Did we already miss the window with Josh

[Governor]

He needs a new HC, a new direction, to bring back some excitement. This will become clear to most in the coming weeks. This team is very stale this season.

[T.E.]

10 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

To assume Allen is playing in his late 30‘s is crazy to me. It might happen. It just as easily could be 35. He will be a billionaire by then. Probably with kids and a wife that would rather he hangs it up. Beaten body probably falling apart. Appreciate this now, it could change quick.

It wouldn't shock me if he retired in the next couple of years. I think he might do it after this year if they somehow won the Super Bowl.

[Governor]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

That's why I still don't understand why there is McDermott Defense Force existing on this forum. Boggles our minds. We have plenty of evidence to fire him.

“A Super Bowl caliber defense” said no one ever in the McD era.

 

 

[BillsSbSoon]

On 10/15/2025 at 10:27 AM, mjt328 said:

 

Older folks here can probably remember the good old 90s Bills.

 

That team exploded on the scene in 1988.  Packed full of future Hall of Famers, and a revolutionary new offense.  Finished with a 12-4 record, first division win in 8 seasons and made it all the way to the AFC Championship game.  Two years later, the Bills were playing in their first Super Bowl.  Of course they ended up going to four straight.

 

Then suddenly it was over.  The 1994 season saw the O-Line fall to pieces, Jim Kelly suffer a season-ending knee injury and Thurman Thomas hit the downside of his career.  That team barely mustered up two more playoff births, but they were never serious Super Bowl contenders again.  Kelly retired after the 1996 season, setting off a downslide that took over 20 years to turn around.

 

Two decade runs like Tom Brady are by far the exception.  Not the norm.  I would like to believe we get prime Josh Allen for another 5-6 years.  But there are already signs that maybe he's lost a step running the ball.  And even if he's still physically able to do certain things, there may be a point where he's reluctant to keep doing them.  And if we can't pull off a Super Bowl run when he's at his peak, why would we do it when he's past his prime?

 

Where are the signs that he’s lost a step running? I’m not disagreeing with you, I just haven’t really seen that. I think he’s a little more hesitant and we’re not calling as many designed runs for him. Which is a good thing, that’s what most logical people wanted so he would have a longer career. 

Edited Thursday at 03:28 PM by BillsSbSoon

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

31 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Agreed, we may need to get worse before better... they need to get rid of some of these players they are paying a ton of cap money too that are not even remotely producing... Samuel for starters...  Rapp... 3 or 4mm for Tre, Jones,  too early to part ways with Rousseau and Oliver but I am not sure they are worth their contracts... Ed has looked better in the 1 or 2 games he played... bottom line is lots of Cminus to Cplus players getting paid like B or Bplus players... thats never good... 

 

Next year you probably lose

 

Knox - 7.4M Dead cap to cut.  

Bosa - 7.2M Dead cap in void money.  This can be spread out if you extend him.

Jones - 3.7M Dead cap in void money.

Milano - 11M Dead cap in void money

Ogunjobi - 2.5M Dead cap in void money

Epenesa - 2.8M Dead cap in void money

McGovern - 4.8M Dead cap in void money

Total is 39.4M in dead money from voided contract years

 

Then the likely releases

Rapp - 666k in dead cap so he should be gone

Knox - 7.4M in dead cap for 10M in savings.  No brainer.

Samuel - 3.5M in dead cap for 6M in savings.  Also a no brainer.  

Then the free agents (of note)

Edwards - Starter whos paid alright and might finally chase a big contract.

Trubiskey - I can take him or leave him, but the team will need a new backup QB.

White - Meh

Moore - Meh

Lewis - Meh

Thompson - Surprisingly not meh.  He should not be an every day option, but he's been solid as a depth contributor and seems to play well under McDermott.  

 

So all-in about 50M in dead cap.  Not good, but not as bad is it looks either.  

 

IMO the biggest holes will be - 

LG - Edwards is a UFA, and will get paid by someone who's probably not buffalo.  

C - McGovern could see an extension, especially if they want to use anderson at LG.  

WR - Not saying use a first, but its a challenge to pay market rates annually.  Team really needs some speed on the boundary.  

WLB - Milano's injury history, and some less than stellar drafting has made this a problem.  

1T - Jones is 35.  I know this position can play into their 30s but its probably time for a change

S - Rapp stinks, get another young player in here and a real vet.

DE - Likely where they'll spend money again.  Jackson HAS to be able to at least replace epenesa.  

 

Edited Thursday at 03:31 PM by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Buffalo Ballin]

15 minutes ago, Governor said:

“A Super Bowl caliber defense” said no one ever in the McD era.

 

 

 

?? Are you defending McDermott? We don't understand what you wrote.

[Governor]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

?? Are you defending McDermott? We don't understand what you wrote.

He needed to be gone years ago. Each year that we wait shrinks the amount of time a new HC has to win a SB with Josh. He has to still have some trade value at the end. 
 

The new HC should get 2 seasons to transform this roster from a high/character low ceiling roster to one that’s highly skilled and SB caliber. It won’t be easy. If he can’t, you have to trade Josh and let him purge the roster. The longer we wait, the harder it gets.

Edited Thursday at 04:01 PM by Governor

[8BallSippin]

15 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

 

The Rams found a top 10 receiver in the later rounds. The Colts get a stud TE at 14th overall. Skattebo was fourth round. The 49ers got Warner in the third round.

 

I'm not debating it's tough to find late round gems. But these other teams find ways to draft huge difference makers. So if they are finding ways, what's Beane's excuse?

 

 

 

 

 

It kind of feels like we pull in guys who can "play the game of football", and have high character.  While the character thing is important, football is a game of a play or two each time you take the field, that means wins or losses.  The edge is having as many game changers across the roster as possible.  Beane's roster strikes me as 50+ guys of which maybe 2 are pro bowlers, the rest guys who fill a roster spot.  I think we still draft for stability, which I think when Allen was a rook and we had 20+ seasons of non playoffs football was valuable to changing a losing culture.... but we've moved past that, we need more playmakers, and I think Beane and McD just aren't those guys.  

 

This team, these systems, this roster, frankly, its boring.

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Next year you probably lose

 

Knox - 7.4M Dead cap to cut.  

Bosa - 7.2M Dead cap in void money.  This can be spread out if you extend him.

Jones - 3.7M Dead cap in void money.

Milano - 11M Dead cap in void money

Ogunjobi - 2.5M Dead cap in void money

Epenesa - 2.8M Dead cap in void money

McGovern - 4.8M Dead cap in void money

Total is 39.4M in dead money from voided contract years

 

Then the likely releases

Rapp - 666k in dead cap so he should be gone

Knox - 7.4M in dead cap for 10M in savings.  No brainer.

Samuel - 3.5M in dead cap for 6M in savings.  Also a no brainer.  

Then the free agents (of note)

Edwards - Starter whos paid alright and might finally chase a big contract.

Trubiskey - I can take him or leave him, but the team will need a new backup QB.

White - Meh

Moore - Meh

Lewis - Meh

Thompson - Surprisingly not meh.  He should not be an every day option, but he's been solid as a depth contributor and seems to play well under McDermott.  

 

So all-in about 50M in dead cap.  Not good, but not as bad is it looks either.  

 

IMO the biggest holes will be - 

LG - Edwards is a UFA, and will get paid by someone who's probably not buffalo.  

C - McGovern could see an extension, especially if they want to use anderson at LG.  

WR - Not saying use a first, but its a challenge to pay market rates annually.  Team really needs some speed on the boundary.  

WLB - Milano's injury history, and some less than stellar drafting has made this a problem.  

1T - Jones is 35.  I know this position can play into their 30s but its probably time for a change

S - Rapp stinks, get another young player in here and a real vet.

DE - Likely where they'll spend money again.  Jackson HAS to be able to at least replace epenesa.  

 

Thank you for this... but after your dead cap hits... 2027 looks much better

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Thank you for this... but after your dead cap hits... 2027 looks much better

 

The dead cap hits aren't as bad as they sound.  The current dead hit is like 0, but we're pushing close to the cap so it'll be hard to extend all the voided guys.

 

There's enough meat on the bones on some of these contracts to create space in 2026, and then continuing to borrow against future caps.  It's sort of what every team with a highly paid QB has to do, or you end up gutting the roster.  

[JP51]

15 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

The dead cap hits aren't as bad as they sound.  The current dead hit is like 0, but we're pushing close to the cap so it'll be hard to extend all the voided guys.

 

There's enough meat on the bones on some of these contracts to create space in 2026, and then continuing to borrow against future caps.  It's sort of what every team with a highly paid QB has to do, or you end up gutting the roster.  

Two things I am not... a cap guru or a draftink...  thanks for this

[DeepPass]

54 minutes ago, 8BallSippin said:

 

 

 

It kind of feels like we pull in guys who can "play the game of football", and have high character.  While the character thing is important, football is a game of a play or two each time you take the field, that means wins or losses.  The edge is having as many game changers across the roster as possible.  Beane's roster strikes me as 50+ guys of which maybe 2 are pro bowlers, the rest guys who fill a roster spot.  I think we still draft for stability, which I think when Allen was a rook and we had 20+ seasons of non playoffs football was valuable to changing a losing culture.... but we've moved past that, we need more playmakers, and I think Beane and McD just aren't those guys.  

 

This team, these systems, this roster, frankly, its boring.

Boring is a great term for our roster!!

[Gigs]

58 minutes ago, 8BallSippin said:

 

 

 

It kind of feels like we pull in guys who can "play the game of football", and have high character.  While the character thing is important, football is a game of a play or two each time you take the field, that means wins or losses.  The edge is having as many game changers across the roster as possible.  Beane's roster strikes me as 50+ guys of which maybe 2 are pro bowlers, the rest guys who fill a roster spot.  I think we still draft for stability, which I think when Allen was a rook and we had 20+ seasons of non playoffs football was valuable to changing a losing culture.... but we've moved past that, we need more playmakers, and I think Beane and McD just aren't those guys.  

 

This team, these systems, this roster, frankly, its boring.

Its the same but opposite with the Sabres. Donny Meatballs and McD were both locker room culture changing guys; one out stayed his purpose and the other wasnt given nearly as much time to fullfill his.

 

Pegula just doesnt know wtf hes doing lol. He got really lucky with JA. We need a coaching staff that will literally break knee caps to ensure we dont lose. Id rather we bring Belicheat in here and just steal a Superbowl. Do you think Pats fans have a hard time sleeping with 6 SB wins, regardless of how legit they are? Hardly...

[Billsflyer12]

On 10/14/2025 at 6:50 PM, 26TrapDraw said:

The espn article just popped up on YouTube labeled “ my wife taught me that I am more than just a football player” 

 

I watched in horror as the same look he has had on the sideline the last 2 weeks is the same one he had describing that his wife told him he’s more than just a football player…

 

it is over. It’s all over. Our window is done.

He also said in same interview a Super Bowl “will happen on Gods timing.”  I’ve thought we have been cooked with McBeene, but when I saw that ESPN interview Monday with Josh I knew we were totally now cooked.