Keon drops 60 in Damar's celebrity basktball gam

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Seriously?  The best programs, much better than OSU, have offered hundreds of scholarships to 6’4 players that can’t shoot.  That’s a guarantee 

That's true and I'm not saying Ohio state is a blue blood 

 

But they only get three and four star and five-star recruits.. even three star recruits are insanely talented nowadays .. maybe not NBA talent but very skilled

 

 shooting in basketball is as much confidence as it is skill.. there's plenty of high school kids who shoot 40% from three in high school come to college and are not even allowed to shoot three-pointers cuz they're hitting 20% in practice.. the speed of the game and becoming an underclassman again changes a lot unless you're a top 10 five star

 

Syracuse brings in plenty of high school kids who shoot 35-40% from three in high school come to Syracuse and the don't get the greenlight  to shoot it because there's a learning curve going to major college with the speed.. and players jump higher so you might have to change the Arc of your shot if it's flat 

 

I don't know how many high school players are shooting 25% on their jump shots and getting college scholarships though... There's guys in the NBA who look like they can't shoot.. but I bet in high school and college their actual shooting percentage not counting dunks or layups was a lot better 

 

And I bet if you see them in practice they make nine out of 10

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[WeckMonster]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

While all of the bolded is true, the claim that the talent is 1000x better than in the NBA's heydays 80s/90s, and by extension, the game is 1000x better is clearly wrong to anyone who watches the game.  The main problem is that almost no one plays in college for 4 years anymore.  Defense is non existent and very soft and the whole game is about 3 point shots.  That's the entire league offensive philosophy.  Teams are chucking upwards of 60+ 3's per game. It's hard to watch.  

I agree today’s game can be super formulaic and boring. But I’ll ask you to trust me that the Defenders are way better than previous eras. Great offense and lame officiating totally skews how you see Defense. And I grew up idolizing guys like Joe Dumars, John Starks, Gary Payton, etc.

 

1. With 3 pt shooting, 5 out, etc, you probably have to guard 25% more space and an extra 2 guys on the perimeter than before. This makes Defenses look worse.

 

2. Fouls are called much more closely now. Guys like Harden and SGA would’ve been all stars but not MVPs if more contact was allowed.

3. 6ft guards and 7ft stiffs used to start on every team. They get hunted off the floor and out of the league now. Pretty much every one is big and fast.

 

4. The pool of 6’6” guys that can move laterally, close out, run like a deer has doubled with globalization.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's true and I'm not saying Ohio state is a blue blood 

 

But they only get three and four star and five-star recruits.. even three star recruits are insanely talented nowadays .. maybe not NBA talent but very skilled

 

 shooting in basketball is as much confidence as it is skill.. there's plenty of high school kids who shoot 40% from three in high school come to college and are not even allowed to shoot three-pointers cuz they're hitting 20% in practice.. the speed of the game and becoming an underclassman again changes a lot unless you're a top 10 five star

 

Syracuse brings in plenty of high school kids who shoot 35-40% from three in high school come to Syracuse and the don't get the greenlight  to shoot it because there's a learning curve going to major college with the speed.. and players jump higher so you might have to change the Arc of your shot if it's flat 

 

I don't know how many high school players are shooting 25% on their jump shots and getting college scholarships though

Nowadays….. we’re talking about 3 decades ago.  Youth ball is on a completely different level in 2024 than it was is 1994.  
 

agree to disagree. Highly unlikely Moss would’ve been a pro imo
 

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Nowadays….. we’re talking about 3 decades ago.  Youth ball is on a completely different level in 2024 than it was is 1994.  
 

agree to disagree. Highly unlikely Moss would’ve been a pro imo
 

 

I again totally understand where you're getting at 

 

I also can totally differentiate between high School level and major level college 

 

There are high school stars who play division 2 basketball even 30 years ago.. to even get a scholarship offer 30 years ago to canisius would still mean you're a tremendous basketball player 

 

Like obviously not at the level UCLA was recruiting.. but I bet you every single kid on that canisius roster 30 years ago would kick everybody's ass in basketball that was not a division one player..  and they could beat some other D1 players on other teams.. 

 

There's level to talent even at division 1.. are the players at Kentucky that much better than  players at canisius? Yes

 

Are the players at canisius super talented and recruited from over the country? Yes

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[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I again totally understand where you're getting at 

 

I also can totally differentiate between high School level and major level college 

 

There are high school stars who play division 2 basketball even 30 years ago.. to even get a scholarship offer 30 years ago to canisius would still mean you're a tremendous basketball player 

 

Like obviously not at the level UCLA was recruiting.. but I bet you every single kid on that canisius roster 30 years ago would kick everybody's ass in basketball that was not a division one player.. intrinsically they're not bad

 

In a practice setting I bet they are almost not missing

I bet Randy Moss was missing jumpers 😉 

[Buffalo716]

If keon Coleman would potentially get hurt playing in this basketball game 

 

And I don't want to put any bad vibes out there.. I'm literally spitballing 

 

There's been a lot of talk about clauses in contracts recently... Say he tore his ACL going up for a dunk with the bills be able to void a part of his contract

 

Seeing he is still on his rookie deal

Edited 17 hours ago by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjWKS6GT/
loved this.  This is part of why I think he’s going to be a success as a Bill.  If he really does get it, like I think he does, it will be a big reason why.  Processing the journey combined with work ethic to overcome and correct 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjWKS6GT/
loved this.  This is part of why I think he’s going to be a success as a Bill.  If he really does get it, like I think he does, it will be a big reason why.  Processing the journey combined with work ethic to overcome and correct 

I can't even watch that because I don't have tick tock! Damn!

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

I totally get if you don’t like the NBA. But to claim they don’t play defense or that the guys from the 90s would beat on these guys is silly.  I doubt anyone who dislikes the NBA actually watches the game close enough to even make those comparisons.  Yes they definitely have changed the game with the amount of 3s they shoot but that doesn’t translate to a lower skillset. 

 

NBA players are no different than any other pro athletes... without exception today's pro athletes are better than they were 10-15 years ago and much better than they were 20-25 years ago.

 

It's obvious.

 

I was recently at an AHL hockey game and these guys were noticeably better than the dynastic Edmonton Oilers and New York Islanders teams that I often saw live before my very eyes during the 1980s.

 

It's inarguable.

 

46 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There is literally only like 3 minutes of clips of him playing basketball though 

 

It's not like there's a 2-hour mixtape... Angel Reese is not even on the same stratosphere as athlete as Randy Moss.. she's a bully power forward

 

I get what you're getting at.. but something tells me Randy Moss's 15 ft jump shot isn't as bad as what is being made out

 

I don't think Ohio state would have given Moss a basketball scholarship if he couldn't shoot a basketball at all.. same with Notre Dame which has stressed fundamental basketball for 30 years

 

The road to the NBA was probably a crazy crazy long long road.. without a doubt a lot longer and harder than his football road

 

Being old, I remember that Randy Moss received scholarship offers from schools that were willing to allow him to play football and basketball. So that probably has something to do with something.

 

25 minutes ago, WeckMonster said:

I agree today’s game can be super formulaic and boring. But I’ll ask you to trust me that the Defenders are way better than previous eras. Great offense and lame officiating totally skews how you see Defense. And I grew up idolizing guys like Joe Dumars, John Starks, Gary Payton, etc.

 

1. With 3 pt shooting, 5 out, etc, you probably have to guard 25% more space and an extra 2 guys on the perimeter than before. This makes Defenses look worse.

 

2. Fouls are called much more closely now. Guys like Harden and SGA would’ve been all stars but not MVPs if more contact was allowed.

3. 6ft guards and 7ft stiffs used to start on every team. They get hunted off the floor and out of the league now. Pretty much every one is big and fast.

 

4. The pool of 6’6” guys that can move laterally, close out, run like a deer has doubled with globalization.

 

100% correct.

 

The argument that NBA players are not as good as they used to be is silly.

 

[NewEra]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjWELb7w/

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I can't even watch that because I don't have tick tock! Damn!

Click a couple buttons on your phone my guy.  

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjWELb7w/

Click a couple buttons on your phone my guy.  

I did.. it opens, I click view in browser.. click the play icon in the middle of the video and it brings me to downloading tiktok lol

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I did.. it opens, I click view in browser.. click the play icon in the middle of the video and it brings me to downloading tiktok lol

You got a summary of what he said? 

[PromoTheRobot]

On 6/16/2025 at 1:24 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm having a hard time visualizing Josh tearing an ACL over a putt.

How about a shoulder tear teeing off?

10 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

NBA players are no different than any other pro athletes... without exception today's pro athletes are better than they were 10-15 years ago and much better than they were 20-25 years ago.

 

It's obvious.

 

I was recently at an AHL hockey game and these guys were noticeably better than the dynastic Edmonton Oilers and New York Islanders teams that I often saw live before my very eyes during the 1980s.

 

It's inarguable.

 

 

Being old, I remember that Randy Moss received scholarship offers from schools that were willing to allow him to play football and basketball. So that probably has something to do with something.

 

 

100% correct.

 

The argument that NBA players are not as good as they used to be is silly.

 

 

But I still can't get into the NBA. Ironically, I love college basketball because it feels more balanced between offense and defense.

[Sierra Foothills]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

You got a summary of what he said? 

 

I watched it last night while falling asleep but I think Keon said he was playing well at the time of his injury but after the injury, the Bills changed up some things on the offense that started working well. He felt that when he returned, he never really synced up with some of the new things they were doing.

 

Others might be able to add a bit more.

 

[Augie]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I can't even watch that because I don't have tick tock! Damn!

 

I’m not on there, but I watched it.  I send IG stuff to people not on it, and tell them they just have to click on the X. You can watch it, but I don’t care much about what Carmelo Anthony has to say about team sports. Keon seems to get it, but time will tell how much actual progress he’s made in his game on the field. I’m optimistic, as usual. 

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, WeckMonster said:

I agree today’s game can be super formulaic and boring. But I’ll ask you to trust me that the Defenders are way better than previous eras. Great offense and lame officiating totally skews how you see Defense. And I grew up idolizing guys like Joe Dumars, John Starks, Gary Payton, etc.

 

1. With 3 pt shooting, 5 out, etc, you probably have to guard 25% more space and an extra 2 guys on the perimeter than before. This makes Defenses look worse.

 

2. Fouls are called much more closely now. Guys like Harden and SGA would’ve been all stars but not MVPs if more contact was allowed.

3. 6ft guards and 7ft stiffs used to start on every team. They get hunted off the floor and out of the league now. Pretty much every one is big and fast.

 

4. The pool of 6’6” guys that can move laterally, close out, run like a deer has doubled with globalization.

 

12 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

The argument that NBA players are not as good as they used to be is silly.

 

 

Top players probably as good.  top to bottom on the roster, I disagree. The 2 big stars in the Finals are Halleburton and SG-A. 

 

The league is never again going to see 2 teams facing off for the championship with a combined 6 HOFers (Celtics/Lakers)  on the court or 4 on the same team at once (mid 90's Bulls). 

[NewEra]

42 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Top players probably as good.  top to bottom on the roster, I disagree. The 2 big stars in the Finals are Halleburton and SG-A. 

 

The league is never again going to see 2 teams facing off for the championship with a combined 6 HOFers (Celtics/Lakers)  on the court or 4 on the same team at once (mid 90's Bulls). 

You’re not talking about talent top to bottom-  you’re talking about the top.  Not the bottom.  You’re likely talking about basketball fundamentals, not skill and athleticism.  The fundamentals have changed as rules have changed and the 3pt shot has evolved and has changed the way teams have to defend.  It’s a different game.   
 

pretty much every finals from 2010-2017 had 6 HoFers.  Maybe a couple had 5.  None had less than 5. The 2017 warriors had 4 in their starting lineup.  
 

the salary cap was introduced in 84 iirc.  That was another reason those lakers and Celtics teams had such great rivalries.  
 

I’m very confidant that the finals will again include 6 HoFers.  

 

 

 

[Augie]

16 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

NBA players are no different than any other pro athletes... without exception today's pro athletes are better than they were 10-15 years ago and much better than they were 20-25 years ago.

 

It's obvious.

 

I was recently at an AHL hockey game and these guys were noticeably better than the dynastic Edmonton Oilers and New York Islanders teams that I often saw live before my very eyes during the 1980s.

 

It's inarguable.

 

 

Being old, I remember that Randy Moss received scholarship offers from schools that were willing to allow him to play football and basketball. So that probably has something to do with something.

 

 

100% correct.

 

The argument that NBA players are not as good as they used to be is silly.

 

 

The NBA is “different” now. With an 82 game season and the huge dollars involved, these guys aren’t giving 100% until the playoffs or some rivalry game.

 

They could play defense on a Tuesday night in Charlotte, but from our experience that would be too much to ask for. We took our kids to a Hornets game (among many others) in return for good behavior during boring things a kid would not appreciate when we traveled, like visiting our friends. It turns out the NBA game was also boring. Just a few minutes in my scrappy little AAU point guard turned to me and said “they’re not even trying!” Yep, last game I’ve attended and one of the last games I even watched, and this goes back a couple decades. 

 

If they cut the season in half, which will obviously never happen, maybe they could be bothered to give a bit more effort during the regular season.  But there is zero doubt in my mind that in general today’s athletes are clearly superior specimens. 

 

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Edited 25 minutes ago by Augie