The Jokeman Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Nice work Donte. The media are all backtracking. "We are not saying that it was a reach, just that the Bills coulod have traded back and still been able to pick him...blah, blah, blah." 789330[/snapback] Just because he won rookie of the month it doesn't mean he still wasn't a reach as again most criticised the choice of Whitner because of value. As let's be honest, had the Bills been able to trade down and get Whitner and acquire another pick am sure we'd all be even more satisfied with his selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Don't say that on this thread. That's a no-no. Just because he won rookie of the month it doesn't mean he still wasn't a reach as again most criticised the choice of Whitner because of value. 789439[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Don't say that on this thread. That's a no-no. 789440[/snapback] If anyone can prove that the Bills could have traded and still got Whitner, then their argument would be well founded and worth making. Otherwise, it's worth nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 If anyone can prove that the Bills could have traded and still got Whitner, then their argument would be well founded and worth making. Otherwise, it's worth nothing. 789448[/snapback] The point is that the original post is a non sequitar. If Kyle Williams won the award - does that mean he should have been chosen with the 8th pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 The point is that the original post is a non sequitar. If Kyle Williams won the award - does that mean he should have been chosen with the 8th pick? 789454[/snapback] Yes, but only if Haloti Ngata and Mike Nugent weren't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 The point is that the original post is a non sequitar. If Kyle Williams won the award - does that mean he should have been chosen with the 8th pick? 789454[/snapback] The point is that the original argument of "could have had Whitner AND traded down," is just a guess. Nobody knows. That point stands with or without rookie of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 If anyone can prove that the Bills could have traded and still got Whitner, then their argument would be well founded and worth making. Otherwise, it's worth nothing. 789448[/snapback] You could literally use that defense against ANY pick they made at the 8 spot. Let's say that drafted Kyle Williams there, you could still say, "PROVE they could have gotten him in a later round!" Of course the person couldn't prove it, it's impossible to prove. The Bills did what they thought was right and hopefully it works out. That being said just about all of the info that the media and their "inside sources" have gotten from other teams say that he would have been available later. The general pre-draft grades say he would have been available later. There are no guarantees in life, perhaps he wouldn't have been available but sometimes you have to take all the info you have and roll the dice instead of locking onto the one player you absolutely have to have. I think Whitner will be a very good player for the Bills, he seems to be a bright young guy with loads of talent that hasn't had many issues transitioning to the NFL. I do, however, believe, based on what I've read/heard that Whitner could have been had in the mid first round. It's not fact, it's just what I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Looking for the Whitner thread when he was drafted. Always fun to see what everyones reaction was.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Yes, but only if Haloti Ngata and Mike Nugent weren't available. 789468[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garranimal Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 It's not fact, it's just what I believe 789472[/snapback] i believe Elvis served me Loch Ness Monster soup this morning in a cafe aboard a UFO while circling the PLANET Pluto, but that is just what i believe. Sorry, i couldn't let that one go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 The draft day thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 The general pre-draft grades say he would have been available later. 789472[/snapback] Doesn't this one sentence blow that whole argument out of the water? Everybody thought he would be available until at least the 15 pick...but Buffalo picked him! Any team that was planning on taking Whitner had to reevalutate what they wanted because he went earlier than everyone said he would. Who is to say there weren't 3 or 4 other teams in the middle who would have taken him "too early"? Other than the teams who said they didn't really want him anyway AFTER the draft. Buffalo could have gambled and taken someone else if Whitner were gone, but there just wasn't any point. They got who they wanted and he is doing a pretty decent job so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 God, i look at that thread, and must admit marv made a bold move and that i was wrong. Good job grampa simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 The point is that the original post is a non sequitar. If Kyle Williams won the award - does that mean he should have been chosen with the 8th pick? 789454[/snapback] Obviously! I mean, c'mon SDS, think of how much WORSE the 49ers would have been if they would "reached" for joe montana in the 2nd or 1st round, instead of the third. The important thing to the 49ers back then was not that they got a hall of fame QB, but that they got "value" with the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 That is the last time I question Marv's draft pick(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Another link. Whitner as well as the San Diego tackle Mc Neill, named rookies of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 ALL HAIL! Donte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACor58 Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share Posted September 28, 2006 Just because he won rookie of the month it doesn't mean he still wasn't a reach as again most criticised the choice of Whitner because of value. As let's be honest, had the Bills been able to trade down and get Whitner and acquire another pick am sure we'd all be even more satisfied with his selection. 789439[/snapback] We can argue until we are blue in the face about this, especially about trading up and down for value. The fact is that most "experts" basically said that Whitner was not worthy of being picked in the #8 spot. It doesn't change the fact that most "experts" questioned Marv Levy's judgement and ability for picking him that high, with many calling him senile. Whitner has more than proven, in his short career, that he was worthy of being picked in the #8 spot, and proving most of the "experts" wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Looking for the Whitner thread when he was drafted. Always fun to see what everyones reaction was.. 789475[/snapback] Mass hysteria, if I recall correctly. Some of the rants provided great amusement to those of us at the JK Club party that day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Reading that thread was friggin hilarious!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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