Roundybout Posted August 23 Posted August 23 7 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Lol arguing this ridiculousness with the man that’s advocated for tariffs. Yea we totally were voting for Adam Smith everybody. Dems. You’ve been out flanked. Now proceed on with your open embrace of 3rd world communism. It’s totally the same as the Trump admins intel deal. Lol lol. Good luck with that. Yes, raising taxes on Americans lowers the deficit. Good job. Gold star! 11 hours ago, JFKjr said: Does that make you happy, sad or enraged? Or triggered? I don’t particularly care, I just find it highly amusing that MAGA now supports the government owning the means of production. Whats the word for that?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 23 Posted August 23 The government owned a shitload of gm stock after the bailout. This has been done before. Trump does it and everyone goes nuts and chigoose calls us lemmings. Oh no. 1
SCBills Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The government owned a shitload of gm stock after the bailout. This has been done before. Trump does it and everyone goes nuts and chigoose calls us lemmings. Oh no. If you’re a conservative.. truly a conservative.. you generally should be against both of these things. But we don’t operate in that prism anymore. Trump has broken down the walls of political parties to the point Democrats are listening to Bush era officials on their tv every evening as they get mad about a raid on John Bolton… meanwhile Republicans, in large part, are cheering on tariffs and the govt owning equity stake in a business. People can act confused by this all they want, but it really just boils down to the idea that one party is right leaning, more socially conservative and fiscally populist with an appeal to traditional Americana with a base of white men, latino men, married women and growing influence amongst the working class. While the other party believes in higher taxes to fund societal safety nets and increased migration with a heavy focus on race & gender identity politics that appeal to more college educated, single women, black folks and marginalized groups. This is no longer country club Republicans vs union led Democrats. That political world doesn’t exist anymore. Edited August 23 by SCBills 3
Roundybout Posted August 23 Posted August 23 12 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The government owned a shitload of gm stock after the bailout. This has been done before. Trump does it and everyone goes nuts and chigoose calls us lemmings. Oh no. Yeah, no. Nice try. TARP went through Congress and had a specific plan to liquidate the governments holdings once certain levels were hit. Im amused watching yourself happily accept socialism! 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 23 Posted August 23 I was against it when Obama did it and I don't like the orange menace doing it now. The fact is .. It's been done before and neither time was it the government seizing the means of production. The Marxists infesting our government are attempting to stoke the revolution through cultural means. Economic Marxism, while the ultimate goal, isn't being employed to a large extent. Mamdani in NYC being the biggest exception. 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 23 Posted August 23 10 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Look, these are people who went from “Hillary Clinton is eating children in a pizza parlor basement” to “it’s no big deal that Donald Trump is a pedophile. The fact that they are now going from “Socialism is bad” to “it’s a good thing for the government to take ownership of companies” isn’t surprising when you recognize that they are just dumb lemmings following whatever they are told. I’m not sure how I feel about this in particular, which seems pretty consistent with how most voters view political decisions. I wasn’t crazy when Obama interceded with GM to the detriment of bondholders, but certainly would have hated to see GM implode for many reasons. I wasn’t crazy about some of the rules and guidelines under TARP and W Bush, though understood that government chooses winners and losers at various times. I wasn’t crazy about the NYS government inserting itself in the landlord/tenant arrangement during COVID. I always felt Trump having a rally on 1/6 was a bad idea, I saw that as a time to move forward though I thought Biden was a bad choice to run the country (or have a driver license for that matter). I wasn’t a fan of stop the steal, but saw it as a natural and predictable byproduct of Dems and the Russia issue. Sometimes you hold your nose. An example for liberals might be Biden’s possession of classified/top secret documents over his career as a senator/vp/president. For context, most liberals were outraged over Trump’s handling of such material—-both possessing and his hesitancy to return material. As it turned out, a short time later they were faced with the reality that it was a pretty mainstream deal. Biden had all sorts of documents scattered and unsecured in a number of places….and those outraged by Trump became very comfortable with Biden because that’s what people do. I believe you called it special rules for electeds, which always sounded a lot like morphing the rules to fit the candidate. 1 1
JDHillFan Posted August 23 Posted August 23 13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: An example for liberals might be Biden’s possession of classified/top secret documents over his career as a senator/vp/president. For context, most liberals were outraged over Trump’s handling of such material—-both possessing and his hesitancy to return material. As it turned out, a short time later they were faced with the reality that it was a pretty mainstream deal. Biden had all sorts of documents scattered and unsecured in a number of places….and those outraged by Trump became very comfortable with Biden because that’s what people do. I believe you called it special rules for electeds, which always sounded a lot like morphing the rules to fit the candidate. On 1/31/2023 at 8:39 PM, ChiGoose said: My theory is simply that whoever packed up his offices grabbed documents they shouldn’t have. Seems like that’s the case with Pence. I think Jimmy Carter walked away with government docs accidentally too. If Biden took them intentionally and they can prove that, he should be indicted. Barring a change in facts, I just don’t see that as the likely outcome here. Biden and Pence appear to be in the same bucket with what we know at this stage. It was those damn office packers. 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 23 Posted August 23 8 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: It was those damn office packers. Rumor is Biden had an exclusive arrangement with UHaul to handle all his moves, and availed himself of the Extra Hands program offered for a few bucks more per move. He saved the taxpayer hundreds, though the occasional slippage of a massive trove of documents at his home, in his garage, his office, and unsecured warehouses was to be expected. It made him more approachable, even kindly maybe.
SCBills Posted August 23 Posted August 23 59 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: I was against it when Obama did it and I don't like the orange menace doing it now. The fact is .. It's been done before and neither time was it the government seizing the means of production. The Marxists infesting our government are attempting to stoke the revolution through cultural means. Economic Marxism, while the ultimate goal, isn't being employed to a large extent. Mamdani in NYC being the biggest exception. This. Marxists, whether self acknowledged or not, have been attempting a cultural revolution. Think more Mao turning kids against their parents than anything economic related. Which is why electing Trump was a necessity this past election. That philosophy, along with the hooks they dug into academia, arts and government had to be dismantled.. at least to the extent they can be. 1 2 2
BillsFanNC Posted August 23 Posted August 23 55 minutes ago, SCBills said: This. Marxists, whether self acknowledged or not, have been attempting a cultural revolution. Think more Mao turning kids against their parents than anything economic related. Which is why electing Trump was a necessity this past election. That philosophy, along with the hooks they dug into academia, arts and government had to be dismantled.. at least to the extent they can be. The Marxists have been at it for the better part of a century now here in the US. It will take at least that long to purge them from our institutions. Trump II is doing many of the right things that are necessary, but the fact is this fight for the soul of the country will continue long past when the Orange dude and everyone here is long gone.
Roundybout Posted August 23 Posted August 23 3 hours ago, SCBills said: This. Marxists, whether self acknowledged or not, have been attempting a cultural revolution. Think more Mao turning kids against their parents than anything economic related. Which is why electing Trump was a necessity this past election. That philosophy, along with the hooks they dug into academia, arts and government had to be dismantled.. at least to the extent they can be. Sure man. You should go check your closet for “Marxists,” I hear they leave their empty Doritos bags everywhere
CoudyBills Posted August 24 Posted August 24 21 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: The Marxists have been at it for the better part of a century now here in the US. It will take at least that long to purge them from our institutions. Trump II is doing many of the right things that are necessary, but the fact is this fight for the soul of the country will continue long past when the Orange dude and everyone here is long gone. Bloody revolution is all that will kill it.
Andy1 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) Looks like socialist Bernie agrees with Trump on owning a share of Intel. This is the world we are in and apparently all the MAGA has no problem with it. I guess Trump is bringing some Bernie into his policy. Bizarro world! https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senator-sanders-favors-trump-plan-take-stake-intel-other-chipmakers-2025-08-20/ Edited August 26 by Andy1 1 1
JDHillFan Posted August 26 Posted August 26 6 hours ago, Andy1 said: apparently all the MAGA has no problem with it Do you say things like this so that you don’t have to pay attention, think, and seem intelligent? What makes you say this? Truly a dimwitted comment. Many, many on the right have spoken out against this. It’s all over the internet and social media. Do you want people to take to the streets over the matter?
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 On 8/22/2025 at 9:56 PM, JFKjr said: Why are you concerned about my beliefs? I had high expectations for Trump and so far he is exceeding them. And it seems like he's on the road to accomplish even more later this year. Enjoy your own Libnut beliefs! You wanted more inflation, more expensive food, exploding electricity costs, tax breaks for the rich, and more taxes on middle class Americans? Weird. On 8/23/2025 at 12:08 PM, BillsFanNC said: The Marxists have been at it for the better part of a century now here in the US. It will take at least that long to purge them from our institutions. Trump II is doing many of the right things that are necessary, but the fact is this fight for the soul of the country will continue long past when the Orange dude and everyone here is long gone. Are they the same ones who want state ownership of companies like Intel? 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Do you say things like this so that you don’t have to pay attention, think, and seem intelligent? What makes you say this? Truly a dimwitted comment. Many, many on the right have spoken out against this. It’s all over the internet and social media. Do you want people to take to the streets over the matter? You should know. On 8/23/2025 at 9:55 AM, SCBills said: If you’re a conservative.. truly a conservative.. you generally should be against both of these things. But we don’t operate in that prism anymore. Trump has broken down the walls of political parties to the point Democrats are listening to Bush era officials on their tv every evening as they get mad about a raid on John Bolton… meanwhile Republicans, in large part, are cheering on tariffs and the govt owning equity stake in a business. People can act confused by this all they want, but it really just boils down to the idea that one party is right leaning, more socially conservative and fiscally populist with an appeal to traditional Americana with a base of white men, latino men, married women and growing influence amongst the working class. While the other party believes in higher taxes to fund societal safety nets and increased migration with a heavy focus on race & gender identity politics that appeal to more college educated, single women, black folks and marginalized groups. This is no longer country club Republicans vs union led Democrats. That political world doesn’t exist anymore. I disagree with the former. Tariffs are taxes. The whole thing is friggin stupid. Inflation is rising, electricity is rising, food is more expensive. Not to mention the continuation of tax breaks for the rich. MAGA talks the talk, but caves to the country club set to get things done on the fiscal side in the end. The latter comment I agree with completely.
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 On 8/22/2025 at 11:30 PM, ChiGoose said: Look, these are people who went from “Hillary Clinton is eating children in a pizza parlor basement” to “it’s no big deal that Donald Trump is a pedophile. The fact that they are now going from “Socialism is bad” to “it’s a good thing for the government to take ownership of companies” isn’t surprising when you recognize that they are just dumb lemmings following whatever they are told. They have no principles. Other than they're against the libs. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. On 8/23/2025 at 8:17 AM, SCBills said: The thing is.. if you’re asking specifically MAGA, they’re not exactly conservative. That movement is right leaning populism. Delete "exactly" and I agree. They aren't conservative. Tariffs, taxes, state ownership of tech companies, censorship of things that piss them off, not consistently law and order. They're angry populists who, for the moment, lean right on social issues. A lot of them easily could be Bernie Bros and lean left without really missing a beat on the economic issues.
Andy1 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Do you say things like this so that you don’t have to pay attention, think, and seem intelligent? What makes you say this? Truly a dimwitted comment. Many, many on the right have spoken out against this. It’s all over the internet and social media. Do you want people to take to the streets over the matter? While I’m not tuned into right wing media, I get that perspective here. If there is so much outrage over Trumps policy, I haven’t seen it expressed here on PPP. So what do you think about government taking ownership of businesses?
JDHillFan Posted August 26 Posted August 26 27 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: They have no principles. Other than they're against the libs. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Delete "exactly" and I agree. They aren't conservative. Tariffs, taxes, state ownership of tech companies, censorship of things that piss them off, not consistently law and order. They're angry populists who, for the moment, lean right on social issues. A lot of them easily could be Bernie Bros and lean left without really missing a beat on the economic issues. Rough night? Not a single mention of Epstein. You have lost the plot. Get it together. Also: On 7/9/2025 at 2:16 PM, SectionC3 said: Get over it. Stop whining. Enough outrage. Spend the time helping someone instead. Just now, Andy1 said: While I’m not tuned into right wing media, I get that perspective here. If there is so much outrage over Trumps policy, I haven’t seen it expressed here on PPP. So what do you think about government taking ownership of businesses? I don’t like it. Outside of Bernie, I don’t think that many people do like it. Because you don’t see 6 people here raging about it Roundy-style, that equates to “apparently all the maga has no problem with it”. Not just grammatically incorrect but incredibly lame.
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 31 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Rough night? Not a single mention of Epstein. You have lost the plot. Get it together. Also: I don’t like it. Outside of Bernie, I don’t think that many people do like it. Because you don’t see 6 people here raging about it Roundy-style, that equates to “apparently all the maga has no problem with it”. Not just grammatically incorrect but incredibly lame. Seems like you've been thinking about Epstein a lot lately, too. And me. When you're not being a Hilly Fan. You're a weird guy.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted August 26 Posted August 26 The stupidest person in the country trying to run everything. What could go wrong? Attacking a black women because he knows his base will cheer that on. Trump wants to control the Fed, God help us all
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