RB and WR markets are actually insane.

[ganesh]

12 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I guess I agree with you about Singletary, but the mere fact that people good disagree about Devin freaking Singletary shows why it's foolish to overpay for a running back.  Singletary may be close and misses the cut, but there are a lot of running backs who are better than Singletary.  To use a phrase that got me in trouble when talking about receivers, good (not Hall-of-Fame good but good) running backs are a dime a dozen, not $180 million (which is a dozen running backs at $15 million apiece.)

Dobbins contract with the Broncos is for $2.75M

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 6/13/2025 at 6:33 PM, MJS said:

Don't pay either of them. Time for Ray Davis to step up. I don't like paying running backs unless they are one of the handful of elite ones that you would really be foolish to let leave. James Cook isn't one of those guys. He is a tier below. The fact that there is a huge contingent of the fanbase that believes that PROVES he isn't one of those guys. Otherwise, we'd all be clamoring to keep him.

They really should’ve took the money they gave WR Palmer and just gave it to Cook. I’m not a fan of paying RBs either, but Buffalo is in “win now” mode. I don’t want to waste another Josh Allen prime year by starting a player like Ray Davis who MIGHT be a suitable replacement. The Bills need to go into 2025 with every possible weapon at their disposal. A 1000+ yard/18 TD RB is not as easy of a replacement as some people think. If we were a rebuilding team then I would be all for letting Cook walk. 

[BullBuchanan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Moss class was a shallow RB class with some high end guys but not much depth (another problem with spending a high value asset on him). But the Singletary class there are guys after him who have had some production in the league: Damien Harris, Justice Hill, Tony Pollard, Myles Gaskin our own "best 3rd down back in football" Ty Johnson. And then the next two drafts after the Moss draft... Khalil Herbert, Kenneth Gainwell, Chuba Hubbard, Rhamondre Stevenson, Isiah Pacheco, Kyren Williams, Dameon Pierce, Tyler Allgeier etc.... 

 

If you are spending a day 2 pick on a guy you better be getting me a guy who is a cut above that company. And Singletary and Moss were not and never had the skillsets to be.

Did you read what you just wrote or what I wrote?

Singletary is MILES above guys like Damien Harris (out of football), Justice Hill, and Myles Gaskin(13 carries in the last 3 years). Which one of those guys would you have preferred?

In 2020 when the bills drafted Moss, you could have had your pick of:

Darrynton Evans

Joshua Kelley

Lamical Perine

Anthony McFarland

DeeJay Dallas

Jason HuntleyLions

Eno BenjaminCardinals

Raymond Calais

Which one of those guys did you want? Moss has had a better career than any of them, and it's not close. For a guy that spends as much time analyzing the draft as you do, it's odd to me how unaware you are of the value of 3rd round plus RBs

 

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

If you are spending a day 2 pick on a guy you better be getting me a guy who is a cut above that company. And Singletary and Moss were not and never had the skillsets to be.

No team has reliably done that in the last decade. Why would you expect Beane to reliably hit on a  10% (or less) chance?

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

They really should’ve took the money they gave WR Palmer and just gave it to Cook. I’m not a fan of paying RBs either, but Buffalo is in “win now” mode. I don’t want to waste another Josh Allen prime year by starting a player like Ray Davis who MIGHT be a suitable replacement. The Bills need to go into 2025 with every possible weapon at their disposal. A 1000+ yard/18 TD RB is not as easy of a replacement as some people think. If we were a rebuilding team then I would be all for letting Cook walk. 

How does paying a guy already on your roster a big raise help you "win now"? I like Palmer, but I think they grossly overpaid for him. Still, he adds value that wasn't here before. Does James Cook? Maybe they think having a Saquon/Henry type makes more sense than having a Cook type back. 

Edited 7 hours ago by BullBuchanan

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Did you read what you just wrote or what I wrote?

Singletary is MILES above guys like Damien Harris (out of football), Justice Hill, and Myles Gaskin(13 carries in the last 3 years). Which one of those guys would you have preferred?

In 2020 when the bills drafted Moss, you could have had your pick of:

Darrynton Evans

Joshua Kelley

Lamical Perine

Anthony McFarland

DeeJay Dallas

Jason HuntleyLions

Eno BenjaminCardinals

Raymond Calais

Which one of those guys did you want? Moss has had a better career than any of them, and it's not close. For a guy that spends as much time analyzing the draft as you do, it's odd to me how unaware you are of the value of 3rd round plus RBs

 

I didn't want any of the guys around or after Moss in that class. That is my point. Singletary is better than those other guys but not in a decisive way. He has had three starting jobs in the NFL now and lost three starting jobs. Sure Harris is out of the league (because of health reasons) and Justice Hill is more of a 3rd down back than a start but the value above replacement of Singletary against those guys is not high. If you are spending a 3rd round pick on such a low value position I would want better.... and even your own link shows there are better guys in the last decade that have been picked in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds. 

Edited 5 hours ago by GunnerBill

[machine gun kelly]

So from the OP, WR salaries have gone up, and RB salaries have gone down.  There is no question that’s true, but it’s like saying water is wet,  and the pope is Catholic.  This has been an evolving trend for quite sometime.  They get paid what the market reflects.

 

I don’t fault RB’s who are trying to earn their best compensation, nor WR’s taking advantage of the salary burst.  They have limited job opportunities, and the smart ones manage their $ well, they can bankroll enough to then start their real careers as they have another 25-30 years like the rest of us.

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't want any of the guys around or after Moss in that class. That is my point. Singletary is better than those other guys but not in a decisive way. He has had three starting jobs in the NFL now and lost three starting jobs. Sure Harris is out of the league (because of health reasons) and Justice Hill is more of a 3rd down back than a start but the value above replacement of Singletary against those guys is not high. If you are spending a 3rd round pick on such a low value position I would want better.... and even your own link shows there are better guys in the last decade that have been picked in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds. 

"I would want better" doesn't sound like the same thing as "a fireable offence."

 

Could they have done better than Motor and Moss?  Sure.  Much better?  Probably not.  Not fireable better.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

"I would want better" doesn't sound like the same thing as "a fireable offence."

 

Could they have done better than Motor and Moss?  Sure.  Much better?  Probably not.  Not fireable better.  

 

Ah I didn't say they should be fired for the picks. Don't misquote me. I thought both were overdrafted by a round or so but they were not fireable picks.

 

I said if they knew they were going to get what they got from those two guys and still spent day 2 picks on them they should be fired. Because running backs who can put up between 600 and 800 yards are not a commodity you want to be spending day two picks on.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

How does paying a guy already on your roster a big raise help you "win now"? I like Palmer, but I think they grossly overpaid for him. Still, he adds value that wasn't here before. Does James Cook? Maybe they think having a Saquon/Henry type makes more sense than having a Cook type back. 

You get to retain said player on roster when original contract is over. 

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ah I didn't say they should be fired for the picks. Don't misquote me. I thought both were overdrafted by a round or so but they were not fireable picks.

 

I said if they knew they were going to get what they got from those two guys and still spent day 2 picks on them they should be fired. Because running backs who can put up between 600 and 800 yards are not a commodity you want to be spending day two picks on.

And as I said, I think they knew exactly what they were getting. They got two guys who are still in the NFL and who have produced more yards than most of the running backs drafted in their draft class. They got what they expected and I don't think it was any place close to a fireable offense.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

And as I said, I think they knew exactly what they were getting. They got two guys who are still in the NFL and who have produced more yards than most of the running backs drafted in their draft class. They got what they expected and I don't think it was any place close to a fireable offense.

 

I think they hoped for legit starters. And got that with neither.