Like A Mofo Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? 483580[/snapback] C,mon now after all the great offensive and defensive lineman he has brought to this club and if you want to discount him there his record in Buffalo alone proves his worth. I can't believe some fans just don't see all the positives he's brought. Some of you guys are just crybaby's. Be real fans grow up and accept mediocrity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 C,mon now after all the great offensive and defensive lineman he has brought to this club and if you want to discount him there his record in Buffalo alone proves his worth. I can't believe some fans just don't see all the positives he's brought. Some of you guys are just crybaby's. Be real fans grow up and accept mediocrity! 483626[/snapback] Its sad. Really sad. Whats next, bottom out, draft leinart, have Teflon Tom promise us the world again in 2-3 years to extend his stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. 483580[/snapback] That's really the bottom line. The team has been mentally soft, incapable of overcoming the slightest adversity on the road since about 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 That's really the bottom line. The team has been mentally soft, incapable of overcoming the slightest adversity on the road since about 1999. 483697[/snapback] Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffal0 Bill5 Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 The team has been mentally soft 483697[/snapback] Bullseye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 dudes... you're crusading again. Mr. Donahoe is laizez faire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Bullseye 483716[/snapback] And soft on both lines, for the most part Guess TD missed that part of GM 101: How to get out of mediocrity Step 1: Build a strong offensive line and defensive line. Guess TD skipped that class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 I agree. ! TD you have had your chance ! you suck dead goats ! Bye Bye now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 You know I have been a supporter of the coaches and GM for a while. I resisted the knee-jerk reactions after bad losses. But this Oakland games leaves me speechless. This Buffalo Bills team is a punching bag. Soft on defense, weak O-line, questionable play-calling, indecisive at QB, this team is no better than the one Tom Donahoe took over in 2000. JP Losman may be a great QB, Willis McGahee may be a great RB, but the surrounding cast of players is horrible. OC Tom Clements play-calling has been bizarre. Jerry Grey's schemes have been ineffective, and there has been no adjustment. I hate to say it, but we may have to blow this team up and start over again. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 You know I have been a supporter of the coaches and GM for a while. I resisted the knee-jerk reactions after bad losses. But this Oakland games leaves me speechless. This Buffalo Bills team is a punching bag. Soft on defense, weak O-line, questionable play-calling, indecisive at QB, this team is no better than the one Tom Donahoe took over in 2000. JP Losman may be a great QB, Willis McGahee may be a great RB, but the surrounding cast of players is horrible. OC Tom Clements play-calling has been bizarre. Jerry Grey's schemes have been ineffective, and there has been no adjustment. I hate to say it, but we may have to blow this team up and start over again. PTR 483760[/snapback] Not sure a full blow up is needed but many changes must happen. TD gone Jp back in as starter Tom Clements gone maybe wyche of MM as OC Denny Anderson on bench, Peters moved to Tackle, Gandy at Guard, Duke at Center. resign Terrence McGee, do not pay the price for nate Sam, Eric, Vincent, Teague - see ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted October 24, 2005 Author Share Posted October 24, 2005 Im with you PTR!! TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonbbfan Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 As I said last week, TD tries to build the team on the cheap. He trades down in the draft for mediocre players instead of combining choices to move up for IMPACT players. Drafting lots of 2nd day players gets you an average team. He has hit on some players ( McGee, Schoebel) but more times than others they miss or leave when they've learned the trade in Buffalo. They must trade up with this years choices and get two high impact players, first on Defense then Offense. With money saved from multiple picks go after 2-3 free agent impact players. Let the soft and old go and get JP time this year. I am sick of watching this soft and inadequate team get humiliated week after week. With impact players our D can get off the field. You get demoralized when they run it down your throat and your O can't get on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 It took some longer than others but welcome to reality. How long do you give a GM a chance to turn it around. He had his oppurtunity and has failed so I hope Ralph decides to move on but I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 What has Donahoe done to deserve this kind treatment? He didn't play one down today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayg Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Not sure a full blow up is needed but many changes must happen. TD gone Jp back in as starter Tom Clements gone maybe wyche of MM as OC Denny Anderson on bench, Peters moved to Tackle, Gandy at Guard, Duke at Center. resign Terrence McGee, do not pay the price for nate Sam, Eric, Vincent, Teague - see ya 483783[/snapback] Nate is waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy overated. If anyone gives him big money it will be friggin hilarious. This whole defense is/was way overated. Their numbers from last year were crap. When it really matters they cannot perform. I reallly expected this team to beat Oakland. They fooled me again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 As I said last week, TD tries to build the team on the cheap. He trades down in the draft for mediocre players instead of combining choices to move up for IMPACT players. Dude... I hate to be the one to tell you this, but he traded up to get impact players Ryan Denney and JP Losman. He also brought Bledsoe in here for the bargain rate of a 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 What has Donahoe done to deserve this kind treatment? He didn't play one down today. 483828[/snapback] He put this mess together. Isn't that enough? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 What has Donahoe done to deserve this kind treatment? He didn't play one down today. 483828[/snapback] Who makes the personel decisions on draft day? Who makes decisions on talent? Who decides which players come and which players go? Who decides who is worth fitting under the cap and who isn't? A GM is the one who puts the players on the field that will either make or brake a team each and every year. A GM is the number 1 individual responsible for building a team and he's had 5 years to get us at least 1 playoff game. Is he the only one? No, but right now if you had to name someone who is most responsible he's No 1. Does that answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 What has Donahoe done to deserve this kind treatment? He didn't play one down today. 483828[/snapback] Should we never fire coaches and GM's? How many years do we give him? (Any reply that contains the expression 'salary cap hell' will be disregarded.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Wait, but isn't it John Butler's fault, and Kevin Gilbride's, Gregg Williams's? That's what Donahoe told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 He put this mess together. Isn't that enough? PTR Who makes the personel decisions on draft day? Who makes decisions on talent? Who decides which players come and which players go? Who decides who is worth fitting under the cap and who isn't? A GM is the one who puts the players on the field that will either make or brake a team each and every year. A GM is the number 1 individual responsible for building a team and he's had 5 years to get us at least 1 playoff game. Is he the only one? No, but right now if you had to name someone who is most responsible he's No 1. Does that answer your question? Should we never fire coaches and GM's? How many years do we give him? (Any reply that contains the expression 'salary cap hell' will be disregarded.) Thanks guys, I needed that. Finally, some of you have come to your senses, stopped drinking the koolaid, and are repeating exactly what I've been espousing quite frequently over the past two plus seasons. I love you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I am held accountable on my job. Why not TD? If the Bils were a Fortune 500 company, what do you think the stock would be worth right now? It has been going down for 5+ years, and if I were a shareholder, I'd start to question the management right about now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 There's only one problem with TD leaving, it's not gonna happen anytime soon because he has Ralph brainwashed and Ralph doesn't know what the hell's going on anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBravo Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? 483580[/snapback] Agreed on the line. Without an OL, average teams look real real bad. And good teams look average. Of course teams with a good OL make an average QB look good. So which would you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonbbfan Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Dude... I hate to be the one to tell you this, but he traded up to get impact players Ryan Denney and JP Losman. He also brought Bledsoe in here for the bargain rate of a 1st round pick. 483831[/snapback] Dude, Denney was a 2nd rounder, I'm talking 1st round #10 or under. As I said, IMPACT player. That was a ploy to upstage Pitt. Losman was hurting the next years draft. I would have done it with 4-7 in that years draft. Then we would have had a first this year to go up and get another need. Also, I think Losman will work out with a little pressure from the town off him. He was proclaimed starter in Feb. I can imagine the pressure. I still think he will be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Dude, Denney was a 2nd rounder, I'm talking 1st round #10 or under. As I said, IMPACT player. That was a ploy to upstage Pitt. Losman was hurting the next years draft. I would have done it with 4-7 in that years draft. Then we would have had a first this year to go up and get another need. Also, I think Losman will work out with a little pressure from the town off him. He was proclaimed starter in Feb. I can imagine the pressure. I still think he will be OK. 483976[/snapback] You mean like Mike Williams? And the guy he really wanted in that draft was Harrington - no joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 dudes... you're crusading again. Mr. Donahoe is laizez faire. 483726[/snapback] DonnaHo's a lazy fairy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter21 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I think the real problem at hand with donahoe is the fact that he likes to pick coaches and staffs who are willing to entrust him with their testicles, and thus renders them dumbfounded in the game of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonbbfan Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 You mean like Mike Williams? And the guy he really wanted in that draft was Harrington - no joke. 483981[/snapback] Maybe we should look at our scouts. Looks like the DB and CB scouts are doing their jobs. I'm not impressed with line ( both ) scouts. Did many/any of our scouts go with AJ Smith? Did TD bring in his own people? I would look at scouting because we haven't found many gems in late rounds. Chances are better the higher you are but not a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 As bad as I feel about losing, I feel worse thinking that Ralph will probably never see his beloved Bills win the big one, much less make the playoffs, again. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BackInDaDay Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 There's only one problem with TD leaving, it's not gonna happen anytime soon because he has Ralph brainwashed and Ralph doesn't know what the hell's going on anymore. 483924[/snapback] Wrong! He's done exactly what he's been told... get the club into a financially solvent position while maintaining the fan base. Like I've been saying, Ralph's mantra has become Tom's mandate, "Winning isn't enough, winning enough is enough". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Brady Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 As bad as I feel about losing, I feel worse thinking that Ralph will probably never see his beloved Bills win the big one, much less make the playoffs, again. PTR 484110[/snapback] Don't worry Ralph is healthy and will be around another 10 years to watch the losing tradition continue...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbonehawaii Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? 483580[/snapback] YEP. Its unfortunatethat he only seesm to pay attention to tehgloru positions when good franchises figure it out that teh core of a team is the o-loine everybody's job is easier (even defenses) witha good o-line. its why you could start a blind grandmother and she will do reasonably well behind kc or denver lines for teh past 7 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 And soft on both lines, for the most part Guess TD missed that part of GM 101: How to get out of mediocrity Step 1: Build a strong offensive line and defensive line. Guess TD skipped that class. 483731[/snapback] How about those TD credentials: Playing experience HS: none College: none Pro : none Coaching experience HS : none College: none Pro: none The only that qualified him for the Bills GM job was Pittsburgh's sense in getting rid of him and Uncle Ralph's senility in hiring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Someone mentioned scouting being a problem...I'd seem to remember one of TD's first changes was DwighT Adams being shown the door... The guy knew talent - does he work for SD now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Someone mentioned scouting being a problem...I'd seem to remember one of TD's first changes was DwighT Adams being shown the door... The guy knew talent - does he work for SD now? 484291[/snapback] I'm sure TD sensed Adams had an indepedent streak and wouldn't roll over and play dead in a scouting dispute with his all-seeing boss. Another early sign of TD egomaniacal nature. SD would be the logical place but I haven't heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Wrong! He's done exactly what he's been told... get the club into a financially solvent position while maintaining the fan base. Like I've been saying, Ralph's mantra has become Tom's mandate, "Winning isn't enough, winning enough is enough". 484207[/snapback] He absolutely has, thus as long as the fans are showing up and the team is financially solvent, then 8-8 is good enough. Which means TD is not leaving anytime soon. He also signed a contract extension. Ralph isn't getting involved with the football side much anymore since TD took over and he keeps feeding Ralph the bs how the plan is in place. As long as Ralph believes the football bs, and he does, TD is going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Its time for Tom Donahue to be shown the door folks. Sure business wise he has helped the team, and yes, he injected some enthusiasm back into the Bills when they were at their lowest point in 2001, but it is clear as DAY that his philosophies on building a winner are not going to work here. Period. This is a team that cannot come up with big plays in games on the road against a team that is decent or better OVER AND OVER again!! That is not just coincidence in my eyes. And it goes beyond even the players on the field and the coaching staff. You have to start with the GM in this case. He hires coaches that he is able to control. His personnel decisions are questionable, the way to win the NFL is to start on the offensive and defensive lines and work your way out from there. Sure he made some real good moves (TKO, Sam Adams etc). But winning teams start in the trenches. How come he cannot realize this by now? Skimp on the OL and try to bring in retreads and build a dominant OL. Sure that will work, so many teams do that right? 483580[/snapback] Well at the very least the entire "On The Field" Operations need to be turned over to someone who knows what the heck he is doing...Cause obviously, for some reason, TD has lost the ability to put together a consistant, winning Roster...It pains me to see the way this Team was constructed...It just kills Me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koobie Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 There's only one problem with TD leaving, it's not gonna happen anytime soon because he has Ralph brainwashed and Ralph doesn't know what the hell's going on anymore. 483924[/snapback] The only way Ralphie will get rid of his boy TD, is when TD's terrible performance as GM starts effecting Ralph's wallet. When the fans stop buying into all the crap we are being sold, and stop filling the seats at Ralph Wilson Stadium, TD will be gone. It's all about Ralph's money............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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