Are Fan Expectations Too High for Keon Coleman?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah @Ed_Formerly_of_Roch is very wrong saying that "everyone" wanted to dump Spencer Brown.    There was a vocal minority and if you over-value TSW takes just because they were started by moderators then perhaps you might think that way about Brown.    

 

The big difference is that RT isn't a premium position.   You can always cover your RT up with a TE or slide protections or a quick passing game.   Teams reach SB's with terrible RT's.   It happens.   

 

Much less likely to reach a SB without a couple excellent receiving threats.    Coleman entered the NFL raw and inexperienced with great athletic upside much like Brown but the stakes are higher with a 33rd overall pick at a premium position like WR than they are with a late 3rd round RT.

 

And there's a vocal minority that wants to write off Coleman too, or maybe it's a majority.  The point of my post is that whether you're the 1st overall pick or the 256 pick, people here think they know much more than they do. And regardless of if you're the long snapper or the QB, again posters here for the most part know very little compared to people who do this for a living and are quick to jump on someone as a bust or the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Dillenger4]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

I don’t agree, but the bottom line is that fan expectations of Keon are so high because the FO made them so high. 
 

If Keon was just another second round pick after 1 or 2 OTHER WRs, the expectations of him would be rotational player to starter.

 

Instead, Beane and co basically made him the only true egg in the basket. And that means that fans are not just going to expect a solid or okay player, but at least a very good or great player.

The FO did what? Beane and co did whattttt???

 

He was the first pick in the second round. That's a high pick in a draft! He should be expected to play up to his value, which is a high pick. I do expect Keon to have a stellar year this season as EXPECTED. 800 yards minimum, 6 to 8 TD's, and some big catches at times when we need them.

[Ya Digg?]

On 6/15/2025 at 2:57 PM, stevestojan said:

This is his year to put up or literally shut up. 

Back off the caffeine, this is really going overboard 

[BADOLBILZ]

44 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

And there's a vocal minority that wants to write off Coleman too, or maybe it's a majority.  The point of my post is that whether you're the 1st overall pick or the 256 pick, people here think they know much more than they do. And regardless of if you're the long snapper or the QB, again posters here for the most part know very little compared to people who do this for a living and are quick to jump on someone as a bust or the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

There are a number of people who "do this" or have done this for a living that don't believe in Coleman.   Some of them are literally why he was on the board at #33.   It's not just the "posters here".    Their professional opinions don't mean that much either.   Half of first round picks fail to even warrant a 5th year extension.   So the pro's aren't exactly nailing it.    Your scope is very limited if you don't realize these facts.   And perhaps that's why you are so outraged.   Just because you don't think you can be as informed as a professional doesn't mean you shouldn't learn how the systems work, at the very least.

 

 

  

[Augie]

 

I’m going with 765 yards and 7 TD’s. 

[3rdand12]

13 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m going with 765 yards and 7 TD’s. 

well , someone might as well begin a poll. With prizes. Or not.

but we should get a poll going 🙂

700 9td

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

well , someone might as well begin a poll. With prizes. Or not.

but we should get a poll going 🙂

700 9td

 

I was honestly just kidding and trying to get things back on track.  

 

I’ll wait and see on his numbers. It could go either way. 

 

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Edited 5 hours ago by Augie

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Simon was not wrong though.

 

When he posted those things, Spencer was struggling. Mightily. 
 

It’s not like made a proclamation that he would never be good. I think that was me, actually. Because the turnaround Spencer took - to go from as bad as he was to as good as he is - is almost unheard of. It’s extremely rare and not to be expected regularly.

It was always about the back injury wasn't it ?

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Simon was not wrong though.

 

When he posted those things, Spencer was struggling. Mightily. 
 

It’s not like made a proclamation that he would never be good. I think that was me, actually. Because the turnaround Spencer took - to go from as bad as he was to as good as he is - is almost unheard of. It’s extremely rare and not to be expected regularly.

 

 

Just because you agreed and have been saddled with an L now doesn't make him not wrong.   Whether Brown was the biggest problem with the Bills offense was ENTIRELY an opinion.   One that zealots ran with, in part because of who posted it.  

 

It was a premature b!tch about a talented player who had been learning on the job and dealing with injuries without using the trajectory of other young RT's as context.  

 

Or the context that RT's that are struggling are pretty easy to compensate for.   It's literal fact that you can get to SB's with guys like Max Lane or Mike Remmers.   You can lead the league in rushing and big plays with a guy like Jordan Mills.    I could list bad RT's on good offense's for days.   

 

Lane and Remmers might cost you the game with Reggie White or Von Miller lined up across from them in a SB.........or maybe you win a couple SB's in spite of an Andrew Wylie at RT.    But it's a VERY navigable problem when not facing the best of the best.    If that's really your biggest problem you ain't got much to complain about.  

 

And at that time,  the Bills had CLEARLY other issues on offense.  

[Buffalo716]

21 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Simon was not wrong though.

 

When he posted those things, Spencer was struggling. Mightily. 
 

It’s not like made a proclamation that he would never be good. I think that was me, actually. Because the turnaround Spencer took - to go from as bad as he was to as good as he is - is almost unheard of. It’s extremely rare and not to be expected regularly.

Spencer Brown was never as bad as what some people made out to be 

 

Maybe his first couple starts ever 

 

His arrow was pointing very high up for so long that before the last season I literally called him a future All pro breakout player .. he's consistently been improving throughout his career

 

And I wasn't talking out of my butt I saw him the last 16 months turning a page and he is absolutely going to be one of the best 3 right tackles .. probably already between 3-5

 

Even in the 2023 season all the signs were there

 

Tackles don't even peek til 28 29 30 years old.. Dion Dawkins is still improving at 30

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

It was always about the back injury wasn't it ?

 

I think there was natural growth and learning as well, but yeah, I thought it was the back that just wouldn’t let him go. Back pain can be terrible stuff!  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Spencer Brown was never as bad as what some people made out to be 

 

Maybe his first couple starts ever 

 

His arrow was pointing very high up for so long that before the last season I literally called him a future All pro breakout player .. he's consistently been improving throughout his career

 

And I wasn't talking out of my butt I saw him the last 16 months turning a page and he is absolutely going to be one of the best 3 right tackles .. probably already between 3-5

 

Even in the 2023 season all the signs were there

 

 

There are always going to be some zealots on here who make ridiculously broad claims like @Ed_Formerly_of_Roch did about everyone wanting to run Brown out of town.    

 

I saw another guy who posts about 10x per day here recently claim that everyone "had it in" for Kincaid when he was drafted.

 

 These are NOT true statements.    They are nonsensical hyperbole or, in most cases, just outright lies by people who can't handle criticism.  

 

As for @Einstein claim about it being very rare for a RT to make huge improvement............I totally disagree with that.    Most RT's don't have LT feet.   They gotta' learn to work with what they have.   Lot's of them struggle early and become much better.   

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Spencer Brown was never as bad as what some people made out to be 

 

Maybe his first couple starts ever 

 

His arrow was pointing very high up for so long that before the last season I literally called him a future All pro breakout player .. he's consistently been improving throughout his career

 

And I wasn't talking out of my butt I saw him the last 16 months turning a page and he is absolutely going to be one of the best 3 right tackles .. probably already between 3-5

 

Even in the 2023 season all the signs were there

 

Tackles don't even peek til 28 29 30 years old.. Dion Dawkins is still improving at 30

Oh no question his raw ability  and now I just think he's a monster !

 Glad Bills stuck with him

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think there was natural growth and learning as well, but yeah, I thought it was the back that just wouldn’t let him go. Back pain can be terrible stuff!  

It was my fear . Big guys and Back issues and NFL football are a concerning venture

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Oh no question his raw ability  and now I just think he's a monster !

 Glad Bills stuck with him

It was my fear . Big guys and Back issues and NFL football are a concerning venture

Absolutely one of the times were patience was needed and the bills reap rewards 

 

He's like Goliath out there with his height and tenacity! I wouldn't want to get him angry

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Spencer Brown was never as bad as what some people made out to be 

 

Maybe his first couple starts ever 

 

His arrow was pointing very high up for so long that before the last season I literally called him a future All pro breakout player .. he's consistently been improving throughout his career

 

Give me a break - he was AWFUL. 

Literally the worst RT in the league both his first year and a half. Brutal, terrible, awful - all great words to describe him for his first year and a half.

 

The tweet below is just one of a bazillion bad plays of his from this time period.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Give me a break - he was AWFUL. 

Literally the worst RT in the league both his first year and a half. Brutal, terrible, awful - all great words to describe him for his first year and a half.

 

The tweet below is just one of a bazillion bad plays of his from this time period.

 

 

He was a raw offensive lineman coming off of back injuries 

 

Plenty of good offensive lineman take 2-3 years to develop .. plenty 

 

The fact you're talking about literally possibly his first 10 15 20 starts of course he had a lot to acclimate to 

 

He had bad raps, but when he had good reps his reps were very good 

 

Sorry bro he's always been improving on a week-to-week basis basically over his entire career.. and had a bad back injury that he had to work through 

 

But plenty of linemen take two or three years to develop so I don't care what he looked like in his 10th start

 

 because when he had good reps he dominated.. he had a lot to adjust to and grow which is why the bills gave him 3 years to do that

 

Like if he was a complete player he would have went top 15.. he needed time to grow the bills gave it to him and now he is one of the best 

 

But I saw that a long time ago

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

 

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

As for @Einstein claim about it being very rare for a RT to make huge improvement............I totally disagree with that.    Most RT's don't have LT feet.   They gotta' learn to work with what they have.   Lot's of them struggle early and become much better.   

It's bot unusual for a RT to improve. 

It IS unusual for a RT to go from the worst in the league to one of the best int he league.

Spencer Brown didn't just improve - he did a complete 180. 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

It was my fear . Big guys and Back issues and NFL football are a concerning venture

 

And sometimes feet, but that’s more in the NBA. They lost a lot of big guys to chronic foot injuries. 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

It's bot unusual for a RT to improve. 

It IS unusual for a RT to go from the worst in the league to one of the best int he league.

Spencer Brown didn't just improve - he did a complete 180. 

Dude he was not one of the worst in the league.. he was good enough to start on a playoff team 

 

There's plenty of right tackles who are second and third stringers who couldn't even hold a jock to Spencer Brown three years ago.. yeah he was not a great starter 3 years ago, but he still showed a lot of promise when he dominated reps

 

He had reps he dominated

 

Lane Johnson wasn't amazing his rookie year.. struggled pass blocking for a few.. it took him a while to put it all together and he was a Top pick

 

So I guess that means Lane Johnson was also terrible using your metric gave up like 10 sacks 

Edited 2 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dude he was not one of the worst in the league.. he was good enough to start on a playoff team 

 

Correct - he was not one of the worst, he was THE worst.