Want to fire Jauron and replace him with a coordinator?

[dave mcbride]

If they fire Jauron and don't turn to a retread, who do they replace him with? Do you really think they'll get anyone better from the coordinator ranks? Or are you hoping for the luck of the draw despite the uninterrupted history of Bills' failures with coordinator and position coaches going back to team's founding? Remember that Mularkey and Williams are only the last two in a very long line of abject failures in this regard -- Hank Bullough, Kay Stephenson, Jim Ringo, Harvey Johnson, and Joe Collier. In fact, the only Bills coaches in history who have been any good -- Saban, Knox, Levy, and Phillips -- had been head coaches before coming to the Bills. (I'm excluding Buster Ramsey, who had a losing record in any case.)

[Jerry Jabber]

If they fire Jauron and don't turn to a retread, who do they replace him with? Do you really think they'll get anyone better from the coordinator ranks? Or are you hoping for the luck of the draw despite the uninterrupted history of Bills' failures with coordinator and position coaches going back to team's founding? Remember that Mularkey and Williams are only the last two in a very long line of abject failures in this regard -- Hank Bullough, Kay Stephenson, Jim Ringo, Harvey Johnson, and Joe Collier. In fact, the only Bills coaches in history who have been any good -- Saban, Knox, Levy, and Phillips -- had been head coaches before coming to the Bills. (I'm excluding Buster Ramsey, who had a losing record in any case.)

 

I would hope Ralph would finally realize that we need to get someone who has had decent success as a HC instead of hiring guys who have never had Head coaching experience.

[Ozymandius]

What's the risk? We end up with someone almost as bad as Jauron?

 

OF COURSE the right move is to fire dumbass Dick. But whatever. 3-year extension -- no way Ralph eats that money.

 

I've already come to terms with the idea that Dick Jauron will be the last head coach the Buffalo Bills ever have.

[eliteqb]

How about making Bobby April be head coach and maybe try to get a better OC??

[Steve in NY]

I think they should hire someone already on the payroll...Bobby April.

[Heels20X6]

If they fire Jauron and don't turn to a retread, who do they replace him with? Do you really think they'll get anyone better from the coordinator ranks? Or are you hoping for the luck of the draw despite the uninterrupted history of Bills' failures with coordinator and position coaches going back to team's founding? Remember that Mularkey and Williams are only the last two in a very long line of abject failures in this regard -- Hank Bullough, Kay Stephenson, Jim Ringo, Harvey Johnson, and Joe Collier. In fact, the only Bills coaches in history who have been any good -- Saban, Knox, Levy, and Phillips -- had been head coaches before coming to the Bills. (I'm excluding Buster Ramsey, who had a losing record in any case.)

 

 

Ask yourself why other teams have had good luck hiring coordinators around the league. Miami, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. To me, the damning evidence of the lack of luck we've had hiring these new coaches is solely on our incompetent front office.

[Alphadawg7]

Ask yourself why other teams have had good luck hiring coordinators around the league. Miami, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. To me, the damning evidence of the lack of luck we've had hiring these new coaches is solely on our incompetent front office.

 

First off, take Pitt off your list. Tomlin keeps making coaching blunders (even cost them a win and almost another one against Dallas by repeating the mistake until Romo bailed him out). He wins because of talent on that team...that team is essentially the same team that won the Super Bowl just 3 years ago.

 

For every succesful coordinator hire there are many more flounders. Mularkey and Williams were going to be hired by someone those years we hired them as they were both hot coordinators. So who ever hired them was going to have a big miss at the HC position. The problem is, most people remember the successes but forget about the tons of misses.

[MRW]

If they fire Jauron and don't turn to a retread, who do they replace him with? Do you really think they'll get anyone better from the coordinator ranks? Or are you hoping for the luck of the draw despite the uninterrupted history of Bills' failures with coordinator and position coaches going back to team's founding? Remember that Mularkey and Williams are only the last two in a very long line of abject failures in this regard -- Hank Bullough, Kay Stephenson, Jim Ringo, Harvey Johnson, and Joe Collier. In fact, the only Bills coaches in history who have been any good -- Saban, Knox, Levy, and Phillips -- had been head coaches before coming to the Bills. (I'm excluding Buster Ramsey, who had a losing record in any case.)

What I keep coming back to is that Jauron has proven himself, to my eyes, as a failure beyond a shadow of a doubt. You're right that there is absolutely no guarantee of success by picking up someone new. But that's a crappy reason to settle for Dick "7-9" Jauron.

[lets_go_bills]

If they fire Jauron and don't turn to a retread, who do they replace him with? Do you really think they'll get anyone better from the coordinator ranks? Or are you hoping for the luck of the draw despite the uninterrupted history of Bills' failures with coordinator and position coaches going back to team's founding? Remember that Mularkey and Williams are only the last two in a very long line of abject failures in this regard -- Hank Bullough, Kay Stephenson, Jim Ringo, Harvey Johnson, and Joe Collier. In fact, the only Bills coaches in history who have been any good -- Saban, Knox, Levy, and Phillips -- had been head coaches before coming to the Bills. (I'm excluding Buster Ramsey, who had a losing record in any case.)

 

Good points. But the "next great HC" usually comes from being a co-ordinator. A couple candidates appear ready; Spagnuolo, McDaniels. Look at the job Tomlin is doing.

 

That said, an HC with past HC experience seems ideal. But then again look a Jauron...

 

It's a crapshoot really.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

If they fire Jauron and don't turn to a retread, who do they replace him with? Do you really think they'll get anyone better from the coordinator ranks? Or are you hoping for the luck of the draw despite the uninterrupted history of Bills' failures with coordinator and position coaches going back to team's founding? Remember that Mularkey and Williams are only the last two in a very long line of abject failures in this regard -- Hank Bullough, Kay Stephenson, Jim Ringo, Harvey Johnson, and Joe Collier. In fact, the only Bills coaches in history who have been any good -- Saban, Knox, Levy, and Phillips -- had been head coaches before coming to the Bills. (I'm excluding Buster Ramsey, who had a losing record in any case.)

 

Amen.

 

Why fire Jauron when a coordinator has a 50/50 chance of being bust?

 

That's why, if we do fire Jauron, I want a proven HC with a winning record. (e.g., Billick, Sherman, Schottenheimer, Fassel)

[1billsfan]

Do you really think they'll get anyone better from the coordinator ranks?

 

Yes. In fact, a monkey can do what Dick Jauron does on gameday. Stand there all day with a head set on, waiting to make a game losing decision at the end of the game.

 

When you have a coach as bad as Dick Jauron you simply fire him and move forward. You don't tremble in fear of the unknown. You keep trying to get it right. Keeping Dick Jauron on as head coach is basically throwing in the towel, raising the white flag.

 

Do you ever wonder why the Steelers picked a POSITIONAL coach from ANOTHER TEAM, instead of hiring Weisenhunt or Grimm???? I mean, according to Bills fans the smart thing to do would be to hire from within and promote a coordinator. But they didn't do that, they hired a young bright positional coach from the Bucs who had no previous experience as a defensive coordinator. So the reason why they hire Tomlin (which most Bills fans would have seen as radical and stupid) was because they are an extremely smart organization who know the qualities it takes to become a very successful head coach.

 

Fear is a very stupid reason to keep Dick Jauron around. I'd much rather have a young dynamic coach like Raheem Morris (another Tampa DB coach/head coach in waiting) leading the charge than another dreadful year under Jauron. Obviously he's not the only one, the Bills need to go after a coach in this league who is smart, competitive, cold hearted in his football decisions yet has an endless passion for the game. I really don't care if he's a positional coach or a coordinator. This game is not the rocket science that Jauron likes to make it out to be. We need to stop feeling so sorry for Dick and move on. Yes, it's sad it didn't work out but the guy has had way more opportunities to prove himself as a head coach than any other person ever in the NFL.

[dave mcbride]

Yes. In fact, a monkey can do what Dick Jauron does on gameday. Stand there all day with a head set on, waiting to make a game losing decision at the end of the game.

 

When you have a coach as bad as Dick Jauron you simply fire him and move forward. You don't tremble in fear of the unknown. You keep trying to get it right. Keeping Dick Jauron on as head coach is basically throwing in the towel, raising the white flag.

 

Do you ever wonder why the Steelers picked a POSITIONAL coach from ANOTHER TEAM, instead of hiring Weisenhunt or Grimm???? I mean, according to Bills fans the smart thing to do would be to hire from within and promote a coordinator. But they didn't do that, they hired a young bright positional coach from the Bucs who had no previous experience as a defensive coordinator. So the reason why they hire Tomlin (which most Bills fans would have seen as radical and stupid) was because they are an extremely smart organization who know the qualities it takes to become a very successful head coach.

 

Fear is a very stupid reason to keep Dick Jauron around. I'd much rather have a young dynamic coach like Raheem Morris (another Tampa DB coach/head coach in waiting) leading the charge than another dreadful year under Jauron. Obviously he's not the only one, the Bills need to go after a coach in this league who is smart, competitive, cold hearted in his football decisions yet has an endless passion for the game. I really don't care if he's a positional coach or a coordinator. This game is not the rocket science that Jauron likes to make it out to be. We need to stop feeling so sorry for Dick and move on. Yes, it's sad it didn't work out but the guy has had way more opportunities to prove himself as a head coach than any other person ever in the NFL.

You seem to be overlooking the key salient fact -- 48 years of failure when choosing a coordinator without head coaching experience.

 

The one thing the Bills have never tried is choosing a college head coach. There have been a lot of failures of late in that regard, so I can't see that happening. In fact, have there been any successes since Jimmy Johnson? (I'm not including Switzer). Kirk Ferentz is the one guy who is frequently mentioned as suited for the pro game. However, the same was said about Saban. Maybe Wannstedt? People would howl, but he had six winning and five losing seasons in the pros. Of course, it'll never happen.

[1billsfan]

You seem to be overlooking the key salient fact -- 48 years of failure when choosing a coordinator without head coaching experience.

 

The one thing the Bills have never tried is choosing a college head coach. There have been a lot of failures of late in that regard, so I can't see that happening. In fact, have there been any successes since Jimmy Johnson? (I'm not including Switzer). Kirk Ferentz is the one guy who is frequently mentioned as suited for the pro game. However, the same was said about Saban. Maybe Wannstedt? People would howl, but he had six winning and five losing seasons in the pros. Of course, it'll never happen.

 

I think head coaching in the NFL has become a young man's game. I'm talking 45 and younger here. I'd rather have a guy who's already in the league and is either a positional coach or coordinator. I'm not big at all with hiring another retread like Dick was. This team needs big "change" and retread doesn't say "change" enough to me. Just pick a guy who is football smart, we all know by now it shouldn't matter if he went to an Ivy League school.

[Mopreme]

Every time there is a post about brining in a new coach somebody mentions that raheem morris guy. Maybe its the same dude suggesting him? I don't know too much about the guy, he's probably a good position coach. But the guy hasn't even been a coordinator yet. Its like asking an analyst to take on a senior vice president role at a firm without being an associate. Maybe there have been some successes in the nfl in hiring positional coaches but I'm sure the failures outweigh them. My vote is either bobby april or bring in an offensive minded guy with head coaching experience. The offense is a damn disgrace and needs to be revamped!

[1billsfan]

Every time there is a post about brining in a new coach somebody mentions that raheem morris guy. Maybe its the same dude suggesting him? I don't know too much about the guy, he's probably a good position coach. But the guy hasn't even been a coordinator yet. Its like asking an analyst to take on a senior vice president role at a firm without being an associate. Maybe there have been some successes in the nfl in hiring positional coaches but I'm sure the failures outweigh them. My vote is either bobby april or bring in an offensive minded guy with head coaching experience. The offense is a damn disgrace and needs to be revamped!

 

 

It's a damn good thing the Steelers did not go with your small thinking after Bill Cowher left.

 

Bobby April? You're kidding, right?

 

 

The Bills need to hire the guy with the qualities that will make them a great head coach...football smart, ultra-competitive, decisive, passionate, creative, flexible, with someone with steel nerves. Hiring Bobby April would officially make the Buffalo Bills the most brain dead organization in the league surpassing the Detroit Lions.

[MRW]

Amen.

 

Why fire Jauron when a coordinator has a 50/50 chance of being bust?

Yep. Why take a chance when you've got the sure thing under contract already?

[Alphadawg7]

It's a damn good thing the Steelers did not go with your small thinking after Bill Cowher left.

 

Are you trying to say Tomlin is a great coach? Do you watch the games or just look at the record in the newspaper? He made bone head decisions that lost him a game this year, and then duplicated them and put his team in a position to lose again because of them against Dallas until Romo bailed him out with that INT he threw. He has done things like this several times last year and this year...

 

Truth about this guy is that his winning is hiding all his failures in his decisons. He is not winning based on coaching, he actually makes quite a bit of mistakes, but the IMMENSE talent on that team overcomes the mistakes. That is essentially the same team that won the Super Bowl with an even MORE experienced QB now, its no shock they still win.

 

One of my best friends is a die hard Steeler fan and he and a bunch of other Steeler fans usually watch the games at the bar we go to on Sundays to watch football. They are not sold on Tomlin and think his inexperience often hurts them. They love his fire and passion, but are not too high on him as a coach.

 

So, I say for the 10th time, why is this guy so highly regarded? Even announcers call him out in games for making dumb decisions...

[Alphadawg7]

So You're saying we should stick with a losing head coach in Jauron instead of attempting the risk to hire someone who might be just as bad as Jauron, but also might end up being a good hire?

 

I'm confused.

 

Not sure who this question is directed to, but I will answer it...

 

I dont think we should stick with DJ, but I strongly feel this team needs a PROVEN winner who KNOWS how to win games. We have a young team that doesnt know how to win. The last thing we need is another young guy who has to learn on the job just like our players.

 

We are young, but in this era of free agency the window of opportunity to win is about 3 years. We dont have time to develop a coach while trying to develop our team. If we had a veteran team that need a spark, then maybe, but we dont. We have a young team that just doesnt know how to win.

 

A coach needs to be able know how to motivate his team, adjust in game, game plan to beat the other team, make personnel decisions, evaluate talent, play to a players strengths, manage a game, manage the game clock, be able to make smart decisions at key points in the game, know when to be aggressive or conservative, etc, etc, etc.

 

Coordinators just dont have that kind of experience. Does it mean every one is going to fall flat on their face, not at all. But it does mean the odds are stacked against them. And with a young promising team we need someone to show them how to win, to be able to OUR COACH our opponent, and a coordinator with no real COACHING experience has a far less chance of being effective.

 

For every great HC transition from coordinator there are 10 total failures. You dont hear about them as they are quickly forgotten, so it seems coordinators have more success than they really do. Not to mention, their success as a coordinator often proves to be based on the personnel the HC on their existing teams built for them and not so much on their ability to lead a team.

[1billsfan]

Are you trying to say Tomlin is a great coach? Do you watch the games or just look at the record in the newspaper? He made bone head decisions that lost him a game this year, and then duplicated them and put his team in a position to lose again because of them against Dallas until Romo bailed him out with that INT he threw. He has done things like this several times last year and this year...

 

Truth about this guy is that his winning is hiding all his failures in his decisons. He is not winning based on coaching, he actually makes quite a bit of mistakes, but the IMMENSE talent on that team overcomes the mistakes. That is essentially the same team that won the Super Bowl with an even MORE experienced QB now, its no shock they still win.

 

One of my best friends is a die hard Steeler fan and he and a bunch of other Steeler fans usually watch the games at the bar we go to on Sundays to watch football. They are not sold on Tomlin and think his inexperience often hurts them. They love his fire and passion, but are not too high on him as a coach.

 

So, I say for the 10th time, why is this guy so highly regarded? Even announcers call him out in games for making dumb decisions...

 

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TomlMi0.htm

 

30-21 head coaching record. That's a .700 winning percentage. When they beat the Titans they'll have the AFCs best record and home field throughout the playoffs. Does that not register with you and your friends?

 

Your friends are either very spoiled or feel sorry for you and are just trying to make you feel good about having brainless Dick Jauron as your head coach.

 

Winning is hiding his failures? Oh please dude, the NFL is about wins and losses. Your friends deserve to be smacked in the head with a 2x4 for complaining about Mike Tomlin. Do me a favor and tell them to shut the hell up.

 

 

If Dick Jauron were given that Steeler team he'd still have a below .500 record. If you were given the choice between having our 2009 first round pick or hiring Mike Tomlin as our next head coach, you'd hire Mike Tomlin as our next head coach and if you wouldn't you'd be stupid.

[Alphadawg7]

If Dick Jauron were given that Steeler team he'd still have a below .500 record. If you were given the choice between having our 2009 first round pick or hiring Mike Tomlin as our next head coach, you'd hire Mike Tomlin as our next head coach and if you wouldn't you'd be stupid.

 

This might be dumbest post ever on here...first DJ won COACH OF THE YEAR with a team VASTLY inferior to the talent on the Steelers. So for you to say this you are implying that the Steelers dont have enough talent to win and are winning solely on coaching...By your logic you might as well say the 49ers never win a super bowl with Montanna, Rice and company if they have a weaker coach...just absurd to say winning is more heavily weighted on coaching than talent.

 

You are another one of those who looks in the newspaper or looks online to see what his record is and doesnt actually watch the games to see the coaching blunders he makes.

 

The fans I speak of are not spoiled, they see every play, they hear the announcers even question his decisions...heck, I watch most Steeler games because of them and I see the same thing.

 

So you can stare at your pretty little computer screen and the winning percentage all you want, but the football facts are simple...he is a young coach making coaching mistakes that have already cost him a win this year and then duplicated the mistake in the Cowboy game which almost lost him the game until Tony Romo helped him out with a awful pass for a INT to lose the game. And there are plenty of other bone head decisions he has made the last 2 seasons...

 

Does it mean he wont learn from those mistakes...not at all...it means he is NOT out coaching anyone and is succeeding because of talent on his team. If he was the coach of Buffalo this year I would bet every dollar I have that our record wouldnt be much different.

 

Pittsburgh is NOT outcoaching anyone...