false optimism

[afcfan1]

Actually, they said he could play in either scheme. Pay attention. They thought that at the weight he played at PSU he might be better as a Rush LB, but that at his current weight of 250, if he could maintain his speed, he could be very successful as a DE.

 

As for Nelson, the fact that he fell means those teams didn't have a need for a TE at their pick. That doesn't mean he wasn't the steal of the draft. I guess all those coaches and GMs were wrong about Brady too huh? Terrell Davis? Just because you were picked later in the draft doesn't mean you weren't talented enough to have been drafted higher or that the measureables weren't there. It means teams didn't have a need at that position to fill at that time. He was considered the third best TE prospect in the draft by almost every analyst, and the second best in terms of being an overall TE. That is he is a great receiver and has solid skill blocking but needs some work in that area. You are literally the only person I have seen who has not thought he was a steal in the fourth round. That means that you are either smarter than every draftnik at ESPN and NFL Network, or you know absolutely nothing about football, particularly the TE position. Based on your posts on this board, I'm going with the latter.

 

He was the 6th TE taken, so some teams obviously had a need. At this point to say a TE, out of Southern Miss, that can't block and was taken in the 4th round after 5 other TEs was the "steal of the draft" is moronic.

[The Senator]

He was the 6th TE taken, so some teams obviously had a need. At this point to say a TE, out of Southern Miss, that can't block and was taken in the 4th round after 5 other TEs was the "steal of the draft" is moronic.

You back again? Thought you left hours ago. Must be done jerkin' off to your Tom Brady poster, eh?

[Sisyphean Bills]

Well, on the bright side, Maybin might be coming into his own by the time the next coaching staff starts to get their program rolling; and, they finally drafted some lineman.

[atlbillsfan1975]

He was the 6th TE taken, so some teams obviously had a need. At this point to say a TE, out of Southern Miss, that can't block and was taken in the 4th round after 5 other TEs was the "steal of the draft" is moronic.

So Souther Miss is not a good football school? Hmm Brett Farve may want to argue that point with you. As well as countless others. Seriously, i dont know why i waste my time with you afc.

[afcfan1]

So Souther Miss is not a good football school? Hmm Brett Farve may want to argue that point with you. As well as countless others. Seriously, i dont know why i waste my time with you afc.

 

 

Didn't say that. Just stating facts. So you're also saying he's the "steal of the draft" huh?

[ax4782]

So Souther Miss is not a good football school? Hmm Brett Farve may want to argue that point with you. As well as countless others. Seriously, i dont know why i waste my time with you afc.

 

Agreed. The fact that he says the kid can't block is moronic. AFC needs to watch some film and get educated about football before he talks. Some of those other TEs were considered blocking specific TEs, meaning they aren't going to have a significant impact in the passing game except as a rare outlet receiver. Nelson is a pass catcher, who was a former WR, but who has improved his blocking immensely. He can stretch the middle of the field and do alot of things when the football is thrown in his direction. Seriously. afcfan1 needs to go back to a message board that actually thinks his opinion is worthwhile.

[deep2evans]

Goddamn, there's nothing worse than arguing with morons that bring NO CREDIBLE KNOWLEDGE to the table.

[Hanoverbills]

You all continue to use partial bits of info to make your argument. Ys Mayock, Kiper and McShay thought he was a good pass rusher, but they all thought he was best suited for OLB in a 3-4, not 4-3 DE due to his lack of bulk.

 

As for the "consensus of people much smarter than you" (Kiper, Mayock on McShay); Due to the fact he fell to the 4th round, the consensus of people much smarter than you (AKA NFL GMs and coaches), he was a 4th round talent and the 121st pick in the draft.

He is bigger and faster than Schobel. Didn't Schobel go to the pro bowl, like two years ago?

[atlbillsfan1975]

Didn't say that. Just stating facts. So you're also saying he's the "steal of the draft" huh?

I would not go as far to say steal of the draft. Because that can not be determined until three years from now.

I will however go as far to say the Bills filled a need position, with a player that has a ton of potential.

Like i said earlier, i spoke to a friend of mine today, who heads the college scouting department for a team. Nelson, is a very good reciever, who needs to play more disciplined on a play by play basis. He can be very good, but has to focus every play, and yes get better on his blocking.

[ax4782]

Well, on the bright side, Maybin might be coming into his own by the time the next coaching staff starts to get their program rolling; and, they finally drafted some lineman.

 

Somebody mark this day down. I actually think Sisyphean may have had a tinge of optimism when he made this statement.

[ax4782]

Didn't say that. Just stating facts. So you're also saying he's the "steal of the draft" huh?

 

Why not? There's better tangible evidence for that statement than the steaming crock of your trying to sell on special.

[ax4782]

Goddamn, there's nothing worse than arguing with morons that bring NO CREDIBLE KNOWLEDGE to the table.

 

[NewHampshireBillsFan]

OK, How can a Bills fan be happy with what we see, our team is a train wreck!

1) "O" line is a disaster.. Our center was never an NFL starter, our projected guards are both rookies.. One tackle was a guard last year and the other tackle is OK at best

2) Our #1 pick was projected as a late first rounder.. He played 1 year of college and has a skillset of Chris Ellis.

3) Our second round pick was a CB to be converted into a safety..

4) Our rookie TE is a 4th rnd pick.. If he was a second rnd pick he would have been drafted in rnd 2 or maybe 3rd.. Hard to believe he'll make a difference.

 

Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb, we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO.

 

 

Your points 2 and 4 contradict each other. But I agree with your hope that you are wrong and I think you may get your hope.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Goddamn, there's nothing worse than arguing with morons that bring NO CREDIBLE KNOWLEDGE to the table.

[nodnarb]

OK, How can a Bills fan be happy with what we see, our team is a train wreck!

1) "O" line is a disaster.. Our center was never an NFL starter, our projected guards are both rookies.. One tackle was a guard last year and the other tackle is OK at best

2) Our #1 pick was projected as a late first rounder.. He played 1 year of college and has a skillset of Chris Ellis.

3) Our second round pick was a CB to be converted into a safety..

4) Our rookie TE is a 4th rnd pick.. If he was a second rnd pick he would have been drafted in rnd 2 or maybe 3rd.. Hard to believe he'll make a difference.

 

Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb, we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO.

 

 

Your "truths" are opinions. The "names" you wanted were just names you became familiar with. You're a bag o chips on the couch guy, and you think you know more than the Bills coaches about talent and scheme fits? Keep that hand in the bag, buddy. You have a problem with "1 year wonders" but you refer to Peters as an all pro. Here's news for ya: Peters was a one year wonder, too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 2, 3, and 4. In fact, this post of yours is so juvenile, so whiny, so hollow, I'm gonna stop bothering to respond. Later, Bag O' Chips Guy.

[nucci]

OK, How can a Bills fan be happy with what we see, our team is a train wreck!

1) "O" line is a disaster.. Our center was never an NFL starter, our projected guards are both rookies.. One tackle was a guard last year and the other tackle is OK at best

2) Our #1 pick was projected as a late first rounder.. He played 1 year of college and has a skillset of Chris Ellis.

3) Our second round pick was a CB to be converted into a safety..

4) Our rookie TE is a 4th rnd pick.. If he was a second rnd pick he would have been drafted in rnd 2 or maybe 3rd.. Hard to believe he'll make a difference.

 

Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb, we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO.

It's the off-season. This is when we are allowed to be optimistic.

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

It's the off-season. This is when we are allowed to be optimistic.

 

 

Exactly right, nucci... though I would go even further.

 

Anyone who uses the word "realistic" in discussing the activities of a bunch of genetic mutations in Halloween costumes beating the snot out of each other for the entertainment of others deserves to be laughed out of the Internet. You want realism? How about this, Buster? You are spending your time choosing to be gloomy about a voluntary activity. If you like doing that, good for you, but stop trying to claim that you are more realistic for doing so....

[Big Turk]

OK, How can a Bills fan be happy with what we see, our team is a train wreck!

1) "O" line is a disaster.. Our center was never an NFL starter, our projected guards are both rookies.. One tackle was a guard last year and the other tackle is OK at best

2) Our #1 pick was projected as a late first rounder.. He played 1 year of college and has a skillset of Chris Ellis.

3) Our second round pick was a CB to be converted into a safety..

4) Our rookie TE is a 4th rnd pick.. If he was a second rnd pick he would have been drafted in rnd 2 or maybe 3rd.. Hard to believe he'll make a difference.

 

Other factors'; we lose an all-pro T, we have no decent left lb, we have an unproven QB, oh yes, the Bills tiks will sell and sell and we'll miss the playoffs AGAIN.. another prediction after an 0-3 start, jauron will say to be "patient" because the line is unfamiliar with each other and Trent isn't used to T.O... We finish 3-13, "changes" are made, we sell out AGAIN etc. etc. etc.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but the above makes a lot of sense to me IMO.

 

1) Get your facts straight....he in fact started 8 games last year, 4 in 2007, and 15 in 2006. According to most people Carolina's O-line was so good, he was just the odd man out, but was a more than capable starter. Jordan Black thought Hangartner was so important to Carolina's success, he offered to re-structure his contract to keep him. Hangartner will be a very solid addition to this line, and is among the smartest players in the game, scoring a stunning 47 out of 50 on the Wonderlic. Michael Turner was "never a starter" either...how did that work out for the Falcons? That argument makes no sense.

 

2) Umm...whatever...

 

3) Who cares? Players change positions all the time when they enter the NFL. Byrd was projected as one of the best safeties in the draft, because his skill set fits the safety position in the NFL more than it fits the corner position.

 

4) I guess players like Kurt Warner, Priest Holmes, Tom Brady, Terrell Owens, Hines Ward, etc, etc, etc will be devastated to know there is no possible way they are as good as they have played because they weren't 2nd round picks or higher...

[Big Turk]

Your "truths" are opinions. The "names" you wanted were just names you became familiar with. You're a bag o chips on the couch guy, and you think you know more than the Bills coaches about talent and scheme fits? Keep that hand in the bag, buddy. You have a problem with "1 year wonders" but you refer to Peters as an all pro. Here's news for ya: Peters was a one year wonder, too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 2, 3, and 4. In fact, this post of yours is so juvenile, so whiny, so hollow, I'm gonna stop bothering to respond. Later, Bag O' Chips Guy.

 

Yeah. what he said...I feel these are more "truths" than the original post...

[ax4782]

Your "truths" are opinions. The "names" you wanted were just names you became familiar with. You're a bag o chips on the couch guy, and you think you know more than the Bills coaches about talent and scheme fits? Keep that hand in the bag, buddy. You have a problem with "1 year wonders" but you refer to Peters as an all pro. Here's news for ya: Peters was a one year wonder, too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 2, 3, and 4. In fact, this post of yours is so juvenile, so whiny, so hollow, I'm gonna stop bothering to respond. Later, Bag O' Chips Guy.

 

Right on. And most likely completely true.