Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Well then, he's gotta go. You can't win in this violent sport with a bunch of milk drinkers. That's probably my biggest complaint about McDermott. It's his job as an NFL head coach to manage those personalities. So when things went out of control with Diggs, that's on him. Now he wants to avoid those types of personalities, even to the point of making it a major point in draft decisions? You can't build a team like that. 

i very much agree

 

 'culture' and 'locker room' and all those feel-good ways of saying we have a nice group of guys who enjoy playing football together does nothing for me. never has

 

if it gets results, great. if it doesn't, do something else. but ffs stop pretending ***** like being a family or growth mindset matter more than trying to win a super bowl

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

Falls back on the defense. If they can't stop anybody, Josh is in a pressure cooker to score points. That game got away from them quick. It's hard to establish teh run and have a balanced offense if the defense can't get stops. Yes, Josh is struggling, yes we need more speed, but the problem is, and has mostly always been in the Josh period, the defense. Pointing at you HC. 

[Low Positive]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i very much agree

 

 'culture' and 'locker room' and all those feel-good ways of saying we have a nice group of guys who enjoy playing football together does nothing for me. never has

 

if it gets results, great. if it doesn't, do something else. but ffs stop pretending ***** like being a family or growth mindset matter more than trying to win a super bowl

 

 

And I don't believe all that "love ya" family stuff would survive a sustained losing streak. If they lose in Carolina and to KC at home to fall to .500 with a 4-game losing streak, the wheels will start to come off this bus. I hope that I don't see that.

 

Just as an example, two years ago the Eagles went on a season-ending losing streak after their OT victory over the Bills. They almost fired Siriani, but instead they forced him to fire his hand-picked staff. Roseman hired the new staff, and made Siriani a CEO type with little control over the offensive or defensive sceme or play callling. We all know what happened next. But that can't happen here, because our org chart is all messed up with McDermott having hired Beane. I don't know what to do, but this team feels stale and needs a shot of energy in the worst way. 

[CincyBillsFan]

51 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Not for nothing, outside of the 4th quarter of the Ravens game and the 1st quarter of the Pats game, this might be the worst we have seen Josh in years.   He has had a few drives here and there where it looked good, but for the most part, he has not been himself this year.   I think he came in with the “everyone eats” thing being ok in his mind and he has lost faith in it.  He’s pressing bc the WRs aren’t worth a damn and teams have started to key on Cook.   That’s my armchair evaluation anyway.   JA is an intelligent guy, he sees the garbage around him and there’s no way he wants to run these dumbass sweeps on crucial plays.  The defense is a joke and he obviously knows that.  I don’t see how he wouldn’t be questioning everything and pressing to try to win it himself.

Allen has the same look on the sidelines knowing the D can't stop the other team that Rogers had last night watching his D unable to stop the Bengal's.  I've also seen both Mahomes and Jackson with that look this year in games where their D's were struggling to stop the opponent.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by CincyBillsFan

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen has the same look on the sidelines knowing the D can't stop the other team that Rogers had last night watching his D unable to stop the Bengal's.  I've also seen both Mahomes and Jackson with that look this year in games where their D's were struggling to stop the opponent.

 

 

The D made stop after stop in the 2nd half giving Allen the ball several times down one score, all while giving up a grand total of 3 points.

[muppy]

54 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i very much agree

 

 'culture' and 'locker room' and all those feel-good ways of saying we have a nice group of guys who enjoy playing football together does nothing for me. never has

 

if it gets results, great. if it doesn't, do something else. but ffs stop pretending ***** like being a family or growth mindset matter more than trying to win a super bowl

 

 

BOOM mate  This is a STRONG post. Powerful

 

it says a lot in few words.  I wish I was able to be so concise and weighty with few words.

 

I like this post. Because it is a truth I never heard put quite that way before.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by muppy

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Andrew Son said:

The D made stop after stop in the 2nd half giving Allen the ball several times down one score, all while giving up a grand total of 3 points.

By then it was to late the damage was done and Allen had to be thinking that at any point the D would collapse again. The defenses performance in the first half was beyond bad.  We all saw a guy miss scoring a 50 yard TD on a short pass at the end of the half by 6 freaking inches.  The Bills gave up 335 yards.  Sorry but the whole team including the coaches had to be shell shocked at half time.

 

 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

i very much agree

 

 'culture' and 'locker room' and all those feel-good ways of saying we have a nice group of guys who enjoy playing football together does nothing for me. never has

 

if it gets results, great. if it doesn't, do something else. but ffs stop pretending ***** like being a family or growth mindset matter more than trying to win a super bowl

 

 

 

I heard a comment from Josh twice now. Something like "we are done having a superbowl or bust expectations. There are no expectations this year..." McD is literally coaching the dawg out of guys that actually might have some.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I heard a comment from Josh twice now. Something like "we are done having a superbowl or bust expectations. There are no expectations this year..." McD is literally coaching the dawg out of guys that actually might have some.

dawkins has been saying the same for years now

 

it's like the entire squad has stockholm syndrome

[Low Positive]

Let's take a look at the failed shovel pass play. Like so many key plays in this game, the Bills lost this one at the LoS before the snap. Here is what Josh saw just before the ball was snapped. What will happen is that CB AJ Terrell (circled in blue) will blitz, while EDGE/OLB Jalon Walker (circled in red) will drop into coverage. There is nothing to indicate that this is what will happen from how they're lined up.

 

 

Obviously, nobody anticipated this, because what ends up happening is that Terrell comes as a free rusher because Knox doesn't pick him up, while Dawkins stands there with no one to block because Walker (his guy) dropped into coverage. FWIW, the play was always to Ty Johnson.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Sojourner said:

Run checks are exclusively that. It does work like that. They are built in for you to CHECK the side that better suits defensive alignment. High school football… HIGH SCHOOL. Has 3 and sometimes 4 checks. Every run play has a mirror call, but you knew that already. 

No one is stating that run checks don't exist. We are stating that your example is not correct.
 

This is the play and formation (below) where you wanted Allen to check to the right:



The QB is going to walk up to the LOS and divide the defensive box into halves. I have made them into orange and yellow boxes for convenience. He sees 4 defenders on the right and 4 on the left. This is an even box.



The WR goes in motion for the sole purpose of drawing either the left CB or left LB to follow him, making it only 3 defenders on that side of the field:



The left CB, as planned, does start to follow the motion WR but quickly recovers and goes back toward the ballcarrier when he see's its a run. Keon, being oblivious to this fact, does not block this CB. He also doesn't chip the DE like he is supposed to, barely getting a single hand on him:



Keon, having done absolutely NOTHING to help, moves on to the second level to block literal AIR, and Edwards, who was slow off the ball, puts both of his hands into Dion's back instead of engaging the DE. McGovern is meanwhile being stiff armed to the face and overpowered.



Everyone in red (below) completely misses their blocks, dooming the play. Not because of the direction, but because they suck at football. 



 

Summary: NO, this play should NOT have gone to the other side. It was called properly and Allen diagnosed the defense properly. It would have been a huge gain if the O-line and Keon simply made their blocks.
 

 

1 hour ago, Sojourner said:

Everyone is a viable target. Hence the rule of progressions, checks and route combinations. 

No, NOT everyone is a viable target. Progressions and pressure, for one. But also, Joe Brady has talked in depth about how his offense has receivers whose only job is to clear out or draw attention away from where the play is meant to go, and just because they are open is not meant as an indication for Josh to go there... that they set up plays for later, etc.
 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

Given that this seems to be a yearly thing for the team, could it be that we get a good record out of the gate and then coaching says "lets do some experimenting since we have some leeway to see what works and what doesnt" and thus they get the mid season lull? It just seems so odd to me that this happens all the time. 

 

I think the correct explanation is that this is the time of year when teams are adjusting what they do and are finding holes to attack on their opponents' film. Our coaching staff apparently does neither of those things which would explain why we always lose a couple games at the same time of year. You can copy and paste that explanation for our annual playoff failures too.

 

As recently as last year my take on McDermott was that he was a good coach but not great enough to elevate the team to a championship. I'm starting to question that. I'm starting to wonder if he's flat out a bad coach in all respects other than establishing team chemistry.

[GoBills808]

15 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Let's take a look at the failed shovel pass play. Like so many key plays in this game, the Bills lost this one at the LoS before the snap. Here is what Josh saw just before the ball was snapped. What will happen is that CB AJ Terrell (circled in blue) will blitz, while EDGE/OLB Jalon Walker (circled in red) will drop into coverage. There is nothing to indicate that this is what will happen from how they're lined up.

 

 

Obviously, nobody anticipated this, because what ends up happening is that Terrell comes as a free rusher because Knox doesn't pick him up, while Dawkins stands there with no one to block because Walker (his guy) dropped into coverage. FWIW, the play was always to Ty Johnson.

it had to be on knox imo

 

it's 4th and 2. your man is blitzing, you're hot...and he just runs into coverage, never settles or even turns his head

 

allen is looking straight at him, probably in disbelief lol

 

 

 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

it had to be on knox imo

 

it's 4th and 2. your man is blitzing, you're hot...and he just runs into coverage, never settles or even turns his head

 

allen is looking straight at him, probably in disbelief lol

 

 

 

But then why is Dawkins standing there like an idiot with no one to block right after the snap? It happened on the 2nd quarter sack too, when Spencer Brown was standing there with his pee pee in his hand with nobody to block while two free rushers were closing on Josh on the other side of the play. Nobody from Brady to Josh Allen seems to have any idea where the blitz would come from all night. Ulbricht called one heck of a game. And just to check, I looked at key downs in both the Carolina and Washington games and I cannot find examples of them blitzing a corner and dropping a DE into coverage. Looks like they pulled it out for this game, and the Bills couldn't adjust. Too bad, because the game was winnable into the 4th quarter, and the season would feel entirely different if they had pulled that one out. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

But then why is Dawkins standing there like an idiot with no one to block right after the snap? It happened on the 2nd quarter sack too, when Spencer Brown was standing there with his pee pee in his hand with nobody to block while two free rushers were closing on Josh on the other side of the play. Nobody from Brady to Josh Allen seems to have any idea where the blitz would come from all night. Ulbricht called one heck of a game. And just to check, I looked at key downs in both the Carolina and Washington games and I cannot find examples of them blitzing a corner and dropping a DE into coverage. Looks like they pulled it out for this game, and the Bills couldn't adjust. Too bad, because the game was winnable into the 4th quarter, and the season would feel entirely different if they had pulled that one out. 

we may be talking about different plays here

 

the failed 4th down shovel to Johnson the blitz came from Brown's side and he rerouted the LB...both the LB and the DB came and he naturally couldn't get to the DB

[GoBills808]

@Low Positive

if you watch Allen he is looking playside right at the snap. so he knows the DE dropped out and I think that's why he immediately snaps his head to MoF where Knox is likely to be hot

[Low Positive]

No, I'm talking about two plays. The other one was a sack at 12:43 in the second quarter where they somehow got two free rushers while one OL (Brown) just stood there because his guy dropped into coverage. In both cases, the protection wasn't set to pick up the blitz. 

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

No, I'm talking about two plays. The other one was a sack at 12:43 in the second quarter where they somehow got two free rushers while one OL (Brown) just stood there because his guy dropped into coverage. In both cases, the protection wasn't set to pick up the blitz. 

ok i was only talking about the 4th down shovel to Johnson and i think protection there is fine tbh. Knox is hot and doesn't realize it is all

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

@Low Positive

if you watch Allen he is looking playside right at the snap. so he knows the DE dropped out and I think that's why he immediately snaps his head to MoF where Knox is likely to be hot

Looked at it again, from the endzone view. He looks at Johnson first, who doesn't turn around. If that had been a screen to him it would have worked. Then he looks back to the middle, where if Knox had just turned around he would have had the first but as you pointed out he ran right into coverage. Then he takes off because he's got a free rusher. If Knox picks up that corner blitz, the play to Johnson works for more than the first. If Knox turns around, they get the first. Everything went wrong that could. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

Looked at it again, from the endzone view. He looks at Johnson first, who doesn't turn around. If that had been a screen to him it would have worked. Then he looks back to the middle, where if Knox had just turned around he would have had the first but as you pointed out he ran right into coverage. Then he takes off because he's got a free rusher. If Knox picks up that corner blitz, the play to Johnson works for more than the first. If Knox turns around, they get the first. Everything went wrong that could. 

yeah he's reading playside DE dropping out i'm pretty sure, i don't think he's expecting johnson (who isn't even looking back yet) available yet

 

then goes thru his progression...so for knox i don't know if he has an option to stay home in blitz pickup but i do know he needs to know that he's hot there.