Chef Jim Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 So anyone from the Beltway is off limits? I suppose he could just fill his cabinet with county supervisors and school superintendents from the sticks. From someone who's been ramming change down your throat for 18 months you'd expect that he'd have a nice group of people from outside Washington. But when you're hearing the same old names it's pretty !@#$ing stupid. Changing right into the same old shiit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Sure to ruffle the feathers here, but IMO an excellant and insightfull writeup of how Hillary became the 'Great Right Hope:' http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...15/834badnb.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 From someone who's been ramming change down your throat for 18 months you'd expect that he'd have a nice group of people from outside Washington. But when you're hearing the same old names it's pretty !@#$ing stupid. Changing right into the same old shiit. So lets hear your ideas for an outside the beltway Democrat that you think would be as effective a SoS as Hillary, Richardson, or Kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakesider Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Hill'ry couldn't find her ass with a road map! The only way she "knows" international leaders is due to her years of hosting White House dinners and attending state funerals. List for me the names of the arab leaders who will seriously negotiate with a white woman who lost the nomination, carrys the baggage of a cuckolding husband and gets off on self-aggrandisement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 So lets hear your ideas for an outside the beltway Democrat that you think would be as effective a SoS as Hillary, Richardson, or Kerry. That's not my area of expertise and why does it have to be a Democrat? That's the friggen problem. I want someone to do the job who would be the best at it and I'd prefer someone who showed no party affiliation. I want Washington to change the way they do business and I thought that's what Obama meant with all that change bullcrap. You thought is was just a change from the Bush/Cheney ways. Sounds like the O'man had difficulty expressing what he meant by the word change. You all bought a word. Once again, hook, line and !@#$ing sinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 From someone who's been ramming change down your throat for 18 months you'd expect that he'd have a nice group of people from outside Washington. But when you're hearing the same old names it's pretty !@#$ing stupid. Changing right into the same old shiit. If he brings in someone from Chicago you'd be freaking out that he's bringing "Chicago Politics" to DC. If he brings in someone from academia he'll be filling his cabinet with the "intellectual liberal elite". If he brings in someone from the business world he'll be "caving in to special interests". For the Ten millionth time- Change is about different policies than we have had during the last 8 years, not just new names and faces that you've never heard of before. That's not my area of expertise and why does it have to be a Democrat? That's the friggen problem. I want someone to do the job who would be the best at it and I'd prefer someone who showed no party affiliation. I want Washington to change the way they do business and I thought that's what Obama meant with all that change bullcrap. You thought is was just a change from the Bush/Cheney ways. Sounds like the O'man had difficulty expressing what he meant by the word change. You all bought a word. Once again, hook, line and !@#$ing sinker. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ Who makes these people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 If he brings in someone from Chicago you'd be freaking out that he's bringing "Chicago Politics" to DC. If he brings in someone from academia he'll be filling his cabinet with the "intellectual liberal elite". If he brings in someone from the business world he'll be "caving in to special interests". For the Ten millionth time- Change is about different policies than we have had during the last 8 years, not just new names and faces that you've never heard of before. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ Who makes these people? Hook, line and !@#$ing sinker. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said that while Obama's refusal to take money from lobbyists "isn't a perfect solution or symbol, it does reflect Obama's record of trying to change the way that Washington does business." He declined to elaborate. He declined to elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Hook, line and !@#$ing sinker. He declined to elaborate. Well...change isn't about not using people outside of DC. It's about letting Washington insiders exercise the same influence they always have...but the policies will be different! [/elliot] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 She will probably be pretty good at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 She will probably be pretty good at it Now there's something you and DC Tom actually agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 That's not my area of expertise and why does it have to be a Democrat? That's the friggen problem. I want someone to do the job who would be the best at it and I'd prefer someone who showed no party affiliation. I want Washington to change the way they do business and I thought that's what Obama meant with all that change bullcrap. You thought is was just a change from the Bush/Cheney ways. Sounds like the O'man had difficulty expressing what he meant by the word change. You all bought a word. Once again, hook, line and !@#$ing sinker. I qualified it as being a Democrat because I believe he will choose a Republican to be SoDefense after Gates leaves, probably Chuck Hagel, Colin Powell, or Richard Lugar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 She will probably be pretty good at it Based on her track record of actively !@#$ing it up as First Lady? Now there's something you and DC Tom actually agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Based on her track record of actively !@#$ing it up as First Lady? Actually yes. You live, you make mistakes and learn. I don't really think the Sec. of State needs to super women or anything. Its a tough job, yes, but she is smart and will do fine, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Change I told you Obama was a lying fraud ,the Communists part will be coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Change I told you Obama was a lying fraud ,the Communists part will be coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Change I told you Obama was a lying fraud ,the Communists part will be coming soon. You're confused, McCain was the Manchurian Candidate, but by losing they never got to activate his programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Change I told you Obama was a lying fraud ,the Communists part will be coming soon. So, that wouldn't be change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 So, that wouldn't be change? You are right as he never said what the change would be and all the sheep fell flor it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Actually yes. You live, you make mistakes and learn. I don't really think the Sec. of State needs to super women or anything. Its a tough job, yes, but she is smart and will do fine, IMO The absolutely most important prerequisite of learning from one's mistakes is to recognize them. Do you honestly think that either Clinton recognizes their policies of combatting terrorism by promoting women's rights in Muslim countries, or fighting weapons proliferation by giving nuclear programs to countries seeking weapons, or having literally NO Central Asian policy to speak of as actual mistakes??? Hillary, policy-wise, is cut from the same cloth as her husband; the one that combines the cluelessness of Bush the Younger with the gutless "don't make waves" cowardice of Carter, with a dose of non-partisan, All-American "We know what's best" arrogance. I would prefer you - hell, I'd prefer Wacka, or elegantidiotoffen - over Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I accept the position! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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