also, I don't think much of your grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destro32 Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 OUR COACHING STAFF IS STRAIGHT GARBAGE!!!! just 1 adjustment................ please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Owens could be Elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Elite, Great, Good, Average, Mediocre, and Garbage are the options, in that order, from good to bad. OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average. RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Great WR. Reed=Mediocre TE.Schuman=Mediocre LT.Walker=Average LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=Good RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=Average DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Average LE.Kelsay=Garbage OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Mediocre SS.Whitner=Average Coaching Staff=Mediocre Front Office=Mediocre Elite=0 Great=1 Good=7 Average=8 Mediocre=5 Garbage=3 ?=2. Can't really grade rookies. Out of 26 positions, we only have 1 great player and the rest are either good or worse than good. This team needs to have more elite players if they are gonna contend for the playoffs, let alone a Super Bowl. The younger guys, such as Edwards, Lynch, Evans, McKelvin and even Whitner, can still become great or elite players depending upon coaching, and surrounding talent, because they have the athletic skill set and/or smarts to up their game. I don't put Poz in that group because he just lacks the physical talent, IMO, to become great. What do you think? i'd bump Kelsay up to mediocre and schobel down to average(and im being kind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousetrap08 Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Elite, Great, Good, Average, Mediocre, and Garbage are the options, in that order, from good to bad. OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average. RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Great WR. Reed=Mediocre TE.Schuman=Mediocre LT.Walker=Average LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=Good RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=Average DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Average LE.Kelsay=Garbage OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Mediocre SS.Whitner=Average Coaching Staff=Mediocre Front Office=Mediocre Elite=0 Great=1 Good=7 Average=8 Mediocre=5 Garbage=3 ?=2. Can't really grade rookies. Out of 26 positions, we only have 1 great player and the rest are either good or worse than good. This team needs to have more elite players if they are gonna contend for the playoffs, let alone a Super Bowl. The younger guys, such as Edwards, Lynch, Evans, McKelvin and even Whitner, can still become great or elite players depending upon coaching, and surrounding talent, because they have the athletic skill set and/or smarts to up their game. I don't put Poz in that group because he just lacks the physical talent, IMO, to become great. What do you think? And that is why 3 straight 7-9 seasons and no playoffs for 9 years this team reeks of mediocre ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 RW Power system - Garbage Blacked out bathroom - Garbage Garbage bins on the way in - Garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Elite, Great, Good, Average, Mediocre, and Garbage are the options, in that order, from good to bad. OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average. (Good) RB.Lynch=Good FB.McIntyre=Garbage WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Great (Elite) WR. Reed=Mediocre (Good) TE.Schuman=Mediocre (Fine) LT.Walker=Average LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=Good (Average) RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=Average (Good) DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good (Great) DT.Williams=Average LE.Kelsay=Garbage OLB.Elison=Garbage MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=Average (Good) CB.McGee=Good (Great) CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Mediocre (Scott - Good) SS.Whitner=Average I put my changes in above. I'll get ripped for putting McGee at great, but IMO when he's healthy, he's definitely a top 15 corner in this league, and perhaps 10. What he means to this team as our #1 corner and on special teams is a lot more than most corners mean to their squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I'm not saying we couldn't use more talent, but I definitely think you underrate some of our players as well as the FO and coaching staff. Josh Reed is better than mediocre as a slot receiver, I think Fine and Nelson will be the TEs over Schouman (or Fine and Schouman if Nelson doesn't come on), Ellison and Kelsey may not be full time starter material, but there is no way they are garbage, and Simpson won't be the starting FS, it'll be either Byrd or Whitner. Plus, so many of our guys are young with a lot of potential...Lynch is still getting better, Evans production should increase significantly, TE should get better, Poz should get better, the rookies will get better. There is a lot of unproven talent on this roster that give this team a lot of upside. I think your ratings will be significantly better by the end of next season. Here is my take: OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average (but I think he'll move up to good this year) RB.Lynch=Good (but Lynch, Jackson, Rhodes as a group could be great) FB.McIntyre=Mediocre WR.Evans=Good (with possibility of moving up to great with T.O opposite him) WR.Owens=Great (Has been elite, but is he still? I'll leave him at great) WR. Reed=Average to good (he may be mediocre as a 2nd WR, but in the slot he'll be pretty good) TE.Fine, Nelson (not Schouman)=Mediocre (I think it'll move up to at least average, but they still have to prove themselves) LT.Walker=Average (I'll leave him there until we see what he can do on the left side) LG.Levitre=? (w/ lots of upside) C.Hangartner=Good RG.Woods=? (w/ lots of upside) RT.Butler=Average DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Average LE.Kelsay=Average (sure Kelsey isn't great, but he ain't garbage either) OLB.Elison=Mediocre to average MLB.Posluszny=Average (with upside) OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good already (with upside) CB.Florence/Youbouty/Corner=I think the best of this group will turn out to be good FS.Byrd/Whitner=This should at least be average SS.Whitner/Scott=Average to good Coaching Staff=Average to good (Sure they aren't Bellicheat-elite, but how many coaching staffs in the league would you consider garbage? one or two maybe...so mediocre would put Jauron et al as bottom 5 coaching staffs in the league? I think they have a lot to prove, but Jauron has to at least be middle of the pack don't you think? Especially if the whole point of your post is that they don't have enough talent to work with) Front Office=Average to good (Counting since Brandon took over: Two good drafts, Stroud and T.O. in FA/trade, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWVABillsFan Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 RW Power system - Garbage Blacked out bathroom - Garbage Garbage bins on the way in - Garbage Ok. Because I am perhaps a lamen in ways, some please tell me where Skoob is going with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Like Bakay always says, "Things are so much simpler when you break them down scientifically." Great work here. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 I think you missed Special Teams. Also, I don't think much of your grading. Special teams= elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripnRip Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I have a tough time distinguishing between average and mediocre in my head, so I just used average and below-average OFFENSE QB.Edwards=Average(being generous) RB.Lynch=Great(Would be elite if he played for the right team) FB.McIntyre=Garbage(Irrelevant probably the better term) WR.Evans=Good WR.Owens=Great WR. Reed=Average TE.Schuman=Garbage LT.Walker=Average LG.Levitre=? C.Hangartner=Average RG.Woods=? RT.Butler=Average DEFENSE RE. Schobel=Good DT.Stroud=Good DT.Williams=Average (Teetering on below-average, had a solid start last year but got manhandled the rest of the season) LE.Kelsay=Below Average OLB.Elison=Below Average MLB.Posluszny=Average OLB.Mitchell=Average CB.McGee=Good CB.McKelvin=Good CB.Florence=Average FS.Simpson=Average SS.Whitner=Good Coaching Staff=Below Average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Don't average and mediocre pretty much mean the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Most teams would look similar to the Bills if you broke them down that way. How many elite players does the Steelers have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Most teams would look similar to the Bills if you broke them down that way. How many elite players does the Steelers have? Ha ha ha!!! Try Big Ben, Harrison and Polamalu. That's three more than we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Ha ha ha!!! Try Big Ben, Harrison and Polamalu. That's three more than we have. Polamalu, I'll give you. But Big Ben is good but he is hardly elite. Harrison had one good season in a system that makes any starting OLB successful. Still, the point is that SB champion only has 1 or maybe 2 elite players. It is a very even league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyDingo Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 New grading system: 5-Works real hard, he really does 4-Looked great in practice on Friday 3-Lot of upside 2-High Motor 1-Key to the city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripnRip Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Most teams would look similar to the Bills if you broke them down that way. How many elite players does the Steelers have? Most teams don't win super bowls either. However the ones that do... Steelers: Polamalu, Harrison have to both be considered elite. Patriots: Brady, Moss, Belicheat = definition of elite. 3 more than us Giants: Umenyiora may have been their only elite player in 07 but, Plax, Tuck, Pierce, Shockley, Strahan are all in the vicinity of and would be/would've been upgrades to us. Not that I disagree with your point, I just feel there is a definite talent gap between these perennial SB contenders and the Bills, the most glaring off which being coaching staffs. Would trade our entire staff for any of those three's any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Poster = Garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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