This roster is a disaster however…..

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Jackson is playing like crap with no heart, and the coach is a dinosaur.  It’s not complicated. 

I mean I was responding to ‘the ravens were never favored to win anything/have never been considered one of the great afc teams’ which is categorically false 

 

this board gets a little odd to me at times…the original post was twisting the ravens collapse into ‘not a big deal’ as a way to take away from mcd/beane somehow but you’re perfectly entitled to not like mcd/beane without bending logic like that haha ravens were frequently labeled the best team in the afc 

 

We are like 1-2 weeks off from bills fans begging for ravens losses because we were so afraid to see them in the playoffs and now we’re going ‘eh they have never been any good’ 😂

[colin]

45 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think Beane overvalues his draft board vs. the grades given by other teams on certain players which has him consistently trading up and chasing a player and drafting for need. In the 2025 draft, he traded the team's 2 2nd rounders to Chicago for the 9th pick in the 2nd round to pick DT Sanders. He's been a serviceable rotational DT this year.

 

The Bears used those picks on an OT, Ozzy Trapilo, and DT, Shemar Turner. A DT that graded out on par with Sanders. So in theory, staying at 24 and 30 the Bills could have filled the DT need and selected another player at another position. Only 1 other DT went in the 2nd round, at 11 to the 49ers, before the 30th pick. Its hindsight but its also a good example of the value of staying put and not spending premium picks on trade ups in the draft. 

 

ya, i think he likes taking 'clever' risks.  it has worked from time to time, and we end up w more picks than we can roster a lot, so i see why he makes moves.

 

tbh, i think what he did early, big giant moves to get allen, edmunds, and diggs, are the way to go.  it's what the rams do, they had no 1st round picks for like 9 years or something, and were always trying to trade up to draft specific guys they loved (like the DE they got the year before last).  they see it as go for gold, or just take who is where you pick.  

[TFBillsfan]

Hopefully they can get at least two impactful starters out of this next draft. Preferably WR and then S, NCB, LB and DE are all in play. 

[Einstein's Dog]

3 hours ago, finn said:

I focus on the negatives, too, but give Beane credit for giving us, in no particular order, Oliver, Bishop, Walker, Hoecht, Bosa, Thompson, Hairston, Kincaid, Hawes, Shakir, Cook, Benford, the entire offensive line, and of course number 17. Most teams would snap these players up in a heartbeat. He's also provided quality role players, filled holes deftly (Prater, Wishnowsky), and, as GunnerBill pointed out, over time built a deep roster, with players like Trubinsky, Knox, Ty Johnson, VDM, Hancock, and the many recycled oldsters on the team. Picking very late in the draft every year (late on the waiver wire doesn't help, either) it's not surprising he's found it hard to find impact players, but he has done an admirable job filling out the roster, overall.

 

The glaring, neon-blinking, jaw-dropping, almost unforgiveable exception of course is wide receiver. That's the big hole on his resume. If he turned out right on either Coleman or Palmer, we would be the Super Bowl favorite, hands down. But he wasn't right. He could not have been more wrong. It's not much of an exaggeration to say he is asking Allen to play with a nice line, quality RBs and TEs--and NO wide receivers at all, aside from Shakir, who is like a little 12-year old asked to support his five younger siblings.

 

Put it this way: The Bills might have the worst set of wide receivers in the league--and still be the best team. That's both a testament to Beane's work as GM and an indictment. 

 

I agree with you, and really don't understand how people look at it much differently.  Beane has done well overall and people really need to compare him to other GMs and not to their own version of perfection.  All GMs make draft mistakes, all teams have some weaknesses.

 

As to the WR problem.  It is more recent than forever - remember at one point we had Diggs/Brown/Beasley. 

The real surfacing of this fiasco has been post-Diggs.  I don't even think Coleman was meant to be a WR1, he just needed to be WR2.    Getting the FA A Cooper was meh.  And one of the worst moves, IMO, was the Palmer deal - was he really thinking that was WR1 material?   Maybe Beane thought it was a stop gap until he did another in-season trade (ala Cooper but only a little better this time)

 

I think Beane might be feeling a little heat to get JA a top tier WR, and that's a good thing (Beane's public admission to trying for Waddle was telling IMO).  I hope the pressure is such that it results in bringing in a proven WR (not the hope of a draft pick).  I think it will, Beane is a smart GM.   Not to get ahead of ourselves but the off-season will be exciting in that regard.

[finn]

4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I agree with you, and really don't understand how people look at it much differently.  Beane has done well overall and people really need to compare him to other GMs and not to their own version of perfection.  All GMs make draft mistakes, all teams have some weaknesses.

 

As to the WR problem.  It is more recent than forever - remember at one point we had Diggs/Brown/Beasley. 

The real surfacing of this fiasco has been post-Diggs.  I don't even think Coleman was meant to be a WR1, he just needed to be WR2.    Getting the FA A Cooper was meh.  And one of the worst moves, IMO, was the Palmer deal - was he really thinking that was WR1 material?   Maybe Beane thought it was a stop gap until he did another in-season trade (ala Cooper but only a little better this time)

 

I think Beane might be feeling a little heat to get JA a top tier WR, and that's a good thing (Beane's public admission to trying for Waddle was telling IMO).  I hope the pressure is such that it results in bringing in a proven WR (not the hope of a draft pick).  I think it will, Beane is a smart GM.   Not to get ahead of ourselves but the off-season will be exciting in that regard.

Agree. I'm expecting him to make wide receiver his top priority. I just hope he gives it the same attention he annually gives the defensive line--and has better results. For example, I would love to see picking WR with the first pick AND going after a top free agent AND finding two more receivers later in the draft or free agency. That's how empty the cupboards are now. Yes, we need a starting linebacker and, as always pass rushers, but it's time to see what Josh Allen in his absolute prime can do with the caliber of receivers all his top peers have as a matter of course, instead of the collection of retreads, busts, no-shows and JAGS he has to work with now. 

[Bockeye]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think Beane overvalues his draft board vs. the grades given by other teams on certain players which has him consistently trading up and chasing a player and drafting for need. In the 2025 draft, he traded the team's 2 2nd rounders to Chicago for the 9th pick in the 2nd round to pick DT Sanders. He's been a serviceable rotational DT this year.

 

The Bears used those picks on an OT, Ozzy Trapilo, and DT, Shemar Turner. A DT that graded out on par with Sanders. So in theory, staying at 24 and 30 the Bills could have filled the DT need and selected another player at another position. Only 1 other DT went in the 2nd round, at 11 to the 49ers, before the 30th pick. Its hindsight but its also a good example of the value of staying put and not spending premium picks on trade ups in the draft. 

I think most agree with your take here. The draft is such a hit or miss thing, Beane needs to start using all of our picks and stop freaking using them to trade up. 
 

Beyond Allen, his trade up philosophy has simply not worked out great. 

[Jrb1979]

9 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

I think most agree with your take here. The draft is such a hit or miss thing, Beane needs to start using all of our picks and stop freaking using them to trade up. 
 

Beyond Allen, his trade up philosophy has simply not worked out great. 

I would add, also making talent the focus rather than culture or scheme fit. 

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, SunDSolar said:

 

Look McDermott is a good coach but with a average to slightly above average QB his gameplan and in game management would be .500ish at best

 

Give ANY HC an "average to slightly above average QB" and it's likely that HC would be  ".500ish at best".

 

 

3 hours ago, SunDSolar said:

 

The thing is we should have already had a super bowl appearance

 

Jesus look at Josh Allens post season stats, then comeback and tell me why we don't have a AFC championship yet?

 

The reality is that you can't always get what you want.   Ask the millions of people who play Mega Millions and other lotteries.

 

3 hours ago, colin said:

 

i'd state it as a great gm finds a way to find and get those players, but the point stands.

 

i wonder if this is beane being "cheap" with his management of pics or something, or just his kinda fraidy cat mentality of fearing not having great depth, so he doesn't pull the trigger on getting waddle for a 1st in 2026 (+ something else im sure) or whatever.

 

at the time i liked the trade for cooper (who i think went from a ton of talent and not so much passion for the game to less talent and not so much passion for the game) but in retrospect if he coulda gotten adams (maybe it wasn't on the table cuz adam's loves aaron) and moved cap around and not signed palmer or whatever, that woulda put us in a much much better position right now.

 

Who do you consider "a great gm" in the 2000s?

 

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The ravens had one of the best offensive outputs in nfl history last year and were the 1 seed in 2023.  Last year they were a road favorite over Buffalo in the divisional.  Gotta firmly disagree with that first point 

 

I think even in the offseason coming into this year the ravens had the best Super Bowl odds out of the afc teams and at worst equal to Buffalo/kc 

People are so weird about the ravens because they think it’s a Lamar vs Josh thing specifically but really it’s that the ravens roster is absolutely stacked.  The falloff there is honestly shocking 

 

I'm with @Chaos about the Ravens:  coaching is the problem with that team.   I don't think there's been a HC who's had less success in relation to the talent on his teams over the last decade than Harbaugh.   His teams have consistently imploded in big games or in the playoffs despite frequently facing teams with noticeably less talent on the field.

[SunDSolar]

27 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Give ANY HC an "average to slightly above average QB" and it's likely that HC would be  ".500ish at best".

 

 

The 49ers have been to two super bowls with average to below average QB play.

 

The Eagles have been to a few with average to above average QBs

 

We have a HOF QB but we couldn't figure out how to stop the Chiefs or Bengals offense in the playoffs. 

 

And when Allen balls out and beats the Chiefs our inept coaching staff doesn't even know you have to force a kick return with 13 seconds left in the game

 

I guess Allen will have to score 50+ to make it to a super bowl with us, because time and time again in the playoffs McDermott has yet to put a gameplan together that stops the opposing offense

 

I hope I eat my words this year and Mcdermott proves me wrong.  I'm crossing my fingers his defense dominates the playoffs.  

 

Lets hope

Edited 16 minutes ago by SunDSolar