Fingon Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 You say you are not racist but you sure sound it, and you sound uneducated. You are probably one of those people that says there should be a NAAWP, or there should be a unicef for white people. Look at the spirit of the rule. It is to make sure that people from another background are offered the same opportunity as white people. If you look at the numbers of head coaches it still doesn't make sense. There is a much larger percentage of minorities as players and the coaching staffs should also represent that number. If you have ever studied law-- white educated men are not a protected group, by law. There hasn't been cases of gross discrimination against the educated white male, like there have been against all other classes of people. Therefore, laws are in place to ensure a fair opportunity. The NFL created the Rooney rule to garantee that minorities get the same opportunities as everybody else. Go wear your sheet in private but your true colors are showing here. Wow, you are a complete idiot. Are people against affirmative action racist too? I'd like to know when complaining about rules that apply to certain people because of the color of their skin became racist. Somehow, I don't think that believing the rooney rule to be BS requires you to think your race is superior. (which is the definition of racism) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The NFL really ticks me off. I know this post is about Frank Reich and I hope that he does well; he's a total class act. The reason the NFL gets me so upset is because of the hiring system put in place. Before I go any further I would like to tell everyone that I am not a racist and that some of my very good friends are African-American. How does the NFL allow Jim Caldwell to become the head coach of the Colts without even interviewing a white guy??? Why is it that the ONLY rule in place is that a black man gets interviewed? The NFL does not care if a hispanic, latino, white, or chinese guy gets interviewed, as long as one of the candadites is black. When Marvin Lewis got hired in Cincinnati it was the same deal. Lewis got hired before a white guy was even interviewed. The Detroit Lions got chastised when they chose Mariucci a few years back and didn't follow the league guidelines to bring in a black man for an interview. The bottom line is that I think the teams should interview and select who they want. I really have no problem with the Colts wanting Caldwell. My problem is that the NFL allows the system to only work in order to benefit blacks and that is not fair. Blacks probably make up 85% of the NFL players but how come white people aren't bitching about how teams are drafting mostly black players and picking up mainly black free agents. How come we don't have a rule to say that a certain number of white players need to be brought in to camp prior to the cut down. Why? because that would be rediculous. Teams have the right to choose who they think are the best players to bring to camp and therefore they should be allowed to interview who they feel are the best HC canadites as well. Fair is Fair... It's called Reverse Disrcrimination and it is not just limited to the NFL. Like you, I have friends who are African American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hey.. wait a second.. ponder this: Once the Latino population eclipses all, caucasians will be a minority technically, so there you are! They will have to change all of the laws, et al, to reflect this change. That will be SO funny... To get to the post about the Caldwell hire, get real, it is really needed. However, college football has a HUGE problem.. much worse than the NFL, and they have no Rooney rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 You say you are not racist but you sure sound it, and you sound uneducated. You are probably one of those people that says there should be a NAAWP, or there should be a unicef for white people. Look at the spirit of the rule. It is to make sure that people from another background are offered the same opportunity as white people. If you look at the numbers of head coaches it still doesn't make sense. There is a much larger percentage of minorities as players and the coaching staffs should also represent that number. If you have ever studied law-- white educated men are not a protected group, by law. There hasn't been cases of gross discrimination against the educated white male, like there have been against all other classes of people. Therefore, laws are in place to ensure a fair opportunity. The NFL created the Rooney rule to garantee that minorities get the same opportunities as everybody else. Go wear your sheet in private but your true colors are showing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 You say you are not racist but you sure sound it, and you sound uneducated. Go wear your sheet in private but your true colors are showing here. I have to agree with your other critics on this post. Either you completely missed the posts' intent, or you should get out more. BTW, way to hi-jack a thread.. Best wishes Frank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 About me being a racist. I have been coaching inner city basketbll for 15 years and love all my players like they were family. I average about 1 or 2 white players on my team each year. I knew that someone would use those words on me; theirs always someone that likes to play the race card. I am happy for Caldwell and I think he'll do a great job. I thought Dungy was awesome and his character shines. I only questioned the fact that it's not right that only one race needs to be interviewed to declare the interview as fair. As far as my education Fingon: I am a teacher with a masters degree and before I was a teacher I was a deputy sheriff and yes I did have to study the laws. Have a nice day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 And give it up to the idea of former back-up quarterbacks (of the Bills) being quarterback coaches. Tell that to Alex Van Pelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Tell that to Alex Van Pelt. Huh? That's what I just did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Sup with new guys just quoting the original poster without any additional content? And give it up to the idea of former back-up quarterbacks (of the Bills) being quarterback coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Huh? That's what I just did... Yeah, it's his fault he can't make chicken salad out of the ingredients he's given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yeah, it's his fault he can't make chicken salad out of the ingredients he's given. No idea what you're on about. Chicken Salad and Alex Van Pelt? Yeah, he probably doesn't eat a lot of that. I'm guessing he's more of a burger/fries guy. In case you didn't read it properly, I like the idea of our former back-ups being quarterback coaches around the league and here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ..., I like the idea of our former back-ups being quarterback coaches around the league and here. Kay Stephenson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The NFL really ticks me off. I know this post is about Frank Reich and I hope that he does well; he's a total class act. The reason the NFL gets me so upset is because of the hiring system put in place. Before I go any further I would like to tell everyone that I am not a racist and that some of my very good friends are African-American. How does the NFL allow Jim Caldwell to become the head coach of the Colts without even interviewing a white guy??? Why is it that the ONLY rule in place is that a black man gets interviewed? The NFL does not care if a hispanic, latino, white, or chinese guy gets interviewed, as long as one of the candadites is black. When Marvin Lewis got hired in Cincinnati it was the same deal. Lewis got hired before a white guy was even interviewed. The Detroit Lions got chastised when they chose Mariucci a few years back and didn't follow the league guidelines to bring in a black man for an interview. The bottom line is that I think the teams should interview and select who they want. I really have no problem with the Colts wanting Caldwell. My problem is that the NFL allows the system to only work in order to benefit blacks and that is not fair. Blacks probably make up 85% of the NFL players but how come white people aren't bitching about how teams are drafting mostly black players and picking up mainly black free agents. How come we don't have a rule to say that a certain number of white players need to be brought in to camp prior to the cut down. Why? because that would be rediculous. Teams have the right to choose who they think are the best players to bring to camp and therefore they should be allowed to interview who they feel are the best HC canadites as well. Fair is Fair... Ease up a little ... I highly doubt white coaches can make much of an argument over this. However, your point about the Rooney rule targeting black coaches is interesting. I wonder if the league os trying to do anything to support player and coach development among other minority groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The NFL really ticks me off. I know this post is about Frank Reich and I hope that he does well; he's a total class act. The reason the NFL gets me so upset is because of the hiring system put in place. Before I go any further I would like to tell everyone that I am not a racist and that some of my very good friends are African-American. How does the NFL allow Jim Caldwell to become the head coach of the Colts without even interviewing a white guy??? Why is it that the ONLY rule in place is that a black man gets interviewed? The NFL does not care if a hispanic, latino, white, or chinese guy gets interviewed, as long as one of the candadites is black. When Marvin Lewis got hired in Cincinnati it was the same deal. Lewis got hired before a white guy was even interviewed. The Detroit Lions got chastised when they chose Mariucci a few years back and didn't follow the league guidelines to bring in a black man for an interview. The bottom line is that I think the teams should interview and select who they want. I really have no problem with the Colts wanting Caldwell. My problem is that the NFL allows the system to only work in order to benefit blacks and that is not fair. Blacks probably make up 85% of the NFL players but how come white people aren't bitching about how teams are drafting mostly black players and picking up mainly black free agents. How come we don't have a rule to say that a certain number of white players need to be brought in to camp prior to the cut down. Why? because that would be rediculous. Teams have the right to choose who they think are the best players to bring to camp and therefore they should be allowed to interview who they feel are the best HC canadites as well. Fair is Fair... I believe that any rule/law/policy that favors any race over the other is just wrong. That said, Indy has had Caldwell on their staff for years and they obviously feel that he is head coach material. Teams should be able to hire whoever they want and interview whoever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Wow, this thread has it all doesn't it? It sure started out innocently enough...props to Reich, I hope he is highly successful and uses this as a springboard to bigger n better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Caldwell is gonna do well as an HC. He probably can't do much worse than he did at Wake Forest. Can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The one gap attacking style of defense isn't the problem; finding linebackers that can cover the holes in the zones is. Jim Mora Jr. thrives on that style, without being passive in his defense. Even Minnesota, despite its Tampa 2 leanings, uses the Williams Wall to implode the interior of the line and Jared Allen to terrorize the outside. Heck, the "creep" Fewell uses from time to time is something akin to the 3-4 rather than a 4-3. I know some of y'all hate the Tampa 2, but hate the coverage not necessarily the methodology and/or attitude of it.... Well, that is pretty much what I was saying. The defense is fine, if you can find the right talent to run it. It appears, more and more, it is losing popularity with teams, because they can't find that talent. So, the Colts, like the Bills I think, have been trying to chase this rainbow, and are now giving up, becuase they are stuck with a bunch of smallish defensive players, that aren't good enough for the Tampa 2, and probably aren't top talent to run another, more conventional offense. The Bills defense has some okay games, but every time I see guys like Ryan Denney dropping into pass coverage, and Posluszny getting his lunch stuffed back down his throat, frankly, it is embarassing to watch. It happens as often as it doesn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well, that is pretty much what I was saying. The defense is fine, if you can find the right talent to run it. It appears, more and more, it is losing popularity with teams, because they can't find that talent. So, the Colts, like the Bills I think, have been trying to chase this rainbow, and are now giving up, becuase they are stuck with a bunch of smallish defensive players, that aren't good enough for the Tampa 2, and probably aren't top talent to run another, more conventional offense.The Bills defense has some okay games, but every time I see guys like Ryan Denney dropping into pass coverage, and Posluszny getting his lunch stuffed back down his throat, frankly, it is embarassing to watch. It happens as often as it doesn't... I couldn't agree with you more. The players that have been put in place are the problem not the system. Unfortunately at this point we are only above average in the secondary and subpar everywhere else on D. It's not going to happen in one offseason either. Standby for more mediocre results from this side of the ball. As a bonus alot of our mediocrity is going to be around for awhile and overpaid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic Guilt Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 I have already planted the seed for Bills head coach in the future with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 The NFL really ticks me off. I know this post is about Frank Reich and I hope that he does well; he's a total class act. The reason the NFL gets me so upset is because of the hiring system put in place. Before I go any further I would like to tell everyone that I am not a racist and that some of my very good friends are African-American. How does the NFL allow Jim Caldwell to become the head coach of the Colts without even interviewing a white guy??? Why is it that the ONLY rule in place is that a black man gets interviewed? The NFL does not care if a hispanic, latino, white, or chinese guy gets interviewed, as long as one of the candadites is black. When Marvin Lewis got hired in Cincinnati it was the same deal. Lewis got hired before a white guy was even interviewed. The Detroit Lions got chastised when they chose Mariucci a few years back and didn't follow the league guidelines to bring in a black man for an interview. The bottom line is that I think the teams should interview and select who they want. I really have no problem with the Colts wanting Caldwell. My problem is that the NFL allows the system to only work in order to benefit blacks and that is not fair. Blacks probably make up 85% of the NFL players but how come white people aren't bitching about how teams are drafting mostly black players and picking up mainly black free agents. How come we don't have a rule to say that a certain number of white players need to be brought in to camp prior to the cut down. Why? because that would be rediculous. Teams have the right to choose who they think are the best players to bring to camp and therefore they should be allowed to interview who they feel are the best HC canadites as well. Fair is Fair... He was annoited coaching in waiting just like Wade Phillips was in Bufflao and Bill Belechick was with the Jets. It does happen when contracts are written that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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