Poland Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft. Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL. If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL? And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks. Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there. If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft. Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL. If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL? And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks. Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there. If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one. Hmmm...so Lee Evans and Lynch are all lousy picks and they dont have a clue? I mean, they are our two most talented offensive players, and maybe the two most talented on our squad and they are first round picks. Whitner and Poz are pretty good too...what about McKelvin? Nate Clements? Winfield? Hmm...all were good early pick players... Seems the only one who doesnt have a clue here are the posters who say stuff like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 We can't get excited over the coach, the current roster, the probable lack of impact free agent players that will be brought in, or the tough schedule next year, so the only thing left is the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft. Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL. If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL? And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks. Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there. If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one. Your mother didn't breast feed you did she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 add in the fact they just hired a talent evaluator/scout for the team that they desperatly needed...cant remember his name and kind find any links so dont ask... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 don't have clue one. Mirror, mirror on TSW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft. Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL. If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL? And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks. Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there. If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one. Because we are Bills/football fans and it is what we do. Feel free to ignore the draft if you would like to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abqmarko Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft. Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL. If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL? And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks. Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there. If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one. I AGREE---What annoys me with the Bills braintrust is that they allowed Modrak to reside full time on Florida and not even live in the community of the team he represents. There's information that he inherently misses by NOT being around co-workers/players on a regular basis. Theres a level of trust I'm sure players and other management do not have when they dont really know or see a co-worker. This lack of visiblity creates a lack of candor, honesty and trust that has to effect the team adversely. If he is not commited enough to commit to the team why is the team commited to him-T HE BOTTOM LINE: He is the one consistent factor the Bills still have from the loser era begining with the other TOM, Tom Donahoe. Give me a break. The record speaks for itself-we didnt even pursue a Center , a known position of need last year, and Bill Polians (ex-Bills) team started a rookie from the University of BUFFALO-the Bills didnt even see a need to bring in a free agent at the worst position on the O-Line-beautiful! Great job Modrak! lets increase his control! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poland Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hmmm...so Lee Evans and Lynch are all lousy picks and they dont have a clue? I mean, they are our two most talented offensive players, and maybe the two most talented on our squad and they are first round picks. Whitner and Poz are pretty good too...what about McKelvin? Nate Clements? Winfield? Hmm...all were good early pick players... Seems the only one who doesnt have a clue here are the posters who say stuff like this... Modrak has been here since june 2001 . He wasn't here when they drafted nate clements, see you don't have a clue. Winfield, same thing...Modrak wasn't here...oops... again you don't have a clue, but you run your trap. Here's a rundown of the 1st round picks since Modrak has been with the Bills: 2002 mike williams- huge bust 2003 willis mcgahee- a retard and a bust 2004 losman- a retard and the Bills biggest ever draft bust 2004 evans- he got one right 2005- no 1st round pick 2006- whitner- picked a very average safety 8th overall, passed on cutler, huge f*** up 2006- mccargo- epic bust has hardly seen the field except from the sidelines 2007 lynch- a retard and a 4 ypc runner, real yawner of a pick 2008 mckelvin- looks like he might be a player, we'll see Now that you have been given your lesson and learned that you don't have a clue, do you still think Modrak has a good track record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Modrak has been here since june 2001 .He wasn't here when they drafted nate clements, see you don't have a clue. Winfield, same thing...Modrak wasn't here...oops... again you don't have a clue, but you run your trap. Here's a rundown of the 1st round picks since Modrak has been with the Bills: 2002 mike williams- huge bust 2003 willis mcgahee- a retard and a bust 2004 losman- a retard and the Bills biggest ever draft bust 2004 evans- he got one right 2005- no 1st round pick 2006- whitner- picked a very average safety 8th overall, passed on cutler, huge f*** up 2006- mccargo- epic bust has hardly seen the field except from the sidelines 2007 lynch- a retard and a 4 ypc runner, real yawner of a pick 2008 mckelvin- looks like he might be a player, we'll see Now that you have been given your lesson and learned that you don't have a clue, do you still think Modrak has a good track record? You almost had me until you got to Lynch. Do you even watch the games? I almost guarantee you're the first person to ever refer to Lynch as a "yawner". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Modrak has been here since june 2001 .He wasn't here when they drafted nate clements, see you don't have a clue. Winfield, same thing...Modrak wasn't here...oops... again you don't have a clue, but you run your trap. Here's a rundown of the 1st round picks since Modrak has been with the Bills: 2002 mike williams- huge bust 2003 willis mcgahee- a retard and a bust 2004 losman- a retard and the Bills biggest ever draft bust 2004 evans- he got one right 2005- no 1st round pick 2006- whitner- picked a very average safety 8th overall, passed on cutler, huge f*** up 2006- mccargo- epic bust has hardly seen the field except from the sidelines 2007 lynch- a retard and a 4 ypc runner, real yawner of a pick 2008 mckelvin- looks like he might be a player, we'll see Now that you have been given your lesson and learned that you don't have a clue, do you still think Modrak has a good track record? What's wrong with 4 ypc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poland Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 You almost had me until you got to Lynch. Do you even watch the games? I almost guarantee you're the first person to ever refer to Lynch as a "yawner". Not true at all, many agree with me, in fact if you watch you'll hear game announcers notice what I do, that he doesn't hit the hole. Why do you think lynch averages 4 ypc with the Bills ? Fred Jackson out of the Arena league and NFL Europe averages 4.6 ypc with the Bills. SEE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Not true at all, many agree with me, in fact if you watch you'll hear game announcers notice what I do, that he doesn't hit the hole.Why do you think lynch averages 4 ypc with the Bills ? Fred Jackson out of the Arena league and NFL Europe averages 4.6 ypc with the Bills. SEE ? Kenneth Davis averaged 4.5 ypc for the Bills while Thurman averaged 4.1. SEE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poland Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 What's wrong with 4 ypc? Nothing if that's all you are looking for out of a 1st rounder. If you're looking for average players in the 1st round then the Bills have them in Whitner and Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poland Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 Kenneth Davis averaged 4.5 ypc for the Bills while Thurman averaged 4.1. SEE ? Yeah if you choose to count all 13 years of Thomas's career! Don't you think you're comparing apple and oranges when you take the career average of a player who hangs around for 13 years. If Lynch is averaging 4 ypc in his prime he won't make it to 13 years or anything close to it. By the way Thurman Thomas had 4458 career receiving yards and 23 td catches. Lynch isn't even close to the player that Thomas was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Yeah if you choose to count all 13 years of Thomas's career! Don't you think you're comparing apple and oranges when you take the career average of a player who hangs around for 13 years. If Lynch is averaging 4 ypc in his prime he won't make it to 13 years or anything close to it. By the way Thurman Thomas had 4458 career receiving yards and 23 td catches. Lynch isn't even close to the player that Thomas was. You obviously missed the point. Complimentary RB's sometimes have higher YPC because they get less carries, it doesn't mean that they are the better back. Thomas averaged 4.3 ypc in his first season and 4.2 ypc in his second season. Lynch also has more TD's thus far in his career. Let's give Lynch some time, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft. Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL. If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL? And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks. Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there. If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one. Wow Poland, In just a few short days, you've established an impressive legacy of pointing out problems and offering no solutions. I know you're trying to tell it like it is. But not everything associated with this franchise (including us) is bad and in need of fixing. For me this message board is not a way to spray negativity into the universe. There are already too many people who post here who are either unhappy or negative (in life or about the Bills) and have to manifest this onto the rest of mankind. I try to come here for intelligent sports talk. Not the unfunny one-line, "quips" that offer no solutions that abound around here. Nor the longer, "the sky is falling and we're all about to die" essays. Good, solid (if hypothetical) football takes from people who decide that if they could do it again, they would want to come back as the General Manager (or at least an advisor) of the Buffalo Bills. So let me play devil's advocate to your claim that, and I'll paraphrase you, that "the Bills under the guidance of Tom Modrak do a generally poor job of choosing talent and as a result, none of us should really concern ourselves with discussing the draft. Firstly, how have they done drafting? I don't know of any reliable statistical analysis which grades NFL teams reliably on their recent past drafts. Like all teams there are hits and misses. Some people here like to point out that we could have had Tom Brady. So could have every other team in the NFL...six times. Yes I'd rather have Haloti Ngata than Donte Whitner but on the other hand only Mario Williams and D'Brickashaw Ferguson have outplayed Whitner of those who were taken before him. Look, without a real scientific study showing who drafted who when, how long that player played for that team, how good a player that player was, etc. we don't really know if the Bills are better or worse than the average NFL team in terms of recent drafts. But for the sake of discussion, I'll go along with your criticism: The Bills draft poorly since Modrak's been here. Okay. So how much has Modrak been a part of that? Well, he's never been general manager, he's never been President. He's never been Vice President for Football Operations. In other words, he's basically a scout, super-scout if you prefer. How much weight does he have in decisions? We don't know. All we know is that Brandon, Modrak, Guy, Wilson, and Jauron are making collaborative decisions. This has been the basic approach since Marv succeeded Donahoe. Now we hear that Modrak will have more say. Is that a good thing? We don't know but as you suggest, less of Brandon and more of Modrak probably is a good thing. As another poster pointed out, Buddy Nix returned to the Bills organization a few months ago. Last season he was Assistant General Manager and Director of Player Personnel for the San Diego Chargers. He's a very respected evaluator. The story is that there was a falling out between Nix and A.J. Smith (yes another person Smith pissed off) who Nix left Buffalo to go to San Diego with in the first place. The hiring of Nix to me seems like the Bills are weighting the decision making more towards the scouting department again and away from Brandon. So this is cause for optimism. I'm excited about the Bills offseason. I am perhaps overly optimistic but I'd rather that than come here and just negatively pollute the board every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantstopbeastmode Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Wow Poland, In just a few short days, you've established an impressive legacy of pointing out problems and offering no solutions. I know you're trying to tell it like it is. But not everything associated with this franchise (including us) is bad and in need of fixing. For me this message board is not a way to spray negativity into the universe. There are already too many people who post here who are either unhappy or negative (in life or about the Bills) and have to manifest this onto the rest of mankind. I try to come here for intelligent sports talk. Not the unfunny one-line, "quips" that offer no solutions that abound around here. Nor the longer, "the sky is falling and we're all about to die" essays. Good, solid (if hypothetical) football takes from people who decide that if they could do it again, they would want to come back as the General Manager (or at least an advisor) of the Buffalo Bills. So let me play devil's advocate to your claim that, and I'll paraphrase you, that "the Bills under the guidance of Tom Modrak do a generally poor job of choosing talent and as a result, none of us should really concern ourselves with discussing the draft. Firstly, how have they done drafting? I don't know of any reliable statistical analysis which grades NFL teams reliably on their recent past drafts. Like all teams there are hits and misses. Some people here like to point out that we could have had Tom Brady. So could have every other team in the NFL...six times. Yes I'd rather have Haloti Ngata than Donte Whitner but on the other hand only Mario Williams and D'Brickashaw Ferguson have outplayed Whitner of those who were taken before him. Look, without a real scientific study showing who drafted who when, how long that player played for that team, how good a player that player was, etc. we don't really know if the Bills are better or worse than the average NFL team in terms of recent drafts. But for the sake of discussion, I'll go along with your criticism: The Bills draft poorly since Modrak's been here. Okay. So how much has Modrak been a part of that? Well, he's never been general manager, he's never been President. He's never been Vice President for Football Operations. In other words, he's basically a scout, super-scout if you prefer. How much weight does he have in decisions? We don't know. All we know is that Brandon, Modrak, Guy, Wilson, and Jauron are making collaborative decisions. This has been the basic approach since Marv succeeded Donahoe. Now we hear that Modrak will have more say. Is that a good thing? We don't know but as you suggest, less of Brandon and more of Modrak probably is a good thing. As another poster pointed out, Buddy Nix returned to the Bills organization a few months ago. Last season he was Assistant General Manager and Director of Player Personnel for the San Diego Chargers. He's a very respected evaluator. The story is that there was a falling out between Nix and A.J. Smith (yes another person Smith pissed off) who Nix left Buffalo to go to San Diego with in the first place. The hiring of Nix to me seems like the Bills are weighting the decision making more towards the scouting department again and away from Brandon. So this is cause for optimism. I'm excited about the Bills offseason. I am perhaps overly optimistic but I'd rather that than come here and just negatively pollute the board every day. Agreed. Poland = F**king ridiculous, always wrong, needs to shut the f**k up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poland Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 Kenneth Davis averaged 4.5 ypc for the Bills while Thurman averaged 4.1. SEE ? NO I don't see. First of all Kenneth Davis' career average is 4.3 ypc so I don't know where you got that stat. Secondly we need to compared their stats when they were both with the Buffalo Bills, from 1989 to 1994 Thomas 4.4 ypc Davis 4.2 ypc Thurman Thomas 1989 BUF 16 298 1244 4.2 1990 BUF 16 271 1297 4.8 1991 BUF 15 288 1407 4.9 1992 BUF 16 312 1487 4.8 1993 BUF 16 355 1315 3.7 1994 BUF 15 287 1093 3.8 TOTALS 1802 7843 4.4 Kenneth Davis 1989 BUF 16 29 149 5.1 1990 BUF 16 64 302 4.7 1991 BUF 16 129 624 4.8 1992 BUF 16 139 613 4.4 1993 BUF 16 109 391 3.6 1994 BUF 16 91 381 4.2 TOTALS 561 2360 4.2 SEE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If you look at the track record of the Bills draft with Modrak, it makes no sense for Bills fans to invest a whole lot of time discussing the draft. Being that the Bills do a shoddy job of evaluating NFL free agents who have already spent years in the league, it's almost expected that they're not going to excel at projecting what college players will do in the NFL. If they cannot gauge the ability of an NFL player how are they going to gauge they ability of a college player in the NFL? And their track record shows exactly that, it sucks. Worse yet they now have a guy in the gm role who has no business being there. If this team happens upon a good 1st round pick this year it will be by pure accident because it's obvious by now that they don't have clue one. So you joined yesterday (under this screen name) and are obviously here only to amuse yourself by starting argumentative threads contrived to provoke, I gotta wonder - under what, and how many, other name(s) have you been making an ass of yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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