Snap counts on offense

[GoBills808]

34 minutes ago, MJS said:

Shakir is in the slot. Slot players don't play as much.

 

The fact is, we don't have a receiver worthy of being out there 80% of the time.

Thanks for providing the evidence. Most people just say things that they figure are true without actually doing the homework to back it up.

like 'slot players don't play as much' 😂😂

 

[harmonkillebrew]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

100% agree with OP.

Also no more Shavers on the field. Let Coleman block for the run game. 

When Gabe is healthy I hope they cut Shavers and play Gabe as WR#4

What was Shavers' snap count?  He's a nice story and all, but why is actually on the field and is that the best we can do?

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

What was Shavers' snap count?  He's a nice story and all, but why is actually on the field and is that the best we can do?

hes on the field for about 23% of offensive plays

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

hes on the field for about 23% of offensive plays

That is offensive to be honest. He's a PS level player for most teams. I get it that often times those are run plays. But that means you are really telegraphic your play calls. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

7 hours ago, SunDSolar said:

Coleman 70%

Shakir 61%

Knox 52%

Kincaid 49%

Palmer 48%

 

Can we stop with the constant personal changes.  No team in the league does this

 

Shakir and Kincaid should be in the game well over 80% of the time. 

 

61% & 49% is insane for our two best surehanded pass catchers

 

That is incorrect. The teams that play the most games rotate their WRs/TEs. 
 

Go look up the snap counts for 2024 Philly, Washington, Buffalo, and KC. 

[ALLinALLEN]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

That is incorrect. The teams that play the most games rotate their WRs/TEs. 
 

Go look up the snap counts for 2024 Philly, Washington, Buffalo, and KC. 

Actually, he's right minus KC. Philly, Wash, Det, Cincy....etc....(what he posted earlier) their #1-#2 guys play consistently at over 85%

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, ALLinALLEN said:

Actually, he's right minus KC. Philly, Wash, Det, Cincy....etc....(what he posted earlier) their #1-#2 guys play consistently at over 85%

 

 

 

 

 

 

This year or last year?

 

This year, yes in a 5 game sample size.

 

The 20+ game sample size is much different. 

[ALLinALLEN]

Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said:

This year or last year?

 

This year, yes in a 5 game sample size.

 

The 20+ game sample size is much different. 

No, the entire year 2024. You can look for yourself here - Snap Counts by Team - Footballguys

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said:

No, the entire year 2024. You can look for yourself here - Snap Counts by Team - Footballguys

Thank you, I will check this out! If I am wrong, then I take back what I said

[ALLinALLEN]

16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Thank you, I will check this out! If I am wrong, then I take back what I said

There are certainly teams that "rotate" as you say, but they are mainly teams that don't have a true Number 1 (KC for example, except even Kelce was at 90%+).

 

Most teams are playing their WR1+2 at over 90%

[nedboy7]

This idea that the Bills dont care if the opposition knows what they are going to do and they are going to out execute them is starting to wear thin.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

16 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

There are certainly teams that "rotate" as you say, but they are mainly teams that don't have a true Number 1 (KC for example, except even Kelce was at 90%+).

 

Most teams are playing their WR1+2 at over 90%

I will say, I think the Bills are built to be a TE focused team and Kincaid should start to see those snap counts rise. I hope. 

[gobills404]

8 hours ago, SunDSolar said:

61% & 49% is insane for our two best surehanded pass catchers

Because we’re a run heavy team with two great blocking TEs in Hawes and Knox. Shakir and Kincaid have played 77% and 61% of the passing snaps respectively. I’d like to see Kincaid’s number tick up but it’s not as bad as the total snap counts make it seem.

[SunDSolar]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

That is incorrect. The teams that play the most games rotate their WRs/TEs. 
 

Go look up the snap counts for 2024 Philly, Washington, Buffalo, and KC. 

 

Ok so 2024

 

PHI- Brown 82% Smith 88%

WAS- Mclaurin 82% Ertz 67% 

KC- Kelce 85% <--id say rice would have easily get 85+

[TheyCallMeAndy]

19 minutes ago, SunDSolar said:

 

Ok so 2024

 

PHI- Brown 82% Smith 88%

WAS- Mclaurin 82% Ertz 67% 

KC- Kelce 85% <--id say rice would have easily get 85+

This says otherwise PFR

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

This says otherwise PFR

pry sure that's counting games they were inactive

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Where did Cook land?

Agreed that's way too low for Kincaid, especially for how he's been performing.

 

Brady needs to learn when to make adjustments out of "everyone eats" when guys and plays are hot.

Yup, the mix / type of plays called on offense needs work, as does who is targeted when in the passing game, 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I think this is a great discussion point.

 

Its obvious Brady likes maneuvering personnel to try and exploit matchups. For all the ho-humming in this thread there probably isn’t enough credit given to them in how they’ve found combinations that take advantage of a defense. 
 

That said, I tend to agree with most here and think they’ve taken this chess game to the extreme and have started to out-smart themselves. When you have JA17, an explosive runner like cook, and some decent pass catch options, too often are we getting cute with rotating personnel trying to play “gotchya” 

 

It almost gives off the impression that we’re reliant on being multiple to have success, as opposed to having success because we evolve from play to play.

 

I’d like to see them continue with the varying personnel usage, but also try and limit it to a degree. Feel free to run your 13 personnel on for a play or two, bring in Gilliam for a snap or even go 5 wide with Ty Johnson. As long as we can find some success out of our “base” personnel (Cook, Kincaid, Shakir, Coleman, Palmer) with more regularity, they can sprinkle in the creative looks here and there. 
 

Enough of the Dawson Knox jet sweets like we’re KC running 2pt plays in the preseason.

[kitchen sink]

10 hours ago, SunDSolar said:

Coleman 70%

Shakir 61%

Knox 52%

Kincaid 49%

Palmer 48%

 

Can we stop with the constant personal changes.  No team in the league does this

 

Shakir and Kincaid should be in the game well over 80% of the time. 

 

61% & 49% is insane for our two best surehanded pass catchers

 

I understand your perspective on this, but I see the regular season as the practice season for the playoffs.

 

As such, I want the Bills to put as much on tape and try as much as they can during the regular season to see what really works and have options based on what an opponent rolls out. 

 

I think this makes the playoff Bills better and more difficult to predict for their playoff opponents. 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, kitchen sink said:

I understand your perspective on this, but I see the regular season as the practice season for the playoffs.

 

As such, I want the Bills to put as much on tape and try as much as they can during the regular season to see what really works and have options based on what an opponent rolls out. 

 

I think this makes the playoff Bills better and more difficult to predict for their playoff opponents. 

Making the playoffs are not a given. There have been two years during this run when they had to end the season on a 6-7 game winning streak just to get in. Remember that game when they almost got beat by Easton Stick in LA? That would have ended that season. How about when it took a Matt Ryan meltdown in Orchard Park just to get the chance to lose in 13 seconds? The Playoffs are not a given, especially with another good team in the division. The Bills need to get focused.