Allen missed a wide open Knox on the final play

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

17 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Unpopular take because Allen is the best player on the field. But there is something up. Whether its Brady and the talent around him or Allen himself its hard to say...chicken or egg sort of thing. But Allen is doing things he hasnt done for a long time. Taking 18 yard sacks, throwing balls where he cant see, missing easy throws because either his clock is off or his feet are. What I am wondering is if Allen is not putting in the work on non game days. Is he studying the same way he has the past few years that allowed him to recognize and adjust the plays or OL calls? Is his body, while still a beast, not as able to break tackles and out run guys because he has scaled back some of the extra work? We dont know that stuff. 

Allen has always had stinkers, but never this many in one season. I don’t care what the majority of the board thinks. Something is absolutely going on. 

[IYKYK]

I love Monday morning armchair quarterbacks. He should have done this or done that. Unbelievable!

Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen has always had stinkers, but never this many in one season. I don’t care what the majority of the board thinks. Something is absolutely going on. 

Yeah, he has no WR’s and the OC sucks big time! No Qb would be successful with this crappy ass offense.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

Some so called bills fans just don’t like Allen. So when he makes a bad play (which every Qb does) they love to point it out and say I told you so!!!

We would be a two win team without Allen, but let’s not pick every mistake he makes.  Unbelievable!

Yeah, let’s not acknowledge James Cook who had over 100 rushing and our only offensive TD. I guess that doesn’t matter. Allen is the only good player on the team. I forgot 

2 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

I love Monday morning armchair quarterbacks. He should have done this or done that. Unbelievable!

Yeah, he has no WR’s and the OC sucks big time! No Qb would be successful with this crappy ass offense.

Allen just put up 6 TDs last week. That isn’t being successful ? gtfoh…

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

does it strike you while typing that he can trust an elite guy but struggles at times with mediocre guys? 
 

Talent matters. We’ve given him little on the perimeter. 

Then how do you explain 4 days ago ? You don’t put up 6 TDs without help. The receivers were making catches allover the place. Shavers looked like a number 1. It makes no sense. The Texans must be for real because this is the worst beating the Allen era Bills have taken. 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen has always had stinkers, but never this many in one season. I don’t care what the majority of the board thinks. Something is absolutely going on. 

I'll tell what I think is going on:

 

*  The offensive strategy and tactics being employed do not make the best use of Allen's skill set.

 

*  This is the worst offensive group, top to bottom, then any since Allen's rookie season.  For sure they are worse then the 2020 - 2023 teams.

 

*  The defense no longer pulls its weight during the regular season.  It has never pulled it's weight during the playoffs but now it is bad during the season.  This leads directly to Allen forcing things which increases the risks of TO's and sacks.

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

I'll tell what I think is going on:

 

*  The offensive strategy and tactics being employed do not make the best use of Allen's skill set.

 

*  This is the worst offensive group, top to bottom, then any since Allen's rookie season.  For sure they are worse then the 2020 - 2023 teams.

 

*  The defense no longer pulls its weight during the regular season.  It has never pulled it's weight during the playoffs but now it is bad during the season.  This leads directly to Allen forcing things which increases the risks of TO's and sacks.

 

 

I thought the defense tightened up nicely in the 4th quarter. You expect the Bills to be able to put up more than one offensive TD. 

[Sweats]

10 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen has always had stinkers, but never this many in one season. I don’t care what the majority of the board thinks. Something is absolutely going on. 

 

 

 

Whenever i question JA's bad playing, i get called a bad fan, so you might be setting yourself up for a lot of shrapnel coming your way.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Then how do you explain 4 days ago ? You don’t put up 6 TDs without help. The receivers were making catches allover the place. Shavers looked like a number 1. It makes no sense. The Texans must be for real because this is the worst beating the Allen era Bills have taken. 

Allen's extreme talent, when fully on display, enables the Bills offensive performance to occasionally significantly exceed its talent and tactical capabilities.  Allen is just that good.  

 

And while we say the receivers "suck" this is not true. They are NFL WR's and thus better then 99% of the football players on the planet.  But in a game of inches where 2 or 3 elite level catches can change the course of a game the Bills receivers are not good by NFL standards and at the bottom of any realistic assessment of a an NFL WR group. When Allen is on, he makes these average to below average WR's look good.  But this is not sustainable because you almost never see the WR's making those difficult NFL type catches that make their QB look good when he's having an off game.

 

 

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Whenever i question JA's bad playing, i get called a bad fan, so you might be setting yourself up for a lot of shrapnel coming your way.

This board is so hive minded. You rarely get people who can form their own actual opinion instead of regurgitating what the media & other posters say. Honestly thinking of taking a break. It’s too much. 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I thought the defense tightened up nicely in the 4th quarter. You expect the Bills to be able to put up more than one offensive TD. 

To little to late. The defense tightened up in the Atlanta game to but again it was to little to late.  That TD drive the Bills D gave up at the end of the half which cost Buffalo the lead was a perfect example of how this D is constantly allowing teams to flip game momentum on its head.  

 

 

[PayDaBill$]

Josh throughout his NFL career has been dealing with 3 OC trainee’s! Can we get one of the best QBs in the game an OC that doesn’t need training wheels.

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by PayDaBill$

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen also missed a wide open Gabe Davis streaking down the side line on the Hawes check down. I cannot wait until the All 22 film comes out. He is missing receivers, but pointing that out you might as well be criticizing Jesus on this forum 

 

That wasn't a check down. It was a designed slip screen. Gabe was running a clear out. I believe they actually said this all on the broadcast.

[NoSaint]

26 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Then how do you explain 4 days ago ? You don’t put up 6 TDs without help. The receivers were making catches allover the place. Shavers looked like a number 1. It makes no sense. The Texans must be for real because this is the worst beating the Allen era Bills have taken. 

it’s really super simple. 
 

all 53 guys we have are talented. Even our practice squad guys are. There’s a reason we get excited for WR8 flashing potential basically every year. 
 

the problem is the fringe guys can flash it here and there while the elite can do it week in and week out consistently. 
 

do you not recall getting excited about 2 weeks of good play from some low end player for like 20 years? 
 

Allen can’t carry that all by himself but sometimes they will flash alongside him. You are confusing “skill” with “results in small samples”

Edited 56 minutes ago by NoSaint

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Whenever i question JA's bad playing, i get called a bad fan, so you might be setting yourself up for a lot of shrapnel coming your way.

Nah, you're not a "bad fan" but your one of those fans nibbling around the edges of the real problems. And Allen is not a part of any real problem on the Bills.  Over the last 6 seasons including this one Allen has repeatedly demonstrated that he has the talent to win a Super Bowl. 

 

The failure of the Bills to get over the hump this season and in past seasons has almost nothing to do with Allen and almost everything to do with the strategic focus of the Bills paired with their inability to build a SB caliber roster.  They have the QB and RB and RT and maybe going forward the safety but not much else.  They clearly don't have the coaching or front office skills of the most recent SB winners:  KC, LA Rams and the Eagles.

 

 

[HappyDays]

The thing that really makes me hate McDermott and Beane is they have ruined Allen's legacy. The last couple pages of this thread are depressing. They have fans questioning how good he is. And sadly that will be how he is remembered, not as an all time great but as the guy that could never get it done. The failure of this regime will fall entirely on his shoulders and it just sucks. No one will even talk about Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane in 20 years but they'll still be talking about how Allen couldn't climb the mountain. I probably shouldn't let that bother me so much but it does.

[PayDaBill$]

Put Josh on the LA Rams or San Francisco and find out how dominate he’d be, McDermott and Beane are two clowns that are wasting his time here.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

37 minutes ago, IYKYK said:

I love Monday morning armchair quarterbacks. He should have done this or done that. Unbelievable!

Yeah, he has no WR’s and the OC sucks big time! No Qb would be successful with this crappy ass offense.

Brotha I love 17 more than most, but a shallow crosser right in front of your face and you choose that......that's rough af. 

We had one timeout left and only needed 6 yards for a 1st, but he got baited into chucking it towards Palmer heading toward the end zone. 

The rest of your points are commonly accepted, for good reason. 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Who got a big contract? I was talking about Gabe Davis.

And I was talking about Knox.

[Simon]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The thing that really makes me hate McDermott and Beane is they have ruined Allen's legacy. The last couple pages of this thread are depressing. They have fans questioning how good he is. And sadly that will be how he is remembered, not as an all time great but as the guy that could never get it done. The failure of this regime will fall entirely on his shoulders and it just sucks. No one will even talk about Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane in 20 years but they'll still be talking about how Allen couldn't climb the mountain. I probably shouldn't let that bother me so much but it does.

 

He's 29 yrs old and a big horse in good health.

His legacy is nowhere near written yet.

Whether it's here or somewhere else, I think he'll get what he's earned and be justly remembered as the 1st ballot HOF'er and game-changing QB he's been.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

He's 29 yrs old and a big horse in good health.

His legacy is nowhere near written yet.

Whether it's here or somewhere else, I think he'll get what he's earned and be justly remembered as the 1st ballot HOF'er and game-changing QB he's been.

 

Yeah it's not too late. He could go the Matt Stafford route if we can't get him across the finish line here. I remember when Stafford was known as an overrated QB who couldn't get Detroit deep into the playoffs. Naturally he won a Super Bowl as soon as he got with a legit franchise and this year he's an MVP candidate. His legacy was cemented by a change in his circumstances. Of course I hope with Allen that change happens here. I'm not sure Pegula is ruthless enough to do what's necessary.