AROUND THE NFL: Oct. 26. (Please limit Bills discussion to the pertinent threads)

[Mr. WEO]

It's amazing how one franchise has hit on 3 QBs in a row over 34 years.

 

Meanwhile you have teams like Cleveland and Jets....since 1991, they have started a combined over 50 QBs.  They have drafted 8 1st round QBs.

[Gregg]

Most of the games yesterday sucked. Just about every game was a blowout. The best game of the day was the Jets - Bengals game.

[Andrew Son]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

It's amazing how one franchise has hit on 3 QBs in a row over 34 years.

 

Meanwhile you have teams like Cleveland and Jets....since 1991, they have started a combined over 50 QBs.  They have drafted 8 1st round QBs.

It's not simply hitting or missing.  Cleveland had Baker and the Jets had Darnold.  Even Geno put together a nice run prior to this year.

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think they always end up with a terrible qb sometimes through no fault of their own so it always seems like Tomlin is getting the most out of his talent but im not sure that he is tbh 

 

this year the defense has been bad on top of the offense who added Rodgers,DK, and Jonnu smith not being very good either.  It made sense for Tomlin to get the benefit of the doubt up to this year but I’m not really sure where they go from here if they don’t crack that 9 or 10 win threshold/first round playoff exit 

 

of course it's their fault--and a lot of it has to be on Tomlin.  They had 1 GM for 21 years--and they had Big Ben for much of that.  SInce BR rertired they've had Khan and the results at QB are what they are.  No way Tomlin's not signing of on every QB acquisition since.  He runs that organization, essentially.

20 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

It's not simply hitting or missing.  Cleveland had Baker and the Jets had Darnold.  Even Geno put together a nice run prior to this year.

 

2 of 8 of 50.  That's missing over and over. And it also goes the basic incompetence of those organizations to squander those picks (now starring elsewhere).

 

Geno has seen the clock strike midnight.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

of course it's their fault--and a lot of it has to be on Tomlin.  They had 1 GM for 21 years--and they had Big Ben for much of that.  SInce BR rertired they've had Khan and the results at QB are what they are.  No way Tomlin's not signing of on every QB acquisition since.  He runs that organization, essentially.

Yea I was being kinder than I should’ve been probably haha can’t really disagree.  

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I don't follow the Steelers closely enough to know but it's not my sense that the Steelers shortcomings are due to Tomlin.

 

He's "only" the Head Coach. Kevin Colbert was GM and Omar Khan is now.

 

Tomlin isn't in charge of building the roster and I think talent-wise, he's gotten the most out of them. From what I see the players respect him and play hard for him. When did they underachieve their talent?

 

JMO.

 

 

I think that the Steelers as an organization may not value QBs as high as they should.  I think they value defense more than they do offense even as the NFL has morphed into a passing league.  Moreover, until this season, they seemed reluctant to trade assets to acquire better offensive talent.  They were content to "let the draft come to them", which isn't the best way to acquire a franchise QB.

 

Their current situation is not unlike what they went through after Bradshaw was done.  They went 20+ years between Bradshaw's last season and Ben Roethlisberger's rookie year in 2004.  During that time they survived and made the playoffs with some regularity with QBs like Bubby Brister, Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell and Tommy Maddox as their QB.  It may take them another 20 years to find Roethlisberger's replacement, especially since there are more teams today.

 

2 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

It's not simply hitting or missing.  Cleveland had Baker and the Jets had Darnold.  Even Geno put together a nice run prior to this year.

 

What is worse than missing on a franchise QB?   It's gotta be kicking a first round QB to the curb and then seeing him go on to the kind of success that Mayfield and Darnold have had.

 

 

[Dr Krentist]

20 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

Garrett is fuming on the Browns sideline.

 

Good. I don't feel bad for him at all. He took the money and now he's upset they suck?