sarmanuscg07 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Bills | Crowell most likely to replace Fletcher-Baker Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:31:41 -0700 Chris Brown, of BuffaloBills.com, reports Buffalo Bills LB Angelo Crowell is the odds-on favorite to replace LB London Fletcher-Baker (Redskins) in the middle of the Bills' defense. His teammates believe Crowell will certainly fill the leadership void left by Fletcher-Baker i guess the MLB spot is already pretty much solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 But the WLB is a huge question mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Ellison will most likely be the other starter with Spikes on the other side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarmanuscg07 Posted March 20, 2007 Author Share Posted March 20, 2007 Ellison will most likely be the other starter with Spikes on the other side thats what its looking like isn't it?? im thinking marv wont go without drafting two or so LB's in the draft for depth... one on day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Ellison will most likely be the other starter with Spikes on the other side If Spikes recovery has progressed enough, I think you are right. The Bills should know that soon. They'll still probably want to draft for depth and the near future. I wouldn't count Willis out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 If Spikes recovery has progressed enough, I think you are right. The Bills should know that soon. They'll still probably want to draft for depth and the near future. I wouldn't count Willis out yet. but we're talking depth vs neccesity and I think RB is a greater NEED...may be? could Fred Jackson be as important to hisunit as Crowell/Ellison/Youboty are to theirs? who really knows where the need is anymore!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I don't think the Bills draft anyone on day one that they don't expect to come in and play/start early in the season. If they are looking at a position for depth, it will probably come on day 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 If Spikes recovery has progressed enough, I think you are right. The Bills should know that soon. They'll still probably want to draft for depth and the near future. I wouldn't count Willis out yet. I am thinking more like Posluszny!!!! in round 2. (Okoye in round 1, Leonard in round 3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumping platelets Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Beason from Miami could be an option at WOLB. Posluszny could be an option at any LB spot Of course, neither is worthy of the #12 overall.....but Bills could move up into the late 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I am thinking more like Posluszny!!!! in round 2. (Okoye in round 1, Leonard in round 3) If your polish LB buddy lasts to the Bills 2nd round pick, it would be a great pick. Unfortunately for the Bills, that just is NOT going to happen. If they want Pos, they should trade down and pick him in the mid-to-late 1st, IMO. (OR package one of their thirds and second and make him the team's second 1st round pick.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 If your polish LB buddy lasts to the Bills 2nd round pick, it would be a great pick. Unfortunately for the Bills, that just is NOT going to happen. If they want Pos, they should trade down and pick him in the mid-to-late 1st, IMO. (OR package one of their thirds and second and make him the team's second 1st round pick.) Ok then, it's settled... Round 1a - Okoye Round 1b - Posluszny!!!! Round 3 -- Leonard 19 and 0 baby!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombstone56 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 the problem with your theory of poz as late 1 is updated projections have him ahead of timmons going 14 ,after patrick willis and poszluny ,the lbs prospects are filled with holes, theres likely to be some good ones,, bradley,okum,timmons,everett ,beason? but the nearest thing to a garunteed starter are those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 the problem with your theory of poz as late 1 is updated projections have him ahead of timmons going 14 ,after patrick willis and poszluny ,the lbs prospects are filled with holes, theres likely to be some good ones,, bradley,okum,timmons,everett ,beason? but the nearest thing to a garunteed starter are those two. I also think there is a chance of Poz going fairly early. But, I'd been hearing rumors of his projected draft position sliding, as of late. I think we can leave The Senator with some hope of a mid-late 1st round possibility, but disabuse him of his 2nd round dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Bills | Crowell most likely to replace Fletcher-BakerMon, 19 Mar 2007 14:31:41 -0700 Chris Brown, of BuffaloBills.com, reports Buffalo Bills LB Angelo Crowell is the odds-on favorite to replace LB London Fletcher-Baker (Redskins) in the middle of the Bills' defense. His teammates believe Crowell will certainly fill the leadership void left by Fletcher-Baker i guess the MLB spot is already pretty much solved. It'll be interesting to see who comes off the board 1st for us this draft. It's been posted here that we don't need shutdown type corners (bye-bye NC...enter Youboty, Greer, Thomas). This post suggests our MLB is on the roster already in AC. We've added 3 OL thru FA, you have to believe this position is not a high priority if a priority at all. Don't need a QB. By all accounts don't need a WR. You're set at safety. We hear Royal is satisfactory, though I'd like to see a more dynamic threat. Schobel is anchored on one side with a platoon of Kelsay/Denney. There are #'s at the DT position, though I'd contend we could be more stout. RB appears to be the biggest need, no? I'm just not thrilled with selecting one at #12. I would take one if there was something else in it for us, that being another pick thru a trade down. DT and LB would be the next area of concern. I'd like to get inside the heads of our decision makers and see what THEY perceive to be our area(s) of greatest need and just how they plan on addressing them. Will the first couple of picks represent what they perceive to be greatest need or are they selecting best available? I can't wait to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 who really knows where the need is anymore!! Exactly. We all have our ideas as to weakness and strength on this roster, but Bills brass, what's their perception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I don't think the Bills draft anyone on day one that they don't expect to come in and play/start early in the season. If they are looking at a position for depth, it will probably come on day 2 Good observation. Whatever the position, they're looking for immediate impact, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I'd like to get inside the heads of our decision makers and see what THEY perceive to be our area(s) of greatest need and just how they plan on addressing them. Will the first couple of picks represent what they perceive to be greatest need or are they selecting best available? I can't wait to find out. I'm a firm believer that pretty much all good NFL GMs pick the best available value player at a need position for the team. That is, there are going to be some positions they aren't even considering, so an available player at that position is NOT the best available as he doesn't add value to the team. Also, you have to consider who else may be available later in the draft. For example, let's say there is one great DT and the rest are not of the quality the team wants/can live with. Now, let's say there is one equally great RB, but there are two more really good RBs and a few more who may be quite good, as well who will available later in the draft. In this case the DT's value might be much higher than the RB to a team, even though their "objective quality" is equal. When judging "best available", it just HAS TO be analyzed through the subjective filter of the team's needs and the draft's strengths and weaknesses. My example and explanation are very simplified, I know. It's more complex than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I can't wait to find out. I can't wait to see the board crash when Marv picks someone completely unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I am thinking more like Posluszny!!!! in round 2. (Okoye in round 1, Leonard in round 3) Okoye probably will go in the top 10 but I hope he slips to 12. Posluszny more likely will go in the mid to late first round. I could see him being a Levy pick. He talks a lot about moving down in the 87' draft and picking Shane Conlan. Poz has some of the same qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I'm a firm believer that pretty much all good NFL GMs pick the best available value player at a need position for the team. That is, there are going to be some positions they aren't even considering, so an available player at that position is NOT the best available as he doesn't add value to the team. Also, you have to consider who else may be available later in the draft. For example, let's say there is one great DT and the rest are not of the quality the team wants/can live with. Now, let's say there is one equally great RB, but there are two more really good RBs and a few more who may be quite good, as well who will available later in the draft. In this case the DT's value might be much higher than the RB to a team, even though their "objective quality" is equal. When judging "best available", it just HAS TO be analyzed through the subjective filter of the team's needs and the draft's strengths and weaknesses. My example and explanation are very simplified, I know. It's more complex than that. Well put. I would agree that a "successful" draft strategy would run, generally speaking, on this premise of "best available". Having said that, RB though a need, is not what we're targeting in round 1. Or at least not with our first selection. I think it's very real ML might just do another trade up into the 1st round much like last year and perhaps scoop up Lynch. Should Peterson fall to us, does he represent the best available VALUE to the Bills? Take him or trade out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 If your polish LB buddy lasts to the Bills 2nd round pick, it would be a great pick. Unfortunately for the Bills, that just is NOT going to happen. If they want Pos, they should trade down and pick him in the mid-to-late 1st, IMO. (OR package one of their thirds and second and make him the team's second 1st round pick.) Trade downs are not as easy as many seem to think they are. There has to be no one you are interested in available at your original spot for you to consider moving down. There has to be someone there a team drafting later in the round really wants and who that team is convinced won't be there when their original pick is up. The team moving down has to undergo a similar analysis regarding whoever it is they really want in the round, albeit with a later pick. I think that too often the assumption around here is that any trade down we dream up is there for the taking if only our "senile" GM would pull the trigger. That just isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Trade downs are not as easy as many seem to think they are. There has to be no one you are interested in available at your original spot for you to consider moving down. There has to be someone there a team drafting later in the round really wants and who that team is convinced won't be there when their original pick is up. The team moving down has to undergo a similar analysis regarding whoever it is they really want in the round, albeit with a later pick. I think that too often the assumption around here is that any trade down we dream up is there for the taking if only our "senile" GM would pull the trigger. That just isn't the case. In every trade, it takes (at least) two willing parties. You are right, a lot of people seem to forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jri111 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Okoye probably will go in the top 10 but I hope he slips to 12. Posluszny more likely will go in the mid to late first round. I could see him being a Levy pick. He talks a lot about moving down in the 87' draft and picking Shane Conlan. Poz has some of the same qualities. Exactly! I love puz, I want puz. But I really feel if the Bills want him, they have to take him at 12. Though that may seem high to some people, Levy made it clear last year, he'll take the guy he wants when he picks, no matter where that is. I have this suspicion that Puz is the perfect Levy guy. Great player, good student, humble, and he's played his best in 2005 as the WLB in the college equivilant to the cover 2 defense at Penn State. I would love nothing more then to get Okoye at 12 and then trade up to the late first to get Puz. But that's taking a big chance that he won't be there. A lot of mocks have him going as high as 13 to St. Louis. So I think if he's the highest rated player on Levy's board in a need position when he picks, don't be surprise to see puz picked at 12. By the way, Shane Conlon, another great LB from Linebacker U! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Exactly! I love puz, I want puz. Good for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jri111 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Good for you! ??????????????? what does that do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 ??????????????? what does that do? What does what do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Exactly! I love puz, I want puz. But I really feel if the Bills want him, they have to take him at 12. Though that may seem high to some people, Levy made it clear last year, he'll take the guy he wants when he picks, no matter where that is. I have this suspicion that Puz is the perfect Levy guy. Great player, good student, humble, and he's played his best in 2005 as the WLB in the college equivilant to the cover 2 defense at Penn State. I would love nothing more then to get Okoye at 12 and then trade up to the late first to get Puz. But that's taking a big chance that he won't be there. A lot of mocks have him going as high as 13 to St. Louis. So I think if he's the highest rated player on Levy's board in a need position when he picks, don't be surprise to see puz picked at 12. By the way, Shane Conlon, another great LB from Linebacker U! It's also possible (given other teams needs, etc) that he'll pick Poz at 12 and trade to get Okoye a little later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 This report is a smoke-screen. Do you really think that anyone inside the organization is gonna say or hold a press conference re: who the Bills are actually looking to draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 If Okoye or Peterson is still there at 12, we have to take one of them. If they are both gone my best guess is that we trade down a few spots and take some combination of running back and linebacker with our two first round picks. (obviously, this presupposes that we take our extra pick from trading down from 12 and get back into the end of the first round) How about Marshawn Lynch and Pozlusny? That is two starters right there men. We put Crowell in the middle, and than let Ellison, Spikes, and Pozlusny fight it out as to who starts. I think we may even bring in another linebacker later on to put into the mix as well. Remember that Ellison is a sixth round pick who was able to play. I believe the Bills feel that anyone they draft on defense has a chance to really contribute. No projects will be drafted on the defensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 When judging "best available", it just HAS TO be analyzed through the subjective filter of the team's needs and the draft's strengths and weaknesses. My example and explanation are very simplified, I know. It's more complex than that. Agreed...And lets not forget it's the BPA at a Need Position based on the Bills evaluation of said Prospect...For example, I don't think there is any question the Bills were MUCH higher on Donte Whitner than some other Teams last year...So it's tough to determine exactly who that BPA at a Need Position is because it's tough to know who Marv and Co. are truly enamoured with... My guess is the Bills would LOVE to see Adrian Peterson fall to #12...After that I think they are hoping for Okoye and they will settle for Lynch...Obviously I have no real idea though...I guess we'll see soon enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I can't wait to see the board crash when Marv picks someone completely unexpected. haha TBD traditionalist are going to crap themselves...they think there's been a nauseating influx of new posters during the off-season, just wait till Marv K's us all with an 0-2 screw ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike formerly from Florida Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 they think there's been a nauseating influx of new posters during the off-season I didn't know this board was an exclusive club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarmanuscg07 Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 I didn't know this board was an exclusive club! ooh yea its like the VFW except instead of having to go through a foreign war we have to be bills fans and watch our team lose 4 consecutive superbowls and yadda yadda.. although vfw's are cooler because you get cheap booze and listen to old men share war stories with the same people every friday night... hey poineer members , do we get at least a book of coupons or a complimentary pack of labatts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Bills SB in 08! jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Bills SB in 08! Now yer talkin'!!! See you February 3rd in Phoenix...oh yeah...you know it... 19 and 0 baby!!! GO BILLLSSSS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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