Josh Allen in the NFL Hall of Fame

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Fair. I do think if he played at a similar level for the next 4 years or so, even without extra hardware, that he gets in. The mvp last season really strengthens his case.

 

Ya Mahomes would for sure- Why do you say Lamar out of curiosity, because of the 2 mvps, all pros etc?

 

Of that list you have- I have him below Brady, brees and Rodgers for sure. Big Ben is probably slightly ahead of him now, but i think that changes in a couple years 

 

And got Josh ahead over Rivers, Ryan, Eli. JMO

Lamar has 2 MVPs and 3 first team All Pros. That basically gets you in.
 

Of the guys coming up with Josh, I think Josh is firmly behind Mahomes and Lamar. He’s definitely ahead of Burrow (although look for a Burrow MVP award coming this year if they can win their division or even sneak a WC).

 

Why you think Josh has a better HoF resume than Matt Ryan?

 

This list is kind of telling imo.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

[mjt328]

18 hours ago, TheWei44 said:

My only quibble with alot of the above is that they play more games now that in the past, so "first 7 seasons" stats are skewed in favor of current players.  I believe Allen is better than Kelly, but Kelly played fewer games per season (no fault of his own) so he is handicapped vs. Allen.

 

It's not about who is better.

All I'm saying is that at his current pace, Allen will have slam-dunk HOF numbers by the time he reaches the age of 36.  And if he can play a few years beyond that, he's going to totally obliterate the record books.  The media downplays his greatness now, because I don't think many of them have actually done the math. 

 

His current pace will have him at this point in only seven more years (all-time rank in parenthesis):

Total TDs:  524 (#5)

Total YDs:  61,152 (#10)

Pass TDs:  390 (#8)

Pass YDs:  52,868 (#12)

Rush TDs:  130 (#3)

Rush YDs:  8,284 (#44)

 

Regardless of Super Bowls, there isn't a single voter who is going to ignore that kind of resume.

[TheWei44]

55 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

It's not about who is better.

All I'm saying is that at his current pace, Allen will have slam-dunk HOF numbers by the time he reaches the age of 36.  And if he can play a few years beyond that, he's going to totally obliterate the record books.  The media downplays his greatness now, because I don't think many of them have actually done the math. 

 

His current pace will have him at this point in only seven more years (all-time rank in parenthesis):

Total TDs:  524 (#5)

Total YDs:  61,152 (#10)

Pass TDs:  390 (#8)

Pass YDs:  52,868 (#12)

Rush TDs:  130 (#3)

Rush YDs:  8,284 (#44)

 

Regardless of Super Bowls, there isn't a single voter who is going to ignore that kind of resume.

I don't disagree with you at all.  Just pointing out that certain stats tend to favor current players and can be misleading.  Not taking anything away from Josh.  I think if he retired tomorrow, he'd still have an excellent chance of getting into the hall.  If he continues to play at current level for several more years, then it's not even a debate (SB(s) or not).

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Lamar has 2 MVPs and 3 first team All Pros. That basically gets you in.
 

Of the guys coming up with Josh, I think Josh is firmly behind Mahomes and Lamar. He’s definitely ahead of Burrow (although look for a Burrow MVP award coming this year if they can win their division or even sneak a WC).

 

Why you think Josh has a better HoF resume than Matt Ryan?

 

This list is kind of telling imo.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

That's fair.

 

The way I look at- Matt Ryan to me was never a top 3 quarterback in his relative era for many years. (I know he got the mvp the one year)

 

Josh has firmly been a top 3 QB in his relative era for the past 5 seasons now. I know that doesn't mean everything as every era has different competition, but I just never looked at Matt Ryan as an "elite" QB.

 

So I can't really answer your question too well as it's just 100 percent subjective to me. But I clearly think Josh was more of a dominant QB compared to Matty ice IMO

 

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's fair.

 

The way I look at- Matt Ryan to me was never a top 3 quarterback in his relative era for many years. (I know he got the mvp the one year)

 

Josh has firmly been a top 3 QB in his relative era for the past 5 seasons now. I know that doesn't mean everything as every era has different competition, but I just never looked at Matt Ryan as an "elite" QB.

 

So I can't really answer your question too well as it's just 100 percent subjective to me. But I clearly think Josh was more of a dominant QB compared to Matty ice IMO

 

 

That’s kind of the problem though, imo. 

Matt Ryan and Phil Rivers both overlapped with even better HoF QBs. 
 

That’s the danger that Josh could find himself in that could harm his chances. If a Jayden Daniels or younger guy starts stacking awards or SBs, Josh could becomes the 4th or 5th best QB in his “era.”

 

If Burrow wins MVP and the SB next year, Josh falls to 4th among his age group, right?

 

I don’t think that will happen, of course, but that’s why to me his HoF case is not bullet proof yet. there is nothing that another QB can do to keep Mahomes or Lamar out. Jayden Daniels and Burrow win the next 2 or 3 MVPs/Superbowls and Josh Allen doesn’t, and he may be on the outside looking in.

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

Lamar has 2 MVPs and 3 first team All Pros. That basically gets you in.
 

Of the guys coming up with Josh, I think Josh is firmly behind Mahomes and Lamar. He’s definitely ahead of Burrow (although look for a Burrow MVP award coming this year if they can win their division or even sneak a WC).

 

Why you think Josh has a better HoF resume than Matt Ryan?

 

This list is kind of telling imo.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

Because if Josh Allen played the same amount of years as Matt Ryan he would smoke his touchdown total lol

 

If you think Lamar is in Josh is squarly in

 

I don't need their bogus metrics.. Josh Allen could and should have as many all pros as Lamar Jackson

 

He has better stats and performs better in the postseason too.

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[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because if Josh Allen played the same amount of years as Matt Ryan he would smoke his touchdown total lol

 

If you think Lamar is in Josh is squarly in

Josh Allen hasn’t played that many though.

 

Lamar is in if he retired tomorrow. I don’t think Josh is.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Josh Allen hasn’t played that many though.

 

Lamar is in if he retired tomorrow. I don’t think Josh is.

Josh Allen has more passing touchdowns.. more Rushing touchdowns , more passing yards,more playoff wins, and better playoff stats then Lamar Jackson and he also has an MVP 

 

I don't care if opinion voters voted him MVP more than Josh because Josh could be a three-time MVP right now 

 

Josh Allen scores more points than Lamar Jackson and is a better postseason quarterback.. if you think Lamar is in Josh Allen is in

 

Josh also went to a much worse franchise than the Baltimore Ravens and turned them around.. Lamar Jackson went to one of the most steadfast franchises of the last 25 years 

 

Yeah Josh Allen is ahead of Lamar Jackson regardless of AP awards

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[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen has more touchdowns, more playoff wins, and better playoff stats then Lamar Jackson and he also has an MVP 

 

I don't care if opinion voters voted him MVP more than Josh because Josh could be a three-time MVP right now 

 

Josh Allen scores more points than Lamar Jackson and is a better postseason quarterback.. if you think Lamar is in Josh Allen is in

 

Josh also went to a much worse franchise than the Baltimore Ravens and turned them around.. Lamar Jackson went to one of the most steadfast franchises of the last 25 years 

 

Yeah Josh Allen is ahead of Lamar Jackson regardless of AP awards

I don’t agree because ultimately Lamar is a 2 time MVP and a 3 time All Pro. Josh is a 1 time MVP.

 

Who is better is not the question. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, FireChans said:

I don’t agree because ultimately Lamar is a 2 time MVP and a 3 time All Pro. Josh is a 1 time MVP.

 

Who is better is not the question. 

That's not the criteria for Hall of Fame tho buddy

 

I watched Jim Kelly with my own eyes for years and he certainly is a Hall of Fame player but modern statistics leaves him at the bottom... he doesn't have an MVP... He's a one-time All-Pro

 

Warren Moon never All prod once... and he is in the Hall of Fame and he is worthy

 

I'd be willing to bet as much money as you're willing to wager that Josh Allen will wind up in the Hall of Fame

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's not the criteria for Hall of Fame tho buddy

 

I watched Jim Kelly with my own eyes for years and he certainly is a Hall of Fame player but modern statistics leaves him at the bottom... he doesn't have an MVP... He's a one-time All-Pro

 

Warren Moon never All prod once... and he is in the Hall of Fame and he is worthy

 

I'd be willing to bet as much money as you're willing to wager that Josh Allen will wind up in the Hall of Fame

That’s not the argument so why would I take that bet lol.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

That’s not the argument so why would I take that bet lol.

If Terrell Davis got in... I think Josh Allen's last 5 years stint could also get him in even if it took multiple tries on the ballot 

 

Now I want him here for another decade so he wins a whole bunch of games and hopefully a super bowl or two

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[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

If Terrell Davis got in... I think Josh Allen's last 5 years stint could also get him in even if it took multiple tries on the ballot 

 

Now I want him here for another decade so he wins a whole bunch of games and hopefully a super bowl or two

Terrell Davis is a 3x AP1 and 2x OPOY and MVP and 2 time Super Bowl champion. That’s kinda the point.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Terrell Davis is a 3x AP1 and 2x OPOY and MVP and 2 time Super Bowl champion. That’s kinda the point.

Awards are slightly subjective tho

 

Josh Allen  has had more touchdowns than the MVP probably three out of the five years.. it's not like he was pedestrian with 20 touchdowns 

 

He has been playing at an MVP level five straight years.. whether it ended up in one all pro or 3 

 

He could have three MVPs and three all pros 

 

But the voters love Lamar Jackson who went to a better team and that is a fact 

 

Lamar Jackson inherited a better team right off the bat than Josh Allen, and still gets all the love like he turned around a franchise like Josh Allen 

 

He's a tremendous player, I would not take Lamar Jackson over Jack Allen if I had no bias

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[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Awards are slightly subjective tho

 

Josh Allen  has had more touchdowns than the MVP probably three out of the five years.. it's not like he was pedestrian with 20 touchdowns 

 

He has been playing at an MVP level five straight years.. whether it ended up in one all pro or 3 

 

He could have three MVPs and three all pros 

 

But the voters love Lamar Jackson who went to a better team and that is a fact 

 

Lamar Jackson inherited a better team right off the bat than Josh Allen, and still gets all the love like he turned around a franchise like Josh Allen 

 

He's a tremendous player, I would not take Lamar Jackson over Jack Allen if I had no bias

I wouldn’t take Jim Kelly over Phil Rivers but Jim’s in the hall and Phil likely won’t be. 

[billsbackto81]

On 6/20/2025 at 6:14 PM, mjt328 said:

 

Disagree.

He can make it based on statistics alone. 

And right now, Josh Allen is well on pace (barring injury) to shatter every dual-threat QB record on the books.

 

For his first 7 seasons in the NFL, Allen is currently:

- 1st all-time in total yards

- 1st all-time in total touchdowns

- 1st all-time in total wins

 

Over 13 playoff games, he is also:

- 1st all-time in postseason yards per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdowns per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdown/INT ratio

 

Looking strictly at the Bills history, Allen is only a couple seasons away from breaking every Bills passing record currently held by Hall of Famer Jim Kelly.  He's already passed HOF running back OJ Simpson in rushing touchdowns, and will pass HOF running back Thurman Thomas next year.  He's currently #5 in rushing yards all-time for the team, and (believe it or not) it's actually possible for him to become #1 in that stat too.  Has any QB ever broken the yardage AND touchdown records for their team in BOTH passing and rushing?

 

Currently, Allen has 262 total touchdowns in his career.  He's already over half-way to being Top 5 in the history of the NFL.  Meaning 7 more seasons at the same pace, and he's right there.  Now, I'm not sure if he will ever catch Tom Brady (677 total), but everyone else on that list (Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre) can potentially be passed if Allen can keep playing into into his late 30s at a high level.  Seven more seasons makes him only 36, and some QBs are now playing well into their early 40s.

 

At the current pace, he's also half-way to being Top 10 all-time in passing touchdowns (#9 or #10 depending on how long Matthew Stafford plays).  It's totally conceivable for him to land right around the Top 5 on this list as well.

 

And the clincher... Allen is also half-way to being #3 all-time in RUSHING touchdowns (he will likely pass Cam Newton at the QB position either this year or next).  Again, not sure he can quite catch Emmitt Smith at 164.  But he could pass everyone else on that list, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

 

That's a mic drop post right there. 👍

[BillsFan130]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

That’s kind of the problem though, imo. 

Matt Ryan and Phil Rivers both overlapped with even better HoF QBs. 
 

That’s the danger that Josh could find himself in that could harm his chances. If a Jayden Daniels or younger guy starts stacking awards or SBs, Josh could becomes the 4th or 5th best QB in his “era.”

 

If Burrow wins MVP and the SB next year, Josh falls to 4th among his age group, right?

 

I don’t think that will happen, of course, but that’s why to me his HoF case is not bullet proof yet. there is nothing that another QB can do to keep Mahomes or Lamar out. Jayden Daniels and Burrow win the next 2 or 3 MVPs/Superbowls and Josh Allen doesn’t, and he may be on the outside looking in.

Those are fair points and very possible.

 

I don't think he's a lock yet either. I do think he's "most likely " going to get in IMO

 

But a lot can change with the points you brought up

[mjt328]

23 hours ago, FireChans said:

I feel like playoff wins and “some of the best playoff stats” end up lost in HoF talk.

 

keep in mind, I’m not saying this is my criteria but the actual criteria.

 

Based on the most recent QBs, the thing that matters most is hardware. AP, MVP, SBMVP, ProBowls.

 

The next is career records, aka TDs, yards, wins, etc etc.

 

Then everything else.

 

Rivers has the longevity and very good numbers but lacks hardware. He is one of the very good numbers but never an All Pro, never an MVP, never won his conference.

 

There’s just such a glut of QBs upcoming.

 

The QBs in the HoF mix over the next decade are:

 

Brady

Brees

Ben

Rodgers

Rivers

Ryan

Eli

 

The first 4 are locks and the next 3 are not. I would be extremely surprised if all 7 are inducted and would not be surprised if Rivers and Ryan are snubbed.

 

And Josh Allen’s resume today is closer to the latter 3 than the first 4. He would not be a Hall of Famer today if he retired like Mahomes or even Lamar would be. IMO.

 

That's really not a lot of players if you think about it.

Even if all seven get inducted, they would be the only quarterbacks selected over a period of 15+ years.

• Brees is a 1st ballot lock next year in 2026.  He will be the first QB selected in five years (last was Peyton Manning in 2021).
• Roethlisberger is a lock , but not sure he's 1st ballot.  Some voters are funky about that.  Maybe 2027, but possibly a year or two later.
• Brady is obviously a 1st ballot lock in 2028.

Rodgers is still playing, so he won't even be eligible until 2032 at the very earliest.

 

There will be a lot of discussion over the last three.  My opinion is that Rivers has the best bet and will probably make it eventually.  Eli Manning is a really tough sell for me, and wasn't even a finalist his first year.  Matt Ryan is a total wildcard for me.  His career looks much better on paper than I ever remember him actually being.

 

All the current guys like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow likely have a decade of football in front of them.  And they don't become eligible until they have been retired for six seasons.  Which means around 2040 and possibly later.

[mjt328]

18 hours ago, FireChans said:

That’s kind of the problem though, imo. 

Matt Ryan and Phil Rivers both overlapped with even better HoF QBs. 
 

That’s the danger that Josh could find himself in that could harm his chances. If a Jayden Daniels or younger guy starts stacking awards or SBs, Josh could becomes the 4th or 5th best QB in his “era.”

 

If Burrow wins MVP and the SB next year, Josh falls to 4th among his age group, right?

 

I don’t think that will happen, of course, but that’s why to me his HoF case is not bullet proof yet. there is nothing that another QB can do to keep Mahomes or Lamar out. Jayden Daniels and Burrow win the next 2 or 3 MVPs/Superbowls and Josh Allen doesn’t, and he may be on the outside looking in.

 

Even being the 4th/5th best QB of an era doesn't necessarily disqualify someone, if other things really stand out.

 

Go back to the late 80s and early 90s.  Most had the list as follows:

1.  Joe Montana 

2.  Dan Marino

3.  John Elway

4.  Jim Kelly / Warren Moon

 

All five were 1st ballot HOF players.