SNF: Detroit @ Kansas City (no Bills stuff in this thread please)

[SaulGoodman]

4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I guess you didn’t watch the game? Trevor Lawrence threw a pick at like the 10 yard line where his WR got knocked clean off his feet when he went to make his cut.

 

Also there were other weird ref things in this game.

- Lawrence fumbled at the one inch line, (Not a bad call per se but lucky for the Chiefs bc the refs wouldn’t have overturned whatever the call was because it was so close).

- KC scored a TD on third down but had a flag for OPI (probably was a legit penalty, contact was 2-3 yards from the LOS). Mahomes yelled at the ref and then they picked up the flag. Terrible optics.

 

It isn’t just about raw flag count/yards. It’s about impact, and KC always seems to be on the right side of things.

 

Ah, that one. 

 

Which do you think is a stronger indicator of an agenda...a missed call or 15 flags?

 

Of course it "seems" like KC's always on the right side. Because every controversial call/no-call is magnified by millions of people, and every call that hurts the Chiefs is ignored/celebrated. You have to at least acknowledge a bias, right?

 

One of the best examples of hater bias was the game in ATL last year. Falcons had a chance to drive for the game-winning score and drew three huge calls on their final drive, at least two of which were weak. Penalty yds accounted for practically the entire drive. The post-game Twitter narrative? "Did you see that egregious no-call on Atlanta's 2nd to last drive?? Another obvious fix!!"

 

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

maybe this is why Branch was pissed off?

 

 

Mahomes certainly handles losses (like the Toney "Offside" game) well and maturely.

This is just bush league, but expected. These guys play dirty and then try to shake hands after the game? I love what branch did. Thankfully he isn’t on the Bills— but all of America can thank him! 

[90sBills]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

maybe this is why Branch was pissed off?

 

 

Mahomes certainly handles losses (like the Toney "Offside" game) well and maturely.

There’s no justification for punching another guy no matter what happened during a game. There’s some growing up that’s needed for anyone to think that’s ok. 
 

Yeah, that Toney Offside game was not a good moment for him for sure. But I don’t remember him punching anyone. Were there other instances that I’m missing?

[Bermuda Triangle]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This is just bush league, but expected. These guys play dirty and then try to shake hands after the game? I love what branch did. Thankfully he isn’t on the Bills— but all of America can thank him! 

Mind you, this was late in the game as well, and nowhere near the point of attack or ball carrier.

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

I didn't hear them defend it. I'm pretty sure they all agreed it wasn't a catch. 

The in house ref on the broadcast said it would’ve been upheld if reviewed. KC didn’t think it was a catch. That’s why they rushed the next play. Kudos to them for not giving Det time to challenge. That was most definitely NOT a catch. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

There’s no justification for punching another guy no matter what happened during a game. There’s some growing up that’s needed for anyone to think that’s ok. 
 

Yeah, that Toney Offside game was not a good moment for him for sure. But I don’t remember him punching anyone. Were there other instances that I’m missing?

Justified? No.  But if I take a cheap shot at a player late in a game which has essentially been decided, I'm going to keep my head on a swivel, and not expect to get "dapped" up following the game by the guy I just cheap shotted a few minutes earlier. But nobody has accused Smith Shuster of having any self-awareness.

 

I'm not aware of Mahomes punching anyone (maybe in part because he knows he might get punched back?) while in the NFL.  He comes off as a petulant whiner - its; easy to be graceful in victory, and the Chiefs have won a lot since he's been in the league.

[90sBills]

18 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Justified? No.  But if I take a cheap shot at a player late in a game which has essentially been decided, I'm going to keep my head on a swivel, and not expect to get "dapped" up following the game by the guy I just cheap shotted a few minutes earlier. But nobody has accused Smith Shuster of having any self-awareness.

 

I'm not aware of Mahomes punching anyone (maybe in part because he knows he might get punched back?) while in the NFL.  He comes off as a petulant whiner - its; easy to be graceful in victory, and the Chiefs have won a lot since he's been in the league.

Sure sounds like you’re justifying it.

[Bermuda Triangle]

5 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Sure sounds like you’re justifying it.

It's just common sense that actions have repercussions. 

 

[90sBills]

24 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

It's just common sense that actions have repercussions. 

 

Exactly. That’s why Branch will be fined and possibly suspended. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

Exactly. That’s why Branch will be fined and possibly suspended. 

I'm sure that Branch will be fined, at a minimum.  Smith Shuster will be fined as well.

 

However, I'd be surprised if Mahomes was reprimanded for his actions, despite the NFL proclaiming in the off-season that taunting would be a point of emphasis for the 2025 season.

[SaulGoodman]

 

29 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

It's just common sense that actions have repercussions. 

 

 

Remember when Allen threw the ball at a Chiefs player several years ago? If a KC player had gotten up and punched him, would you have said "actions have consequences?"

 

What about the time he pointed and taunted a Bengals player a few years back? Did it vs the Dolphins once too. Is that bad, or only if Mahomes does it?

 

 

[Buffalo4Life01]

3 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

 

Remember when Allen threw the ball at a Chiefs player several years ago? If a KC player had gotten up and punched him, would you have said "actions have consequences?"

 

What about the time he pointed and taunted a Bengals player a few years back? Did it vs the Dolphins once too. Is that bad, or only if Mahomes does it?

 

 

Only if Mahomes does it. 

[Johnnycage46]

3 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

 

Remember when Allen threw the ball at a Chiefs player several years ago? If a KC player had gotten up and punched him, would you have said "actions have consequences?"

 

What about the time he pointed and taunted a Bengals player a few years back? Did it vs the Dolphins once too. Is that bad, or only if Mahomes does it?

 

 

Allen got flagged for both the KC ball throw and the Cincy taunt while scoring. Nobody punched Mahomes. Branch hit Schuster because of some in-game beef. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

 

Remember when Allen threw the ball at a Chiefs player several years ago? If a KC player had gotten up and punched him, would you have said "actions have consequences?"

 

What about the time he pointed and taunted a Bengals player a few years back? Did it vs the Dolphins once too. Is that bad, or only if Mahomes does it?

 

 

Do you honestly feel like these examples are the same as delivering a cheap shot to a player?  

 

Allen is a known trash-talker - his peers have stated as much.  He was flagged for taunting the Bengals, BTW.  I don't remember the Miami taunt.  

[SaulGoodman]

14 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Do you honestly feel like these examples are the same as delivering a cheap shot to a player?  

 

Allen is a known trash-talker - his peers have stated as much.  He was flagged for taunting the Bengals, BTW.  I don't remember the Miami taunt.  

 

The point is that you don't see KC fans (or other fanbases) judging Allen for that years after the fact. 

 

I brought up the taunt because people are berating Mahomes for pointing at a player, despite Allen doing the same exact thing on multiple occasions. People also accuse Mahomes of flopping, while hand-waving the fact that Allen is one of the most blatant floppers you'll find. 

 

I'm not saying this to disparage Allen. I don't dislike Allen. The point is it's ridiculous to paint Mahomes as classless, petulant, or whatever. He's been the epitome of class in every interaction w/ the media and fans over his entire career. 

[Buffalo4Life01]

3 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

The point is that you don't see KC fans (or other fanbases) judging Allen for that years after the fact. 

 

I brought up the taunt because people are berating Mahomes for pointing at a player, despite Allen doing the same exact thing on multiple occasions. People also accuse Mahomes of flopping, while hand-waving the fact that Allen is one of the most blatant floppers you'll find. 

 

I'm not saying this to disparage Allen. I don't dislike Allen. The point is it's ridiculous to paint Mahomes as classless, petulant, or whatever. He's been the epitome of class in every interaction w/ the media and fans over his entire career. 

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

Just now, SaulGoodman said:

 

The point is that you don't see KC fans (or other fanbases) judging Allen for that years after the fact. 

 

I brought up the taunt because people are berating Mahomes for pointing at a player, despite Allen doing the same exact thing on multiple occasions. People also accuse Mahomes of flopping, while hand-waving the fact that Allen is one of the most blatant floppers you'll find. 

 

I'm not saying this to disparage Allen. I don't dislike Allen. The point is it's ridiculous to paint Mahomes as classless, petulant, or whatever. He's been the epitome of class in every interaction w/ the media and fans over his entire career. 

I don't really pay attention to what KC fans think or say.  

 

My point was that Mahomes should have been flagged for the taunt (it was not just a point - he flexed at Branch, but you know this) - the NFL has specifically said that taunting was going to be a point of emphasis in 2025.  So, what happened here?

 

I'm done here - now back to the Mahomes Lovefest.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

11 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

I don't really pay attention to what KC fans think or say.  

 

My point was that Mahomes should have been flagged for the taunt (it was not just a point - he flexed at Branch, but you know this) - the NFL has specifically said that taunting was going to be a point of emphasis in 2025.  So, what happened here?

 

I'm done here - now back to the Mahomes Lovefest.

Not only should Mahomes been flagged. But his taunting was bad form. Yeah, other guys talk trash out there. But flexing on a guy specifically like Branch wasn’t the kind of trash talk that is done in good fun.
 

That’s why Branch wasn’t in the mood to shake his hand. You don’t see that with Josh, when all these guys who were trash talking during the game are laughing after the game. 
 

it’s also why Mahomes’s post-game outburst re the Toney penalty a few years back showed his true colors. Dude is a sore loser, and a phony. 
 

[SaulGoodman]

9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Not only should Mahomes been flagged. But his taunting was bad form. Yeah, other guys talk trash out there. But flexing on a guy specifically like Branch wasn’t the kind of trash talk that is done in good fun.
 

That’s why Branch wasn’t in the mood to shake his hand. You don’t see that with Josh, when all these guys who were trash talking during the game are laughing after the game. 
 

it’s also why Mahomes’s post-game outburst re the Toney penalty a few years back showed his true colors. Dude is a sore loser, and a phony. 
 

 

Yeah, the guy who has consistently been fined for this kind of behavior is a victim. It's clearly everybody else's fault. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by SaulGoodman

[RobbRiddick]

10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Not only should Mahomes been flagged. But his taunting was bad form. Yeah, other guys talk trash out there. But flexing on a guy specifically like Branch wasn’t the kind of trash talk that is done in good fun.
 

That’s why Branch wasn’t in the mood to shake his hand. You don’t see that with Josh, when all these guys who were trash talking during the game are laughing after the game. 
 

it’s also why Mahomes’s post-game outburst re the Toney penalty a few years back showed his true colors. Dude is a sore loser, and a phony. 
 

Yeah, I can't stand him. I wish Reid would retire so we can see how he does without the best offensive play caller in history drawing up wide open wrs for him. 

 

since we're on the subject I might as well throw bitterness, erm, criticism at kelce who is so deeply unlikable that I punched a Taylor swift fan last week. thankfully she was only 11 years old so couldn't fight back