Josh Allen in the NFL Hall of Fame

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Fair. I do think if he played at a similar level for the next 4 years or so, even without extra hardware, that he gets in. The mvp last season really strengthens his case.

 

Ya Mahomes would for sure- Why do you say Lamar out of curiosity, because of the 2 mvps, all pros etc?

 

Of that list you have- I have him below Brady, brees and Rodgers for sure. Big Ben is probably slightly ahead of him now, but i think that changes in a couple years 

 

And got Josh ahead over Rivers, Ryan, Eli. JMO

Lamar has 2 MVPs and 3 first team All Pros. That basically gets you in.
 

Of the guys coming up with Josh, I think Josh is firmly behind Mahomes and Lamar. He’s definitely ahead of Burrow (although look for a Burrow MVP award coming this year if they can win their division or even sneak a WC).

 

Why you think Josh has a better HoF resume than Matt Ryan?

 

This list is kind of telling imo.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

[mjt328]

18 hours ago, TheWei44 said:

My only quibble with alot of the above is that they play more games now that in the past, so "first 7 seasons" stats are skewed in favor of current players.  I believe Allen is better than Kelly, but Kelly played fewer games per season (no fault of his own) so he is handicapped vs. Allen.

 

It's not about who is better.

All I'm saying is that at his current pace, Allen will have slam-dunk HOF numbers by the time he reaches the age of 36.  And if he can play a few years beyond that, he's going to totally obliterate the record books.  The media downplays his greatness now, because I don't think many of them have actually done the math. 

 

His current pace will have him at this point in only seven more years (all-time rank in parenthesis):

Total TDs:  524 (#5)

Total YDs:  61,152 (#10)

Pass TDs:  390 (#8)

Pass YDs:  52,868 (#12)

Rush TDs:  130 (#3)

Rush YDs:  8,284 (#44)

 

Regardless of Super Bowls, there isn't a single voter who is going to ignore that kind of resume.

[TheWei44]

55 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

It's not about who is better.

All I'm saying is that at his current pace, Allen will have slam-dunk HOF numbers by the time he reaches the age of 36.  And if he can play a few years beyond that, he's going to totally obliterate the record books.  The media downplays his greatness now, because I don't think many of them have actually done the math. 

 

His current pace will have him at this point in only seven more years (all-time rank in parenthesis):

Total TDs:  524 (#5)

Total YDs:  61,152 (#10)

Pass TDs:  390 (#8)

Pass YDs:  52,868 (#12)

Rush TDs:  130 (#3)

Rush YDs:  8,284 (#44)

 

Regardless of Super Bowls, there isn't a single voter who is going to ignore that kind of resume.

I don't disagree with you at all.  Just pointing out that certain stats tend to favor current players and can be misleading.  Not taking anything away from Josh.  I think if he retired tomorrow, he'd still have an excellent chance of getting into the hall.  If he continues to play at current level for several more years, then it's not even a debate (SB(s) or not).

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Lamar has 2 MVPs and 3 first team All Pros. That basically gets you in.
 

Of the guys coming up with Josh, I think Josh is firmly behind Mahomes and Lamar. He’s definitely ahead of Burrow (although look for a Burrow MVP award coming this year if they can win their division or even sneak a WC).

 

Why you think Josh has a better HoF resume than Matt Ryan?

 

This list is kind of telling imo.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

That's fair.

 

The way I look at- Matt Ryan to me was never a top 3 quarterback in his relative era for many years. (I know he got the mvp the one year)

 

Josh has firmly been a top 3 QB in his relative era for the past 5 seasons now. I know that doesn't mean everything as every era has different competition, but I just never looked at Matt Ryan as an "elite" QB.

 

So I can't really answer your question too well as it's just 100 percent subjective to me. But I clearly think Josh was more of a dominant QB compared to Matty ice IMO