leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 4 Posted August 4 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It's not so much the gerrymandered districts; it's the attempt to force through a quick/unprecedented redistricting in response to Trump's call to do so for purely partisan reasons. There is nothing to stop this from happening all around the country, including attempts to draw districts that result in two incumbents in one district. That happens sometimes, but due to population declines, etc., and not in response to a brazen/calculated attempt to rig the entire process. Sure, you can say this has always happened to a lesser degree and with lip service paid to things like shared community ties or Supreme Court-mandated racial concerns, but this is a step beyond. And as we've seen many times already, once one side gets away with it the floodgates are opened. Whatever one thinks of the Texas Dems, no one on either side should applaud this attempt to even further politicize redistricting. It is the ultimate "the congressman chooses his voters instead of the voters choosing their congressman." It's shameful and it ought to be called out as such. Ah, the old democrat strategy that goes "Yeah, sure, we did stuff like that, but when we did it it was way less done than what you did". The floodgates are open, Frank. Have been since Herr Mueller kicked in doors and busted heads, since 51 intelligence agents spread misinformation designed to impact an election, since one guy was targeted for life in prison while another guy was targeted for kindly old gent of the year for doing the same thing, and worse for a few decades. I can't applaud it, but pretending suddenly this is all a bridge too far is kinda silly. 3 2
The Frankish Reich Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: DO IT PAPA PRITZGER Yep, that's what needs to happen. Mutually assured destruction. 1
Big Blitz Posted August 5 Posted August 5 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: It's not so much the gerrymandered districts; it's the attempt to force through a quick/unprecedented redistricting in response to Trump's call to do so for purely partisan reasons. There is nothing to stop this from happening all around the country, including attempts to draw districts that result in two incumbents in one district. That happens sometimes, but due to population declines, etc., and not in response to a brazen/calculated attempt to rig the entire process. Sure, you can say this has always happened to a lesser degree and with lip service paid to things like shared community ties or Supreme Court-mandated racial concerns, but this is a step beyond. And as we've seen many times already, once one side gets away with it the floodgates are opened. Whatever one thinks of the Texas Dems, no one on either side should applaud this attempt to even further politicize redistricting. It is the ultimate "the congressman chooses his voters instead of the voters choosing their congressman." It's shameful and it ought to be called out as such. Cool story. Where was this when CA NY and IL - states with declining populations did it because Rs won their races.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Cool story. Where was this when CA NY and IL - states with declining populations did it because Rs won their races. Bad but not bad bad…bad-ish, in the bad family, is/as/of about bad…but not bad bad. So…good, or unbad if you will. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted August 5 Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Cool story. Where was this when CA NY and IL - states with declining populations did it because Rs won their races. It really isn't too hard to recognize when one party or the other makes a move that is just far beyond what was previously considered acceptable. Here's a few from recent memory: - Obama's DACA program. He had said he lacked authority under the constitution to create it. Then he created it. - Trump's "Muslim Ban." - Biden's student loan forgiveness program - Trump's wholesale firing - without cause - of a large number of members of federal boards and commissions - Texas' unprecedented mid-decade expressly political redistricting, not done in response to anything like new census numbers 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Bad but not bad bad…bad-ish, in the bad family, is/as/of about bad…but not bad bad. So…good, or unbad if you will. This is what I mean. Don't conflate incremental opportunistic policies with wholesale changes that go beyond what we have all believed to be acceptable uses of raw political power. There really is a difference in kind, not of just degree here.
Big Blitz Posted August 5 Posted August 5 9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It really isn't too hard to recognize when one party or the other makes a move that is just far beyond what was previously considered acceptable. Here's a few from recent memory: Wrong 9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: - Obama's DACA program. He had said he lacked authority under the constitution to create it. Then he created it. - Trump's "Muslim Ban." - Biden's student loan forgiveness program - Trump's wholesale firing - without cause - of a large number of members of federal boards and commissions 9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: - Texas' unprecedented mid-decade expressly political redistricting, not done in response to anything like new census numbers Um. Yes it is. Someone red pilled Arnold.
Andy1 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Let’s just gerrymander the crap out of every state, whenever politicians want to, to make democracy a complete farce and then just maybe, there will be some reforms. In my opinion, gerrymandering is the root of the problem which has created our dysfunctional democracy. With computer analysis, it is so easy to do vs decades ago.
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 5 Posted August 5 6 hours ago, Andy1 said: Let’s just gerrymander the crap out of every state, whenever politicians want to, to make democracy a complete farce and then just maybe, there will be some reforms. In my opinion, gerrymandering is the root of the problem which has created our dysfunctional democracy. With computer analysis, it is so easy to do vs decades ago. Our political process has devolved into an argument between two eight year olds fighting over the rules of a kick ball game. 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 5 Posted August 5 9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Bad but not bad bad…bad-ish, in the bad family, is/as/of about bad…but not bad bad. So…good, or unbad if you will. 1 1
Roundybout Posted August 5 Posted August 5 12 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Yep The current map in Texas was drawn by the GOP you muppet
Big Blitz Posted August 5 Posted August 5 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: The current map in Texas was drawn by the GOP you muppet who did this?
Roundybout Posted August 5 Posted August 5 25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: who did this? Oh well. The GOP doesn’t want to play nice, why should Dems? As I said, it’s like extracting pus from a wound.
Big Blitz Posted August 5 Posted August 5 26 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Oh well. The GOP doesn’t want to play nice, why should Dems? As I said, it’s like extracting pus from a wound. Were Dems “playing nice” when they gerrymandered IL in 2022 and NY in 2024 as a direct response to losing? Was that “playing nice.” TX at least can justify anything with significant population growth since 2020 - the deep blue states have seen the opposite. Making their gerrymandering proposals/ideas/not gonna happen, the result of what actually?
Roundybout Posted August 5 Posted August 5 11 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Were Dems “playing nice” when they gerrymandered IL in 2022 and NY in 2024 as a direct response to losing? Was that “playing nice.” TX at least can justify anything with significant population growth since 2020 - the deep blue states have seen the opposite. Making their gerrymandering proposals/ideas/not gonna happen, the result of what actually? Texas figured out how to build housing. I will commend them for that.
Big Blitz Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Just now, Roundybout said: Texas figured out how to build housing. I will commend them for that. Will deporting over 1 million illegals alleviate to some extent our housing crisis and affordability issue? 1 1
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