IBTG81 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I hate to say this, but it appears as if Bush is going to lose. People don't turn out to vote for the incumbant. I hope and pray I'm wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 B.S. Get to the polls and VOTE. Nothing is over until WE say it is over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I hate to say this, but it appears as if Bush is going to lose. People don't turn out to vote for the incumbant. I hope and pray I'm wrong... 97232[/snapback] Tell that to those who voted Reagan in 84. In record numbers. Settle down. It was an unweighted exit poll, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 Tell that to those who voted Reagan in 84. In record numbers. Settle down. It was an unweighted exit poll, nothing more, nothing less. 97238[/snapback] I need a hug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I hate to say this, but it appears as if Bush is going to lose. People don't turn out to vote for the incumbant. I hope and pray I'm wrong... 97232[/snapback] I agree Ed. Let me add that if there is any good news about this election, it was to watch you personally come around. If the billionaire fag-hag, and her weak, waffling butt boy win, so be it. The struggle will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 As the American Conservative magazine said, the best thing for the Republican party and traditional Republicans would be for Bush to lose. He and the neoconservatives have done more harm than good. If, in fact, Bush loses, there is going to be a lot of soul searching within the party. Ultimately, the party will go back to its Reagan roots (I hope). If you are a (traditional) Republican, there is a silver lining if Bush loses. If you are a neoconservative, your agenda will be blamed for bringing down this administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Don't worry yourself Ed. These people have not voted for John Kerry today, they have voted against George W. Bush. Kerry is nothing more than an opportunist making the most of a selfish America. An America unwilling to make the short term sacrifices necessary to secure our freedoms for the generations to come. Let the pacifists rejoice today. It will come back and bite us all in the ass tomorrow. I echo what Bill has said. You've come along just fine brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Don't worry yourself Ed. These people have not voted for John Kerry today, they have voted against George W. Bush. Kerry is nothing more than an opportunist making the most of a selfish America. An America unwilling to make the short term sacrifices necessary to secure our freedoms for the generations to come. Let the pacifists rejoice today. It will come back and bite us all in the ass tomorrow. I echo what Bill has said. You've come along just fine brother. 97262[/snapback] Oh for the love of CHRIST! These were UNWEIGHTED exit polls from SELECT districts!! Settle down, you nellies. There's HOURS to go yet, an MILLIONS of people yet to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Don't worry yourself Ed. These people have not voted for John Kerry today, they have voted against George W. Bush. Kerry is nothing more than an opportunist making the most of a selfish America. An America unwilling to make the short term sacrifices necessary to secure our freedoms for the generations to come. Let the pacifists rejoice today. It will come back and bite us all in the ass tomorrow. I echo what Bill has said. You've come along just fine brother. 97262[/snapback] Boy is that true. The instant gratification crowd is going to get us all killed. History is made by long term thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Oh for the love of CHRIST! These were UNWEIGHTED exit polls from SELECT districts!! Settle down, you nellies. There's HOURS to go yet, an MILLIONS of people yet to vote. 97266[/snapback] This early garbage and everybody saying it looks good for Kerry is the first thing that has made me nervous about Kerry losing. I was fine until I heard all this good stuff. I don't like it. People are almost always wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 This early garbage and everybody saying it looks good for Kerry is the first thing that has made me nervous about Kerry losing. I was fine until I heard all this good stuff. I don't like it. People are almost always wrong. 97273[/snapback] EXACTLY...the thousands upon thousands of statisticians employed by the pollsters would have to turn out to be COMPLETELY wrong in this case. And, statistically speaking, that's an IMPOSSIBILITY. I say again: There is NO WAY Kerry wins PA by 20. NO WAY. He will lose this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 EXACTLY...the thousands upon thousands of statisticians employed by the pollsters would have to turn out to be COMPLETELY wrong in this case. And, statistically speaking, that's an IMPOSSIBILITY. I say again: There is NO WAY Kerry wins PA by 20. NO WAY. He will lose this state. 97278[/snapback] Not to mention that the 'Main Steam Media' have shown themselves to be quite biased in trying to show 'exit polls' that paint their chosen boy as the winner (I'll leave you to figure out who that is, he usually has a -D next to his name) to try and keep people away from the polls thinking their vote will no longer count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 If, in fact, Bush loses, there is going to be a lot of soul searching within the party. Ultimately, the party will go back to its Reagan roots (I hope). Pardon a thick-headed question from a political neophyte, but how exactly are Reagan and BushII so radically different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Not to mention that the 'Main Steam Media' have shown themselves to be quite biased in trying to show 'exit polls' that paint their chosen boy as the winner (I'll leave you to figure out who that is, he usually has a -D next to his name) to try and keep people away from the polls thinking their vote will no longer count. 97302[/snapback] I cannot say this enough: THERE IS NO WAY KERRY WINS PA BY 20. It will not happen. The Dems could barely elect a Dem to the mayorship of Philly, and they're gonna beat Bush by 20%? I laugh in their general direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Oh for the love of CHRIST! These were UNWEIGHTED exit polls from SELECT districts!! Settle down, you nellies. There's HOURS to go yet, an MILLIONS of people yet to vote. 97266[/snapback] You know who's corner I'm in, and what I have said here has nothing to do with some silly ass election day poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Pardon a thick-headed question from a political neophyte, but how exactly are Reagan and BushII so radically different? 97318[/snapback] Hugley. Bush is a big spending "conservative" Reagan had the balls to snip the dead weight from the gov't and shift it to the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Hugley. Bush is a big spending "conservative" Reagan had the balls to snip the dead weight from the gov't and shift it to the military. 97325[/snapback] A rare agreement from me. Bush is a big government, big-spending, deficit ignoring Socialist. He's only a Republican because that's who endorsed him. If he was a Democrat, the Republicans would skewer him for his fiscal irresponsibility. I would LOVE nothing more than a Bush loss, and for the Conservatives to demand something better from their reps. Do you think McCain/Guiliani would lose to John friggin' Kerry? You guys can do better than Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidey Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 As the American Conservative magazine said, the best thing for the Republican party and traditional Republicans would be for Bush to lose. He and the neoconservatives have done more harm than good. If, in fact, Bush loses, there is going to be a lot of soul searching within the party. Ultimately, the party will go back to its Reagan roots (I hope). If you are a (traditional) Republican, there is a silver lining if Bush loses. If you are a neoconservative, your agenda will be blamed for bringing down this administration. 97259[/snapback] Here Here as a centrist leaning republican I am hoping and praying for a Kerry landslide tonight. It will really force some soul searching in the party and we can get back to the GOP of old( BTW Reagan helped push the party to the right by bringing some of the far right into the fold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 A rare agreement from me. Bush is a big government, big-spending, deficit ignoring Socialist. He's only a Republican because that's who endorsed him. If he was a Democrat, the Republicans would skewer him for his fiscal irresponsibility. I would LOVE nothing more than a Bush loss, and for the Conservatives to demand something better from their reps. Do you think McCain/Guiliani would lose to John friggin' Kerry? You guys can do better than Bush. 97336[/snapback] YOU GUYS? I'm a registered Libertarian. Voted lib for everything BUT president. Only because the thought of John Kerry as president terrifies me, not that I'm 100% a Bush man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Bush is a big spending "conservative" Didn't Reagan run up record deficits during his tenure? Reagan had the balls to snip the dead weight from the gov't and shift it to the military. Didn't Bush just pour 200 billion dollars into a military project? Sorry, but I'm still failing to see any appreciable difference here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Didn't Reagan run up record deficits during his tenure?Didn't Bush just pour 200 billion dollars into a military project? Sorry, but I'm still failing to see any appreciable difference here. 97346[/snapback] Yes, but on things the gov't is SUPPOSED to spend money on: Military, etc... He funded a war, not a buildup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Pardon a thick-headed question from a political neophyte, but how exactly are Reagan and BushII so radically different? 97318[/snapback] Primarily, the neoconservative agenda and the blind devotion to extremists in the party. For a good discussion of this, read Pat Buchanan's new book, "Where the Right Went Wrong," and Scott McConnell's piece in the American Conservative Magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 B.S. Get to the polls and VOTE. Nothing is over until WE say it is over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? 97237[/snapback] KD in CT's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Primarily, the neoconservative agenda and the blind devotion to extremists in the party. Reagan didn't roll out the red carpet for the godsquadders and the justsayno extremists? Vague references and buzzwords aren't showing me these glaring differences between Reagan and Bush. All I can see are the similarities between two free-spending, holier-than-thou, ultra conservatives with limited mental capacities. For a good discussion of this, read Pat Buchanan's new book, "Where the Right Went Wrong," and Scott McConnell's piece in the American Conservative Magazine. I'd be interested in the McConnell piece if there were a link available. But I'm not sure if I'd rather read a Pat Buchanan book or have papercuts on my eyeballs ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I need a hug. 97241[/snapback] You dont need a hug, you need a beating. Nine innings Pal. Yogi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 The exits that have been reported so far are absoulte BS. For example, the sampling is 59% Women vs. 41% Male. To any Bush supporter who is even the slightest bit worried -- SUCK IT UP AND GOTV!!!! This is going to be a close election and we knew last night it would be that way. You want it to be a landslide for Bush and melt when it isn't. Again, SUCK IT UP, go vote, and get your family, friends and neighbors out to vote. The Republican GOTV machine is hitting on all cylinders and this was a calulated move to derail it by the DNC and main-street-media. The DNC simply can not handle the thought of losing an election with high voter turnout. If you let this demoralize you then they win and you'll feel like a fool tomorrow. Think of the guys over in Iraq laying their a$$ on the line and expecting you to pull through for them. Get your minds back in the freaking game and keep the morale high. Bush will win if you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 The exits that have been reported so far are absoulte BS. For example, the sampling is 59% Women vs. 41% Male. To any Bush supporter who is even the slightest bit worried -- SUCK IT UP AND GOTV!!!! This is going to be a close election and we knew last night it would be that way. You want it to be a landslide for Bush and melt when it isn't. Again, SUCK IT UP, go vote, and get your family, friends and neighbors out to vote. The Republican GOTV machine is hitting on all cylinders and this was a calulated move to derail it by the DNC and main-street-media. The DNC simply can not handle the thought of losing an election with high voter turnout. If you let this demoralize you then they win and you'll feel like a fool tomorrow. Think of the guys over in Iraq laying their a$$ on the line and expecting you to pull through for them. Get your minds back in the freaking game and keep the morale high. Bush will win if you do. 97473[/snapback] !@#$ Mich, I just did a HoooRaaa!!, Nice post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 The exits that have been reported so far are absoulte BS. For example, the sampling is 59% Women vs. 41% Male. To any Bush supporter who is even the slightest bit worried -- SUCK IT UP AND GOTV!!!! This is going to be a close election and we knew last night it would be that way. You want it to be a landslide for Bush and melt when it isn't. Again, SUCK IT UP, go vote, and get your family, friends and neighbors out to vote. The Republican GOTV machine is hitting on all cylinders and this was a calulated move to derail it by the DNC and main-street-media. The DNC simply can not handle the thought of losing an election with high voter turnout. If you let this demoralize you then they win and you'll feel like a fool tomorrow. Think of the guys over in Iraq laying their a$$ on the line and expecting you to pull through for them. Get your minds back in the freaking game and keep the morale high. Bush will win if you do. 97473[/snapback] I voted at 7:30 AM this morning. Everyone I know is voting for Bush except my gf. My mom even is (everyone who knows that story should be shocked), but they despise LIBERALS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 The exits that have been reported so far are absoulte BS. For example, the sampling is 59% Women vs. 41% Male. To any Bush supporter who is even the slightest bit worried -- SUCK IT UP AND GOTV!!!! This is going to be a close election and we knew last night it would be that way. You want it to be a landslide for Bush and melt when it isn't. Again, SUCK IT UP, go vote, and get your family, friends and neighbors out to vote. The Republican GOTV machine is hitting on all cylinders and this was a calulated move to derail it by the DNC and main-street-media. The DNC simply can not handle the thought of losing an election with high voter turnout. If you let this demoralize you then they win and you'll feel like a fool tomorrow. Think of the guys over in Iraq laying their a$$ on the line and expecting you to pull through for them. Get your minds back in the freaking game and keep the morale high. Bush will win if you do. 97473[/snapback] Great post!!!! Perfectly stated!!! Come on W! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I voted at 7:30 AM this morning. Everyone I know is voting for Bush except my gf. My mom even is (everyone who knows that story should be shocked), but they despise LIBERALS. 97486[/snapback] I have the same kind of anecdotal evidence. Everyone in mine and my wife's family is voting bush. Except for my father-in law, the wife's sister and her husband. That's it. It's a margin of 14-3 in my family. And I'm willing to wager it's similar across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 but they despise LIBERALS. 97486[/snapback] They don't like big government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Tell that to the guy I work with. He lives in IL and has property in MI. He had to go up to MI and vote on some of the referendums up there... It is his right. I guess the presidential election was going on there... So I guess he voted twice... BTW he's republican and voted twice for Bush! It goes on everywhere! The should have one race ballots for president, standardized and linked registration to your SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Reagan was a lot more pragmatic when it came to risking American lives. He would never had gotten us into the post "mission accomplished" mess where the majority of deaths have occurred. Reagan didn't have the Armageddon is just around the corner so lets hasten its arrival mentality that some of the Bush people appear to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Reagan was a lot more pragmatic when it came to risking American lives. He would never had gotten us into the post "mission accomplished" mess where the majority of deaths have occurred. Reagan didn't have the Armageddon is just around the corner so lets hasten its arrival mentality that some of the Bush people appear to have. 97520[/snapback] Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Good post. 97555[/snapback] Actually, no. That wasn't a good post. Bush is trying to hasten Armageddon? Talk about your scare tactics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Since I don't believe in Armageddon I wouldn't ever say Bush is hastening Armageddon. What I did say is that Bush surrounds himself with people who more or less agree with him that it's not such a bad thing to hasten something they believe in. That's why I referred to it as a mentality, because you can't hasten something that isn't going to happen, but you can believe you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Since I don't believe in Armageddon I wouldn't ever say Bush is hastening Armageddon. What I did say is that Bush surrounds himself with people who more or less agree with him that it's not such a bad thing to hasten something they believe in. That's why I referred to it as a mentality, because you can't hasten something that isn't going to happen, but you can believe you will. 97590[/snapback] Couldn't you just say that you find Bush's foreign policy wreckless and leave it at that? Why do you have to characterize his administration as having this nonchalant attitude about facilitating Armageddon? Bush and his advisors have families of their own that they care about; I think they'd like to delay the annihilation of mankind for at least their children and grandchildren, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 3, 2004 Author Share Posted November 3, 2004 I've never been happier to have been wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiew Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? I can't believe you guys let KD in CT get away with this! Y'all must be really tired to let this slip by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I can't believe you guys let KD in CT get away with this! Y'all must be really tired to let this slip by. 98487[/snapback] Uhm, you do realize that's a quote from "Animal House", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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