Beane/ McDermott should be ashamed of themselves

[5ths the charm]

Notice how we seldom see many crossing routes or 8-10 yard out/slant routes? Timing routes, up and ins or simple 5 yard RB flares? Scheme is the problem. Routes take too long to develop and call for coverage lapses

[Paup 1995MVP]

55 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Go watch the Dallas highlights. Our perimeter talent at wr, cb, and pass rush isn't even close to Dallas.

 

Bosa & $$$ Rousseau, benford better start making plays starting vs Pittsburgh. Epenesa, etc

 

If they don't elevate their play on the pass rush or stop the run I don't know how we're supposed to compete for a title 

 

Kincaid and maybe Shavers / Coleman developing is all I got for offense. Idk

 

When is Kincaid coming back?

 

I felt the same way watching the games today.  Even Jacksonville and Arizona have guys that get open downfield. 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Honestly I believe that over half the teams in the league maybe every team outside the Browns and bengals would’ve won a SB already with Josh Allen. I despise McD and Beane but I blame Pegula even more because what the heck is he doing man. Does he not have anyone in his ear with any football sense at all telling him what a gift it is to have Josh and not to waste it with incompetence?

I am very confident that the Bengal's would have won a Super Bowl with Allen not least because he would have been available to play in a lot more games then Burrow has.

 

 

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I am very confident that the Bengal's would have won a Super Bowl with Allen not least because he would have been available to play in a lot more games then Burrow has.

 

 

Probably but they’re pretty poorly run too. Maybe it would be only Cleveland that could botch it as bad as we have. Any NFC team would’ve gotten to the SB with him because he’d be the far and away best QB in that conference

[Scott7975]

31 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Here's why they do what they do:

 

https://nfllines.com/nfl-2024-team-positional-spending-win-correlation/

 

It's a long article, but if you run the data on the correlation between the percentage of the cap spent on position groups and winning percentage, the order goes like this. 

• Quarterback & Offensive Line (0.288) TIE
• Cornerback (0.171)
• Interior Defensive Line (0.077)
• Wide Receiver (0.064)
• Edge (0.012)
• Running Back (-0.048)
• Tight End (-0.093)
• Linebacker (-0.123)
• Safety (-0.166)

I don't agree with this because the eye test tells me that elite WRs and EDGE players make game winning plays. But the data says to invest in QB and OL above all else, but CB and DT are also key to winning. That's what Beane has done and I think his smugness comes from the fact that he has the data on his side.

 

 

Thats data over 10 season avg. It likely changes overtime as the NFL cycles, but you wont see a change in the data for years. For instance, 5 years from now WR might move up the list or maybe Edge moves up the list. I doubt that list is the same 10 years from now.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

Probably but they’re pretty poorly run too. Maybe it would be only Cleveland that could botch it as bad as we have. Any NFC team would’ve gotten to the SB with him because he’d be the far and away best QB in that conference

They're so poorly run that they played in back to back AFC Championship games and made it to a Super Bowl.  The Bengals made the strategic decision to go all in on the offense.  The problem is that Burrow cant stay healthy.  Zack Taylor and this offense with a healthy Allen would have played in 2 Super Bows winning one at a minimum.

 

 

[Seventeen]

Add Nacua and Adams to the game-changing players we don't have.

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

They're so poorly run that they played in back to back AFC Championship games and made it to a Super Bowl.  The Bengals made the strategic decision to go all in on the offense.  The problem is that Burrow cant stay healthy.  Zack Taylor and this offense with a healthy Allen would have played in 2 Super Bows winning one at a minimum.

 

 

I’m not a believer in Zach Taylor or the ownership of the bengals to spend money to win consistently but you may be right with Allen they would’ve won one at least. Like you said they at least draft pieces around their once in a lifetime QB

[BuffaloBaumer]

I think it could be argued that Beane is the worst GM in the NFL

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’m not a believer in Zach Taylor or the ownership of the Bengals to spend money to win consistently but you may be right with Allen they would’ve won one at least. Like you said they at least draft pieces around their once in a lifetime QB

I've lived down here in Cincy since the 1980's and Taylor is an odd one.  Overall I don't think he's a good coach but he does know offense.  If the Bengal's fire him, and I don't see them doing that, I would want the Bills to hire hm as OC in a heartbeat.

 

You're right about the Brown family as owners.  But the issue for the Bengals is that Burrow can't stay healthy and his injuries have compromised 4 seasons including this one.  

11 minutes ago, Seventeen said:

Add Nacua and Adams to the game-changing players we don't have.

The frustrating thing is Adam's has been available the last 3 seasons as he's been on the Jets, Raiders and now the Rams. It all comes down to choices.

 

 

[zow2]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

It's eye opening and it pisses me off 

 

How come i watch some of these games and the week after we play a team that looks very solid against Buffalo looks like crap the very next week.  We’ve seen it several times this year.  Our coaching coordinators are subpar. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I think it could be argued that Beane is the worst GM in the NFL

The Jests, Raiders and a few other bottom feeder fans would like for their beers to be held…I mean sure, I’m as ticked as most other Bills fans about our weaknesses in building around Allen (injuries notwithstanding), but I also know that factually there are worse GMs out there who’ve picked higher than us routinely in the draft. 

[Seventeen]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The frustrating thing is Adam's has been available the last 3 seasons as he's been on the Jets, Raiders and now the Rams. It all comes down to choices.

 

Choices and proper cap management so you can sign an Adams without sacrificing top draft picks. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I think it could be argued that Beane is the worst GM in the NFL

You absolutely could make that argument. He's a singles hitter 

[SC STATE NUPE]

Who does this sound like?!!! “During his head coaching tenure, Schottenheimer's coaching strategy became known as Martyball. It emphasized a strong running game, a passing game that limited turnovers, and an aggressive defense. A conservative style, it was criticized for its blandness and it prevented Schottenheimer from winning big games, because he consistently played not to lose.[3][63][64] While Schottenheimer's teams won eight division titles and made the playoffs 13 times in his 21 seasons, they never reached the Super Bowl. His three AFC Championship Game appearances all ended in defeat and after losing his third AFC Championship, Schottenheimer's final five playoff runs resulted in eliminations in the first game for his teams.” 🤔😂

Edited just now by SC STATE NUPE

[NeverOutNick]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I think it could be argued that Beane is the worst GM in the NFL

He’s an excellent poker player. He tries his best with filling needs. He’s just a terrible evaluator of actual talent. He did a great job getting Josh Allen but he really should have surrounded himself with people who know talent evaluating and keep the coach (who can’t evaluate talent outside of his old carolina stomping grounds) out of the draft room. I think when it comes to wheeling and dealing Beane found his niche but he’s just filling holes to fill them. I want to believe that maybe it’s our scouting department dropping the ball but I don’t think it’s true because we hit on a lot of our late round picks when he probably gives those guys more free reign…He just SUCKS in getting true game changers early so my theory is he either doesn’t know how to or what he’s looking for talent wise early or he’s just McDs errand boy checking off the list in the first few rounds of the draft.