SACTOBILLSFAN Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I remember a game later in his career, against the Falcons I think in OP, Jimbo misfired and was picked. Tackled the guy at the sideline and broke the DB's leg. He later said that he was mad at his mistake and was trying to make up for it by making sure it didn't go back for 7. That, ladies and gents, is a football player. Make a mistake, all right, everyone does it; get back in the play and try to do better next time. I see a lot of the same level of spirit in JP. And remember that it was not JP who took himself out last year, it was Meathead who had unrealistic expectations for an essential rookie starter. 747326[/snapback] I remember that game well adn i remember it being a windy day and the CBs broken leg was kind of blowing in the wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I wasn't making excuses for JP. Actually, it doesn't matter to me who starts at QB, so long as that QB gives the team the best chance to win. Tom Brady has proven once and for all that just because a guy is picked in the first round doesn't mean he's automatically a starter. You're right in that JP is going to make mistakes like that, every young QB does, especially when they're under pressure. If they're going to go with him as the starter, then it's a good thing it happened now when the game doesn't count. Now, let's hope he learned from it and can integrate the lesson into his game. Doesn't matter if Reed ran the "right" route. The DB was there and read it. The ball shouldn't have been thrown. At best, maybe Reed could have been there to play DB and stop the INT. Besides, WR's run the wrong routes sometimes, especially hot reads on blitzes. That is no excuse for not seeing a DB who was standing right where that ball was going. It looked to me like they blitzed on that side and JP saw the blitzer coming in and thought he had a guy wide open in the spot vacated by the blitzer so he threw it out there quick. The DB saw that reaction coming and jumped the route. No big deal. He is still young, he is going to get outfoxed like that once in awhile. There doesn't seem to be much objectivity when it comes to JP. Every mistake he makes triggers a mad search for an excuse that leaves him blameless. I don't get it, we can love JP and look forward to his future and at the same time, still recognize when he screws up without being a "JP hater". 747677[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I've seen the replay over and over on my DVR with Reed coming right at the camera. He gets to the break point in the route and has a look on his face like "I don't know where to go". Then he makes a half-effort break to the outside. JP threw the inside slant. It still would have been a bad pass resulting in either no gain or a breakup, but certainly not an INT for a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 There doesn't seem to be much objectivity when it comes to JP. Every mistake he makes triggers a mad search for an excuse that leaves him blameless. 747677[/snapback] Deja vu..."It's not Drew's fault." I don't get it, we can love JP and look forward to his future and at the same time, still recognize when he screws up without being a "JP hater". 747677[/snapback] GREAT point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I've seen the replay over and over on my DVR with Reed coming right at the camera. He gets to the break point in the route and has a look on his face like "I don't know where to go". Then he makes a half-effort break to the outside. JP threw the inside slant. It still would have been a bad pass resulting in either no gain or a breakup, but certainly not an INT for a TD. 747774[/snapback] IF he was supposed to be going inside. We don't know that. Surely, Reed was not supposed to do what he did. There is no play call other than the fumblerooskie to run out and stop and look confused. It seems that there is little doubt they both screwed up but also seems little doubt that it didn't matter what Reed did, JP blew the read and threw an ill-advised pass. The best thing about Jauron to me is his clarity on what he is thinking, up to a point. You can tell from his press conference he really doesn't blame Losman for that play, because the team didn't prepare him for that, even though it was Losman's fault. But he does clearly blame JP on the fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 IF he was supposed to be going inside. We don't know that. Surely, Reed was not supposed to do what he did. There is no play call other than the fumblerooskie to run out and stop and look confused. It seems that there is little doubt they both screwed up but also seems little doubt that it didn't matter what Reed did, JP blew the read and threw an ill-advised pass. The best thing about Jauron to me is his clarity on what he is thinking, up to a point. You can tell from his press conference he really doesn't blame Losman for that play, because the team didn't prepare him for that, even though it was Losman's fault. But he does clearly blame JP on the fumbles. 747777[/snapback] Yep. I agree with just about all of that. As others have mentioned, it was also nice that JP took the blame during the interview afterward. That's an important step in his leadership development. Looking at the fumbles, I'm not gonna worry too much about the second one. The Pocket really collapsed from all angles and he was hit by his own guy, and he didn't even have time to set up properly. The first fumble was definitely all on JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Doesn't matter if Reed ran the "right" route. The DB was there and read it. The ball shouldn't have been thrown. At best, maybe Reed could have been there to play DB and stop the INT. Besides, WR's run the wrong routes sometimes, especially hot reads on blitzes. That is no excuse for not seeing a DB who was standing right where that ball was going. It looked to me like they blitzed on that side and JP saw the blitzer coming in and thought he had a guy wide open in the spot vacated by the blitzer so he threw it out there quick. The DB saw that reaction coming and jumped the route. No big deal. He is still young, he is going to get outfoxed like that once in awhile. There doesn't seem to be much objectivity when it comes to JP. Every mistake he makes triggers a mad search for an excuse that leaves him blameless. I don't get it, we can love JP and look forward to his future and at the same time, still recognize when he screws up without being a "JP hater". 747677[/snapback] I agree completely with everything you said - especially the last part. I want JP to succeed as much as anyone - but the number and fervor of JP apologists is reaching levels not seen since the CWACs when Coy Wire was in his 'prime' You can like a player and root for them and still not have to be completely blind to (or unwilling to see) the mistakes that player makes or problems that he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 If Marshall Faulk had not said JR was at fault on the INT, I wouldn't be persisting. But the guy KNOWS Fairchild's system and the responsibilities of the WR's, and he is an impartial observer, meaning he has no one to protect and thus no reason to lie. In any case, it was no worse than what I've seen other, more experience, and good QB do from time to time. Hey that's what Warner did to basically lose the game for the Rams in the first Pats SB win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRupp Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 I saw Losman stare at Reed and throw it to him and a DB jump in front and pick off the pass. He looked right at him before he threw it. I don't get all this bad route crap. It was just a bad throw plain and simple - and JP and Jauron both know it and said as much. No bullets being taken, no swords being fell on - just an honest response to a bad pass. 747634[/snapback] If anything JP was trying to dodge taking responsbility. I get the feeling he does not believe he was at fault the way he kept answering questions with a smirk and "miscommunication". He said that three times. He is basically he a pretty defensive guy and not very humble. Some compared him to Kelly the way he comes back from a mistake. Maybe. But, Kelly almost always took responsibility for his mistakes. You remember?? "I stuck" That was a bad pass and bad decision on my part. J.P. says his mistakes were correctable. poor decisions correctable or a good pocket presence is correctable. I think he can and will improve there I just don't think either or those will be good attributes for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 If anything JP was trying to dodge taking responsbility. I get the feeling he does not believe he was at fault the way he kept answering questions with a smirk and "miscommunication". He said that three times. He is basically he a pretty defensive guy and not very humble. Some compared him to Kelly the way he comes back from a mistake. Maybe. But, Kelly almost always took responsibility for his mistakes. You remember?? "I stuck" That was a bad pass and bad decision on my part. J.P. says his mistakes were correctable. poor decisions correctable or a good pocket presence is correctable. I think he can and will improve there I just don't think either or those will be good attributes for him. Well if it WASN'T his fault, you think he should come out and say it was JR's fault? And from reports from training camp, JP almost always got down on himself for a mistake and usually had a bad series after it, so the fact that he had a good one after this mistake leads me to believe (along with Faulk's analysis) that JP was NOT at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 If anything JP was trying to dodge taking responsbility. I get the feeling he does not believe he was at fault the way he kept answering questions with a smirk and "miscommunication". He said that three times. He is basically he a pretty defensive guy and not very humble. Some compared him to Kelly the way he comes back from a mistake. Maybe. But, Kelly almost always took responsibility for his mistakes. You remember?? "I stuck" That was a bad pass and bad decision on my part. J.P. says his mistakes were correctable. poor decisions correctable or a good pocket presence is correctable. I think he can and will improve there I just don't think either or those will be good attributes for him. 748050[/snapback] I recall a few episodes like Jim wildly shouting at Andre Reed on the sidelines in a MNF game at Pitt back in the day.... Maybe he said "miscommunication" b/c that's what it was. How is that dodging responsibility? Like the line in "The Great Gatsby" it takes two bad drivers to make an accident.... It takes both people not communicating well to make a bad play. I also trust that JP and Reed have put this thing in the rearview mirror while some seem determined to make one play in the preseason a Big Thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRupp Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Well if it WASN'T his fault, you think he should come out and say it was JR's fault? And from reports from training camp, JP almost always got down on himself for a mistake and usually had a bad series after it, so the fact that he had a good one after this mistake leads me to believe (along with Faulk's analysis) that JP was NOT at fault. 748053[/snapback] It looked like Reed messed up by why would coach DJ and JP both say otherwise? It would be stupid for JP to say ' he did exactly what he was coached to do" if it was not true. Also, I assume that Reed saw somethg different than JP but even DJ say it Reed's. Even so Reed did not like committed or ready to receive a ball. ugly play. i actually am more worried about his fumbles and total unwillingness to throw a ball away.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 ...what the heck is wrong with people in buffalo. I just saw a good number of highlights on the NFL network. The pick for TD is totally on Reed...what kind of route involves sort of running and stuttering around? Even the announcers said that reed needs to run a route and make a decision. But good god, looking at the other throws they showed of Losman's....damn, that kid can sling the football....and be extremely accurate. What are you people looking for.....he is going to make mistakes....Jim used to throw at least a dumb pick a game..or so it seemed....so what....he had the skills and clearly...so does JP. Support our team, stop the Craig Nall nonsense and get on board. I don't hear anyone suggesting we should bench Willis for his gaff? Why is that? it resulted in a touchdown....if he does that every game....as you are assuming JP will do, should he get the hook? They are both number 1 picks....they deserve to be given the chances...uh chances....to succeed. You guys are amazing......watch the plays....watch it like it is a practice game.....don't look at this like it is exemplary of what a regular game would look like. 747313[/snapback] Jim Kelly was a leader. Is JP? That hasn't happened yet. Most of people on this board are exactly right. He has not been getting the job done. This is his year. He knows he has to make the most of his performances. If he doesn't then he won't our quarterback of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 It looked like Reed messed up by why would coach DJ and JP both say otherwise? It would be stupid for JP to say ' he did exactly what he was coached to do" if it was not true. Also, I assume that Reed saw somethg different than JP but even DJ say it Reed's. Even so Reed did not like committed or ready to receive a ball. ugly play. I can think of several reasons why DJ and JP would lie. For the life of me however, I cannot think of a single reason why Faulk would lie. I guess he could like JP more than JR but that seems unlikely. i actually am more worried about his fumbles and total unwillingness to throw a ball away.... I'm not overly worried about the fumbles. It will bear watching over the course of the season, though. As for unwillingness to throw a ball away, I don't see that as an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 There doesn't seem to be much objectivity when it comes to JP. Every mistake he makes triggers a mad search for an excuse that leaves him blameless. I don't get it, we can love JP and look forward to his future and at the same time, still recognize when he screws up without being a "JP hater". 747677[/snapback] I've been reading most of the posts & it seems to me that the only mistake people are making 'possible' excuse for is the INT. His fumbles have not been defended....he held onto the ball for too long & got sacked. I have not seen anyone blame the line....or say it wasn't a fumble....or anything like that. Have I missed pertinent posts that you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 I remember that game well adn i remember it being a windy day and the CBs broken leg was kind of blowing in the wind 747737[/snapback] I remember it too. The image of that guy sprinting down the sideline and then instinctively trying to make another stride with his floppy broken leg is burned in my memory forever. Of course they showed the replay about 15 times and I watched it cringing every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 In any case, it was no worse than what I've seen other, more experience, and good QB do from time to time. 748047[/snapback] Yes, many have done and will continue to do so from time to time....it was a wide-open lane to the wr. Perhaps JP's eyes bulged and he made the decision to launch the ball in a half a second - he took the chance. I didn't pay any attention to what the wr did before the pass - didn't even see or care that it was Reed. I saw the db streak in and get the ball. The db also took the chance - if it was complete, Reed gets good yardage. I'd guess that JP, Reed, and Cincy db Ratliff heard some coach's words about playing safe and sound. And with a wink after the lecture, because a certain amount of chance-taking pays dividends. For me, that int is a non-issue. Aggressive play on both sides of the ball. Advantage defense this time, advantage offense the next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 And with a wink after the lecture, because a certain amount of chance-taking pays dividends. 748256[/snapback] Check your facts, sir. Didn't you get the memo Kelly Holcomb sent around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Check your facts, sir. Didn't you get the memo Kelly Holcomb sent around? 748271[/snapback] The short version, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 The short version, yes. 748274[/snapback] Right. He decided to only bring it to the three closest desks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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