The Best to Never Get There

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I would be willing to make a wager that no coach in NFL history has lost more playoff games his offense has scored 24 points in. He might be tied, but almost certain he holds that distinction. It's not common. We have 3 in franchise history and 4 with Allen. 

Andy Reid has lost five playoff games in his career while his offense scored 24 or more

 

Boom

 

No more distinction Andy Reid also gets blown out in the playoffs too and loses scoring 24

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[ganesh]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I never said  Josh Allen was the problem 

 

Nobody wants to believe it but the biggest problem is going into the playoffs not healthy the last three plus years 

 

We played the chiefs with 11 players on the injury report seven defensive players 

 

You're not getting over the hump in arrowhead, when the margin of error is that slim... And you're not close to 100% 

 

When we saw the chiefs with two backups in their secondary.. Josh Allen looked like Dan Marino and Gabe Davis looked like Jerry Rice and we were unstoppable lol

 

We didn't have our best corner and our best safety, our second best safety was dinged up... Milano Dorian Williams, taron Johnson, Greg Rousseau , am Lewis were all dinged up going into the game 

 

In a game of inches where the talent margin is very small , in the postseason where everything is amplified, that is the biggest difference 

 

We were even more banged up in the playoffs two years ago lol we literally were playing AJ Klein out of retirement to cover Travis Kelce

 

You have to be healthy

Coaching and situation awareness is a big thing.  Our best player on that day was Cook   He should have got the ball in those situations instead of the not working rush-pushes.  Even on that 4th down play, Cook could have been the game changer.  Speed kills as Worthy demonstrated that day. 

[MJS]

5 hours ago, mjt328 said:

Sean McDermott is a disciple of Andy Reid.

 

Oddly enough, Andy Reid was the NFL's poster-child for 20 years for "almost" getting there and never being able to get over the hump.  He started coaching the Eagles in 2001 and then moved to the Chiefs in 2013.  In that 20 year period (before he finally won the Super Bowl), Reid's teams had 14 playoff appearances, 9 division titles, 6 championship game appearances and one loss in the big game.  And no trophy to show for it.  Wow.

 

So what was the big change that happened in 2019?  The answer you will get from 99% of football fans will probably be Patrick Mahomes, and they aren't necessarily wrong.  But it should also be pointed out that Steve Spagnuolo was hired in 2019 as the team's Defensive Coordinator.  Yes, the same guy who created the defense that stopped the undefeated Patriots way back on 2007 has also helped the Chiefs win all three of their Super Bowls.  Hard to find it just a coincidence.

 

Personally, I don't think Spagnuolo is a significantly better defensive coach than McDermott.  The numbers from year to year certainly don't support that.  But I do think Spag's strategy (particularly when it comes to pressuring QBs) just seems to work better in the postseason against the NFL's best passers.  While Spagnuolo is more about creating chaos with blitzes, McDermott's strategy has always been to rely more on confusing coverage packages, and then pressure with four guys.  And it just hasn't worked.  

 

Last year, the Bills defense started a gradual shift into being more versatile.  More man coverage.  Occasionally breaking out of the Nickel.  The next step will be to bring more blitzes, and create more chaos along the front with stunts and shifts.  There have been some reports out of training camp that we are doing exactly that.  I hope it translates into the postseason.  As many of us have been stating for 2-3 years, this team won't take the next step until we can significantly increase our pressure on the QB in the playoffs.

McDermott as a defensive coordinator brings a lot more pressure and blitzes, though, especially in key situations. But he doesn't call the defense, usually.

[Buffalo716]

23 hours ago, mjt328 said:

Sean McDermott is a disciple of Andy Reid.

 

Oddly enough, Andy Reid was the NFL's poster-child for 20 years for "almost" getting there and never being able to get over the hump.  He started coaching the Eagles in 2001 and then moved to the Chiefs in 2013.  In that 20 year period (before he finally won the Super Bowl), Reid's teams had 14 playoff appearances, 9 division titles, 6 championship game appearances and one loss in the big game.  And no trophy to show for it.  Wow.

 

So what was the big change that happened in 2019?  The answer you will get from 99% of football fans will probably be Patrick Mahomes, and they aren't necessarily wrong.  But it should also be pointed out that Steve Spagnuolo was hired in 2019 as the team's Defensive Coordinator.  Yes, the same guy who created the defense that stopped the undefeated Patriots way back on 2007 has also helped the Chiefs win all three of their Super Bowls.  Hard to find it just a coincidence.

 

Personally, I don't think Spagnuolo is a significantly better defensive coach than McDermott.  The numbers from year to year certainly don't support that.  But I do think Spag's strategy (particularly when it comes to pressuring QBs) just seems to work better in the postseason against the NFL's best passers.  While Spagnuolo is more about creating chaos with blitzes, McDermott's strategy has always been to rely more on confusing coverage packages, and then pressure with four guys.  And it just hasn't worked.  

 

Last year, the Bills defense started a gradual shift into being more versatile.  More man coverage.  Occasionally breaking out of the Nickel.  The next step will be to bring more blitzes, and create more chaos along the front with stunts and shifts.  There have been some reports out of training camp that we are doing exactly that.  I hope it translates into the postseason.  As many of us have been stating for 2-3 years, this team won't take the next step until we can significantly increase our pressure on the QB in the playoffs.

 

That's easy to think until you break down the numbers but there's no world where spagnola is a better defensive coach than Sean McDermott 

 

Both have been head coaches or defensive coordinators for 16 years 

 

Spagnola has put out plenty of bad defenses in his career when he doesn't have great pieces.. and it works really well when he has pieces 

 

Sean McDermott is way more consistent whether you give him tremendous pieces or sixth round picks 

 

Spagnola has five top 10 defenses for yards... McDermott has nine... +4 Sean

 

Spagnola has seven top 10 in points..  McDermott has 6.. still +3 Sean

 

Spagnola has four top 10 defenses for takeaways... McDermott has 14... Including eight top five... +13 Sean now

 

Spagnola has four top 10 rushing defenses 

 

Sean has six... +15 Sean

 

Spagnola has six top 10 defenses for passing touchdowns allowed 

 

Sean has eight... +17 Sean

 

We severely underate Sean McDermott and what he does and how he develops players 

 

 spagnola literally with not great players has bad defenses.. Sean takes six round picks and make them good players 

 

14 seasons out of 16 top 10 and turnovers eight top five.. those are Bill belichick numbers 

 

 we are not healthy in the playoffs lol we've been without two three four starters and contributors multiple times... The Chiefs lost two players in their secondary and gabe Davis looked like Jerry Rice and Josh looked like Dan Marino 

 

Seven defensive players on the injury report going into the Chiefs game last year lol that's the difference 

 

You can't be that banged up in a game of inches when the talent margin is so thin and you're away at Arrowhead 

 

Steve spagnola is not a defensive God lol Sean McDermott is a better developer and his scheme is world class in the back end

 

 

 

 

 

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[RoscoeParrish]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

we are not healthy in the playoffs lol we've been without two three four starters and contributors multiple times... The Chiefs lost two players in their secondary and gabe Davis looked like Jerry Rice and Josh looked like Dan Marino 

We somehow still lost that one though.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

We somehow still lost that one though.

Lost it to a coin flip 

 

If we win the coin flip Josh goes down and scores on their tired defense 

 

They literally changed the NFL rules after that cuz they felt bad

 

 

[RoscoeParrish]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Lost it to a coin flip 

 

If we win the coin flip Josh goes down and scores on their tired defense 

 

They literally changed the NFL rules after that cuz they felt bad

 

 

…… the coin flip?

[Buffalo716]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

…… the coin flip?

It went to overtime the Chiefs won the coin flip and got the ball 

 

If the Bills win the coin cost Josh Allen does the same thing goes down there and scores 

 

The NFL never feels bad about anything and they literally changed the rules after that because they knew the bills got hosed by not touching the ball

[RoscoeParrish]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

It went to overtime the Chiefs won the coin flip and got the ball 

 

If the Bills win the coin cost Josh Allen does the same thing goes down there and scores 

 

The NFL never feels bad about anything and they literally changed the rules after that because they knew the bills got hosed by not touching the ball

Here I thought the game went down in NFL lore as “13 seconds.” 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Here I thought the game went down in NFL lore as “13 seconds.” 

I mean  the NFL literally changed their playoff rules because Josh Allen didn't touch the ball

 

That's an indirect admission that their rules were wrong and both teams deserve to touch it... The bills intrinsically lost to a coin toss because Josh Allen would have scored if we got the ball first

 

They could not stop him either

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[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean  the NFL literally changed their playoff rules because Josh Allen didn't touch the ball

 

That's an indirect admission that their rules were wrong and both teams deserve to touch it... The bills intrinsically lost to a coin toss because Josh Allen would have scored if we got the ball first

 

They could not stop him either

Man, this just makes me sad

[Buffalo716]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

Man, this just makes me sad

Cool you don't need to respond 

 

That's why the NFL changed the rule have a good day bro

 

All your posts make me sad

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[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Cool you don't need to respond 

 

That's why the NFL changed the rule have a good day bro

 

All your posts make me sad

The Bills lost because they scored with 13 seconds left. And their defense couldn’t stop KC from tying it, with, you guessed it, 13 seconds left.

 

which is why the game is colloquially referred to as the “13 seconds game” by just about every single human being on the planet.

[Mikie2times]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Andy Reid has lost five playoff games in his career while his offense scored 24 or more

 

Boom

 

No more distinction Andy Reid also gets blown out in the playoffs too and loses scoring 24

All I had to say was he is in the top two in NFL history. Rejoice.

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It went to overtime the Chiefs won the coin flip and got the ball 

 

If the Bills win the coin cost Josh Allen does the same thing goes down there and scores 

 

The NFL never feels bad about anything and they literally changed the rules after that because they knew the bills got hosed by not touching the ball

Because of our sterling history in OT, that was such a guaranteed outcome? Same as beating the Bengals the week after?

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

All I had to say was he is in the top two in NFL history. Rejoice.

Because of our sterling history in OT, that was such a guaranteed outcome? Same as beating the Bengals the week after?

Andy also has a much larger sample size

[GoBills808]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Andy Reid has lost five playoff games in his career while his offense scored 24 or more

 

Boom

 

No more distinction Andy Reid also gets blown out in the playoffs too and loses scoring 24

This shouldn't make you feel better lol

 

Reid is an offensive coach and also has like 3x more playoff games coached

[Awwufelloff]

Fire McDermott and we get to superbowl

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This shouldn't make you feel better lol

 

Reid is an offensive coach and also has like 3x more playoff games coached

 

Head coach is in charge of everything 

 

There's people here again who thinks Steve spagnola is a defensive genius... Yet there's a reason why he'll never get the chance at coaching another NFL team as a HC

 

It's because he can't successfully 

 

Sean McDermott overseas this entire team not just the defense , fingerprints are all over the team

 

Andy Reid in Philadelphia was known for having very strong defenses too

 

Point stands Andy Reid as a head coach has lost more games than Sean scoring 24.. he said it didn't happen I proved it 

 

Bill belichick gets credit for helping to develop Tom Brady and he does and he's a defensive coach

 

Sean McDermott gets the credit for rebuilding the Buffalo Bills and we are now perennially considered a top five team

Edited August 15 by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Head coach is in charge of everything 

 

There's people here again who thinks Steve spagnola is a defensive genius... Yet there's a reason why he'll never get the chance at coaching another NFL team as a HC

 

It's because he can't successfully 

 

Sean McDermott overseas this entire team not just the defense , fingerprints are all over the team

 

Andy Reid in Philadelphia was known for having very strong defenses too

 

Point stands Andy Reid as a head coach has lost more games than Sean scoring 24.. he said it didn't happen I proved it 

 

Bill belichick gets credit for helping to develop Tom Brady and he does and he's a defensive coach

 

Sean McDermott gets the credit for rebuilding the Buffalo Bills and we are now perennially considered a top five team

So you have no hesitation whatsoever putting McDermott in the same company as Belichick and Reid 

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

So you have no hesitation whatsoever putting McDermott in the same company as Belichick and Reid 

 

Andy Reid wasn't considered Andy Reid when he got fired from the eagles and he was considered a good coach who could not get over the hump 

 

He would have gotten over the hump in Philly and he did in Kansas City 

 

You either have it or you don't... Sean McDermott has more top five defenses for creating turnovers in his first 16 in years than the goat Bill belichick...

 

Is our defense as consistent as bills were at his peak? No... Does Sean have a lot of elite coaching abilities and can still grow? Yes

 

If the elite list was belichick and Andy Reid from the last 15 years... 

 

Sean McDermott is absolutely in the tear below them with Mike Tomlin and harbaugh etc

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