Game week thread - Bills at Patriots*

[transplantbillsfan]

58 minutes ago, Instincts said:

To say Maye will never be Allen, when Maye's projectory and numbers already look like this and he is in the running for MVP only SECOND season is absolutely asinine.  Speaking of Goat you're making Allen sound like the GOAT and he isn't.  One of the best dual threat quarterbacks of his generation, and an elite QB? Absolutely.  But can he be lapped by Maye if Maye's projectory continues to rise, ABSOLUTELY.  How long did it take Allen to look they way he did? I'm pretty sure his 4th year maybe 3rd.  This is Drake Maye's 2ND season. 

 

Allen is the best dual threat QB the NFL has ever seen.  The dude scores TDs at an unheard of rate.  

 

By the very definition of MVP as Most Valuable Player, Josh Allen should probably have won it every year for the last 6 years.

 

And Josh was the Josh we know now in year 3, not 4.  But there's revisionist history on his 2nd year because he certainly started resembling the Josh Allen we know right now in 2019.

 

Maye might be "in the running" for MVP, but realistically I don't think he has a shot to win it.  It's going to be Stafford or (sorry to burst your bubble) Allen.  The latter depends on what he does in the next 4 games.  Stafford, however, has never won an MVP.  He's also the league leader in the NFL in total TDs at 35.  For context for you Patriots fans... that's 10 more TDs than your boy Drake.  Josh Allen is right on Stafford's heals at 34 and he probably has the same narrative of "look at the guys he's throwing to!  He's doing it all by himself" going for him... and that would be true.  However, Stafford still gets the leg up because he's never won it and the voters will surely want to give him one.

 

And I want to reiterate something here... I like Maye and really wish he weren't on the Patriots.  He's a good QB and scares me as a Bills fan more than any other QB in the AFC East since Brady left.

 

But he ain't Allen.  He ain't Mahomes.  He ain't Lamar.

 

Drake's having a MVP like year in his 2nd year, huh?  That's nice.  Maybe it took Josh 3 years to put up an MVP like year, but pretty stark difference of Josh's 3rd year to Drake's 2nd.

 

2020 Josh Allen

310.3 yards per game

2.8 TDs per game

1 turnover per game

 

2025 Drake Maye

287 yards per game

1.9 TDs per game

0.6 turnovers per game

 

Just did yards per game there because Maye's 2025 season is incomplete, but Josh Allen in 2020 was just a few yards short of 5,000 total yards and had 45 TDs.  And he did it in a 16 game season.  The more you look back at that season, the more bewildering it is that Josh only has 1 MVP... because he's done similar things in every ensuing year.  He's always somewhere around 5,000 total yards and always over 40 TDs now. 

 

Maye ain't sniffing that kinda production.

 

And by the way, even in Allen's 2nd year, he still had 29 TDs and 3,600 yards in 15 games since he took a total of 7 snaps in a meaningless week 16 game against the Jets... so if Maye can't get 5 or more total TDs in his next 2 games against the Bills and Ravens, he's no better than 2019 Josh Allen in terms of scoring production.

 

Is our bar really so low this year that we really think Drake Maye should win the MVP???? C'mon man...

[boyst]

17 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

“To say Jayden Daniels will never be Mahomes, when Daniels’ projectory and numbers already look like this and he is in the running for MVP only FIRST season is absolutely asinine.  Speaking of Goat you're making Mahomes sound like the GOAT and he isn't.  One of the best  quarterbacks of his generation, and an elite QB? Absolutely.  But can he be lapped by Daniels if Daniels’ projectory continues to rise, ABSOLUTELY.  How long did it take Mahomes to look they way he did? I'm pretty sure his 2nd year maybe 3rd.  This is Jayden Daniels 1ST season.”

 

-Commanders fans last year

The saving grace is the reads Maye makes, the way you can see he reads the field, and most importantly the way McDaniel is able to work with him - Patriot ***** stains will think they were right all along.

 

Maye has a solid chance at a good career. His floor is Tannehill (who honestly gets too much hate).  Right now he is a flash in the pan like Pennington was for a moment. He has the chance to reach McNair levels of hysteria soon. At best he will be a slinging game manager like Drew Brees or Dan Marino. That is literally, at best. 

[Ghost_002!]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

For one I never said anything about the blitz 

 

For two thank you keywords zero touchdowns..  he didn't throw four touchdowns 

 

He threw zero... And we have a lot more film on the Patriots offense over the last 7 8 weeks 

 

Dude you can't anoint a quarterback Year two lol he's going to have plenty of games where he struggles over the next couple of years 

 

And I'm betting one of them is this Sunday

 

 

 

"A spy rush" what is that? Rush means blitz..and who is anointed him?? Although he is in the MVP convo in his 2nd year.

 

And nothing wrong with being confident in your team. But I am willing to bet Maye is gonna be fine aganist the Bills defense cause aftet all bills fans complain constantly about their teams defense..

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Ghost_002!

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

 

"A spy rush" what is that? Rush means blitz..and who is anointed him?? Although he is in the MVP convo in his 2nd year.

 

And nothing wrong with being confident in your team. But I am willing to bet Maye is gonna be fine aganist the Bills defense cause aftet all bills fans complain constantly about their teams defense..

 

 

 

 

 

Where did I say those words lol

[Ghost_002!]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Where did I say those words lol

 

I am sorry that was not you. 

[TH3]

1 hour ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Projectory?

Supposebly its a word

Edited 49 minutes ago by TH3

[Instincts]

5 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Supposebly its a word

Omg, trajectory is what I meant lol.. projectory lmao

1 hour ago, boyst said:

The saving grace is the reads Maye makes, the way you can see he reads the field, and most importantly the way McDaniel is able to work with him - Patriot ***** stains will think they were right all along.

 

Maye has a solid chance at a good career. His floor is Tannehill (who honestly gets too much hate).  Right now he is a flash in the pan like Pennington was for a moment. He has the chance to reach McNair levels of hysteria soon. At best he will be a slinging game manager like Drew Brees or Dan Marino. That is literally, at best. 

lol he has already passed Tannehill lol .. Tannehill's best year isn't close to what Drake Maye is doing right now, as long as Tannehill has played lol.  Scary thing is.. Vrabel took Tannehill to a championship game and thats without a QB like Maye and OC like Josh McDaniels.  Now he has BOTH on offense. 

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Instincts said:

Omg, trajectory is what I meant lol.. projectory lmao

lol he has already passed Tannehill lol .. Tannehill's best year isn't close to what Drake Maye is doing right now, as long as Tannehill has played lol.  Scary thing is.. Vrabel took Tannehill to a championship game and thats without a QB like Maye and OC like Josh McDaniels.  Now he has BOTH on offense. 

 

Vrabes had great OC's in TN.  LeFleur & Smith.

 

You're mythologizing.

 

 

[Instincts]

Just now, Success said:

 

Vrabes had great OC's in TN.  LeFleur & Smith.

 

You're mythologizing.

 

 

And neither one could hold Josh McDaniel's jockstrap.  Check his resume.

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

The saving grace is the reads Maye makes, the way you can see he reads the field, and most importantly the way McDaniel is able to work with him - Patriot ***** stains will think they were right all along.

 

Maye has a solid chance at a good career. His floor is Tannehill (who honestly gets too much hate).  Right now he is a flash in the pan like Pennington was for a moment. He has the chance to reach McNair levels of hysteria soon. At best he will be a slinging game manager like Drew Brees or Dan Marino. That is literally, at best. 

I agree Maye is great. Just couldn’t pass up an opportunity to dunk a dumb post from a pats fan.

[Instincts]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Allen is the best dual threat QB the NFL has ever seen.  The dude scores TDs at an unheard of rate.  

 

By the very definition of MVP as Most Valuable Player, Josh Allen should probably have won it every year for the last 6 years.

 

And Josh was the Josh we know now in year 3, not 4.  But there's revisionist history on his 2nd year because he certainly started resembling the Josh Allen we know right now in 2019.

 

Maye might be "in the running" for MVP, but realistically I don't think he has a shot to win it.  It's going to be Stafford or (sorry to burst your bubble) Allen.  The latter depends on what he does in the next 4 games.  Stafford, however, has never won an MVP.  He's also the league leader in the NFL in total TDs at 35.  For context for you Patriots fans... that's 10 more TDs than your boy Drake.  Josh Allen is right on Stafford's heals at 34 and he probably has the same narrative of "look at the guys he's throwing to!  He's doing it all by himself" going for him... and that would be true.  However, Stafford still gets the leg up because he's never won it and the voters will surely want to give him one.

 

And I want to reiterate something here... I like Maye and really wish he weren't on the Patriots.  He's a good QB and scares me as a Bills fan more than any other QB in the AFC East since Brady left.

 

But he ain't Allen.  He ain't Mahomes.  He ain't Lamar.

 

Drake's having a MVP like year in his 2nd year, huh?  That's nice.  Maybe it took Josh 3 years to put up an MVP like year, but pretty stark difference of Josh's 3rd year to Drake's 2nd.

 

2020 Josh Allen

310.3 yards per game

2.8 TDs per game

1 turnover per game

 

2025 Drake Maye

287 yards per game

1.9 TDs per game

0.6 turnovers per game

 

Just did yards per game there because Maye's 2025 season is incomplete, but Josh Allen in 2020 was just a few yards short of 5,000 total yards and had 45 TDs.  And he did it in a 16 game season.  The more you look back at that season, the more bewildering it is that Josh only has 1 MVP... because he's done similar things in every ensuing year.  He's always somewhere around 5,000 total yards and always over 40 TDs now. 

 

Maye ain't sniffing that kinda production.

 

And by the way, even in Allen's 2nd year, he still had 29 TDs and 3,600 yards in 15 games since he took a total of 7 snaps in a meaningless week 16 game against the Jets... so if Maye can't get 5 or more total TDs in his next 2 games against the Bills and Ravens, he's no better than 2019 Josh Allen in terms of scoring production.

 

Is our bar really so low this year that we really think Drake Maye should win the MVP???? C'mon man...

What matters is now, not 5 years ago.  5 years ago cannot help Buffalo today, C'mon man....

 

"In the 2025 NFL season (as of early December), Drake Maye has generally outperformed Josh Allen in efficiency and advanced metrics, leading the league in completion percentage, passer rating, and Expected Points Added, while Allen still boasts strong overall production, particularly in fantasy points per game and rushing touchdowns, showcasing Maye's breakout year with the Patriots compared to Allen's continued elite play for the Bills. 

Here's a breakdown of their typical 2025 performance:

Key Statistical Comparisons (Around Week 13-14, 2025)

Completion %: Maye (71.5%) > Allen (70.1%)

Passing Yards: Maye (3,412) > Allen (3,085)

Passing Touchdowns: Maye (23) ≈ Allen (22)

Passer Rating: Maye (111.9) > Allen (102.9)

Fantasy Points (Approx): Allen (254) > Maye (227)

Fantasy PPG: Allen (25.4) > Maye (20.6)

Rushing TDs: Allen (7) > Maye (2)

Sacks: Maye (36) > Allen (20) 

Key Takeaways

Maye's Efficiency: Maye leads in key efficiency metrics, showing incredible accuracy and decision-making for the Patriots, ranking first in Completion Percentage Over Expectation.

Allen's Versatility: Allen remains a fantasy powerhouse, often leading in fantasy points due to his significant rushing production (more rushing TDs) and high fantasy point-per-game average.

Offensive Systems: Their roles differ; Maye excels in the Patriots' system, while Allen's dual-threat ability keeps him elite, but he's also been sacked more often. "   Drake Maye ain't concerned about being a fantasy QB like Josh Allen, Drake wants to actually win championships... something Josh Allen has not... even Joe Burrow has at least been to a Superbowl... Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.. will yall ever make it to one? or will sports media continue to make excuses for you. 🧐

Edited 10 minutes ago by Instincts

[Buffalo Ballin]

Josh Allen is a competitor; a hard working, student of the game, competitor.

 

He strengthened a lot of his weaknesses. It's no mistake. He works extremely hard in the off season. Don't be fooled with the glitz, glamour, Stanfield, and golf. He's in the same class as Michael Jordan in regards to training.

 

Josh Alien and our Buffalo Bills will be looking for revenge this Sunday. We'll be better than the last time we faced the Pats regardless of the betting line.

 

 

 

 

 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, Instincts said:

What matters is now, not 5 years ago.  5 years ago cannot help Buffalo today, C'mon man....

 

"In the 2025 NFL season (as of early December), Drake Maye has generally outperformed Josh Allen in efficiency and advanced metrics, leading the league in completion percentage, passer rating, and Expected Points Added, while Allen still boasts strong overall production, particularly in fantasy points per game and rushing touchdowns, showcasing Maye's breakout year with the Patriots compared to Allen's continued elite play for the Bills. 

Here's a breakdown of their typical 2025 performance:

Key Statistical Comparisons (Around Week 13-14, 2025)

Completion %: Maye (71.5%) > Allen (70.1%)

Passing Yards: Maye (3,412) > Allen (3,085)

Passing Touchdowns: Maye (23) ≈ Allen (22)

Passer Rating: Maye (111.9) > Allen (102.9)

Fantasy Points (Approx): Allen (254) > Maye (227)

Fantasy PPG: Allen (25.4) > Maye (20.6)

Rushing TDs: Allen (7) > Maye (2)

Sacks: Maye (36) > Allen (20) 

Key Takeaways

Maye's Efficiency: Maye leads in key efficiency metrics, showing incredible accuracy and decision-making for the Patriots, ranking first in Completion Percentage Over Expectation.

Allen's Versatility: Allen remains a fantasy powerhouse, often leading in fantasy points due to his significant rushing production (more rushing TDs) and high fantasy point-per-game average.

Offensive Systems: Their roles differ; Maye excels in the Patriots' system, while Allen's dual-threat ability keeps him elite, but he's also been sacked more often. "   Drake Maye ain't concerned about being a fantasy QB like Josh Allen, Drake wants to actually win championships... something Josh Allen has not... even Joe Burrow has at least been to a Superbowl... Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.. will yall ever make it to one? or will sports media continue to make excuses for you. 🧐

 

You're really trolling now.

 

How do you know "Drake wants to actually win championships?"  Drake Maye hasn't played a single postseason game yet.  

 

In fact, when Maye has had even minor pressure, he has turned the ball over. How many game-ending INT's an fumbles has he had in the 4th quarter at this point of his career, anyway?

 

 

[Instincts]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Allen is the best dual threat QB the NFL has ever seen.  The dude scores TDs at an unheard of rate.  

 

By the very definition of MVP as Most Valuable Player, Josh Allen should probably have won it every year for the last 6 years.

 

And Josh was the Josh we know now in year 3, not 4.  But there's revisionist history on his 2nd year because he certainly started resembling the Josh Allen we know right now in 2019.

 

Maye might be "in the running" for MVP, but realistically I don't think he has a shot to win it.  It's going to be Stafford or (sorry to burst your bubble) Allen.  The latter depends on what he does in the next 4 games.  Stafford, however, has never won an MVP.  He's also the league leader in the NFL in total TDs at 35.  For context for you Patriots fans... that's 10 more TDs than your boy Drake.  Josh Allen is right on Stafford's heals at 34 and he probably has the same narrative of "look at the guys he's throwing to!  He's doing it all by himself" going for him... and that would be true.  However, Stafford still gets the leg up because he's never won it and the voters will surely want to give him one.

 

And I want to reiterate something here... I like Maye and really wish he weren't on the Patriots.  He's a good QB and scares me as a Bills fan more than any other QB in the AFC East since Brady left.

 

But he ain't Allen.  He ain't Mahomes.  He ain't Lamar.

 

Drake's having a MVP like year in his 2nd year, huh?  That's nice.  Maybe it took Josh 3 years to put up an MVP like year, but pretty stark difference of Josh's 3rd year to Drake's 2nd.

 

2020 Josh Allen

310.3 yards per game

2.8 TDs per game

1 turnover per game

 

2025 Drake Maye

287 yards per game

1.9 TDs per game

0.6 turnovers per game

 

Just did yards per game there because Maye's 2025 season is incomplete, but Josh Allen in 2020 was just a few yards short of 5,000 total yards and had 45 TDs.  And he did it in a 16 game season.  The more you look back at that season, the more bewildering it is that Josh only has 1 MVP... because he's done similar things in every ensuing year.  He's always somewhere around 5,000 total yards and always over 40 TDs now. 

 

Maye ain't sniffing that kinda production.

 

And by the way, even in Allen's 2nd year, he still had 29 TDs and 3,600 yards in 15 games since he took a total of 7 snaps in a meaningless week 16 game against the Jets... so if Maye can't get 5 or more total TDs in his next 2 games against the Bills and Ravens, he's no better than 2019 Josh Allen in terms of scoring production.

 

Is our bar really so low this year that we really think Drake Maye should win the MVP???? C'mon man...

I mean, we've had some great ones... Steve Young (HOF), Aaron Rodgers (HOF), Patrick Mahomes (HOF), ... Best we've ever seen? Better dual threat than Patrick Mahomes? really? .. any hardware? usually best ever conversations when it comes to quarterbacks has hardware in there some where.  Even if we take out championships.. better than Lamar Jackson, as it feet equally to arm? ... How about Josh Allen is ONE OF the best dual threat quarterbacks we've ever seen.

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

You're really trolling now.

 

How do you know "Drake wants to actually win championships?"  Drake Maye hasn't played a single postseason game yet.  

 

In fact, when Maye has had even minor pressure, he has turned the ball over. How many game-ending INT's an fumbles has he had in the 4th quarter at this point of his career, anyway?

 

 

game ending INTs and fumbles? can't have many with an 11-2 record this season.