DanInUticaTampa Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Dude, there wouldn't be a tie breaker but you miss the point. Tie breakers come into play EVERY YEAR in the NFL. There is no mathematical way to avoid them. so how does losing help you in any tie breaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZerk Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 It sure is nice being 4-0 but this is the NFL. Parity is reality and no team is easy to beat. It is almost inevitable that there will be several ties for playoff positions. The Bills are in a really bad position on tie breakers already. They are 2-0 against NFC opponents and will probably beat San Fran when they play them. That puts them at 3-0. This means if they win next week, they will end up losing just about any tie-breaking scenario as the NFC games count less. They might do ok within the division but if they are tied for a wild card they are in big trouble. This sounds weird, but if you want the Bills to make the playoffs, you should root for them to lose next week. Wouldn't a 13-3 team with 9 AFC conference wins and 4 NFC wins beat a 12-4 team with 10 AFC conference wins and 2 NFC wins. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Your simple math omitted one crucial variable: if they win all their AFC games too, they won't have to worry about it, because they should own the "strength of victory" tiebreaker over Tennessee. To quote The Senator, "19 and 0, baby !!!" Well duh. But the 16-0 and 16-0 records proposed were simply hyperthetical. The odds against that are high. He actually meant if both teams were 13-3 or maybe 12-4. In these cases we lose out by beating the Cardinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What day/time is it in Sydney? Who knows but I left Sydney at 9:00am on a Sunday and after who knows how many hours in the air I landed in Los Angeles at 9:00am on a Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 vote crayonz in 08! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Wouldn't a 13-3 team with 9 AFC conference wins and 4 NFC wins beat a 12-4 team with 10 AFC conference wins and 2 NFC wins. I don't get it. You're forgetting about the tie-breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 so how does losing help you in any tie breaker? Losing to an NFC team helps because that means you will beat an AFC team and your AFC record will be improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZerk Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 You're forgetting about the tie-breaker. Thats kinda my point there wouldn't be a tie breaker. This twisted logic is playing not to lose. I woulod rather you play to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 What day/time is it in Sydney? It was just played on this Weekend(Saturday).....Hawthorn won And BTW....the AFL Grand Final is always played in Melbourne(the home of the game). It was a good game too.....close, hard fought, underdog tenaciously hitting hard & hanging in there till eventually wearing down the favourites and winning out in the 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZerk Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Losing to an NFC team helps because that means you will beat an AFC team and your AFC record will be improved. Ohh. Its clear now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I'm trying to understand why being 4-1 is even remotely better than 5-0. If we're talking about tie breakers, then every game is a must win so as to avoid tie breakers all together by being in first place. You are crazy crayon boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Losing to an NFC team helps because that means you will beat an AFC team and your AFC record will be improved. losing to an nfc team does not guarrenttee that you win against an afc team..... if you really think that then you are stupid. losing does nothing for you, except hurt you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 It was just played on this Weekend(Saturday).....Hawthorn won And BTW....the AFL Grand Final is always played in Melbourne(the home of the game). It was a good game too.....close, hard fought, underdog tenaciously hitting hard & hanging in there till eventually wearing down the favourites and winning out in the 4th quarter. Gottdamn language barriers are always getting in the way. Wie geht es? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinVA Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 It sure is nice being 4-0 but this is the NFL. Parity is reality and no team is easy to beat. It is almost inevitable that there will be several ties for playoff positions. The Bills are in a really bad position on tie breakers already. They are 2-0 against NFC opponents and will probably beat San Fran when they play them. That puts them at 3-0. This means if they win next week, they will end up losing just about any tie-breaking scenario as the NFC games count less. They might do ok within the division but if they are tied for a wild card they are in big trouble. This sounds weird, but if you want the Bills to make the playoffs, you should root for them to lose next week. I couldn't make it past the first page. Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 This is becoming one of my favorite message board threads of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 This is becoming one of my favorite message board threads of all time. From what I've seen, 'crayonz is good for at least 4 a year......IMO one of TSWs MVPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 losing to an nfc team does not guarrenttee that you win against an afc team..... if you really think that then you are stupid. losing does nothing for you, except hurt you. Dude! Please re-read the original post. It is a given that there will be a tie. So we might as well have a lot of AFC wins. I'm not saying the Bills should try to lose. I am saying that the real fans will root for them to lose to NFC teams. The tie braker rules may be stupid if they force fans to root aginst their own team, but they are the rules. I would rather have the Bills in the playoffs and root for them in week 18 or week 19 than be happy about a win in week 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Well duh. But the 16-0 and 16-0 records proposed were simply hyperthetical. The odds against that are high. He actually meant if both teams were 13-3 or maybe 12-4. In these cases we lose out by beating the Cardinals. Not true. What if the other team also goes 4-0 against the NFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Dude! Please re-read the original post. It is a given that there will be a tie. So we might as well have a lot of AFC wins. I'm not saying the Bills should try to lose. I am saying that the real fans will root for them to lose to NFC teams. The tie braker rules may be stupid if they force fans to root aginst their own team, but they are the rules. I would rather have the Bills in the playoffs and root for them in week 18 or week 19 than be happy about a win in week 5. After all, in a recent poll, week 5 was voted the "least liked" week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Not true. What if the other team also goes 4-0 against the NFC? Last time I checked Jeff Fisher wouldn't put his team in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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